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[fatmansfriend]

18's.
Warners - they will be at full strength. Cardiff have to rest some of their 18's for 1's.

Magoos
City - City have talls and experience. They play footy in a good manor and show tremendous courage at the ball and a good fighting spirit.

1st grade.
City - will go down to the wire. Cardiff play from the half back line and a few of their payers are to posession hungry. Flynn and Ryan need to be matched up well on I think Wheeler would do a good job on either on them as he has good strength and strong hands. I feel sorry for the bloke who gets stuck on Flynny cos he has as much personality as kangaroo crushed by a truck laying dead on the road.

Just on the league I think the Card system is a waste of time. I think marching teams to the goal square hurts more than 15 minutes on the sideline.

 

[pie_eater101]

Lets get some numbers to no.1 this saturday, 18's is at 9.30, ressies at 12 and 1sts at 2.30.

with any luck the weather will be fine so we can see some real good quality footy.

 

[Coach Potato]

18's.
Warners - they will be at full strength. Cardiff have to rest some of their 18's for 1's.

Magoos
City - City have talls and experience. They play footy in a good manor and show tremendous courage at the ball and a good fighting spirit.

1st grade.
City - will go down to the wire. Cardiff play from the half back line and a few of their payers are to posession hungry. Flynn and Ryan need to be matched up well on I think Wheeler would do a good job on either on them as he has good strength and strong hands. I feel sorry for the bloke who gets stuck on Flynny cos he has as much personality as kangaroo crushed by a truck laying dead on the road.

Just on the league I think the Card system is a waste of time. I think marching teams to the goal square hurts more than 15 minutes on the sideline.

FMF

Agree that depending on the severity of the incident a penalty in the goal square is sufficient. Saw it happen twice in a row against Terrigal when the Van Dam boys lost the plot in the opening quarter.

 

[tigersden_08]

FMF

Agree that depending on the severity of the incident a penalty in the goal square is sufficient. Saw it happen twice in a row against Terrigal when the Van Dam boys lost the plot in the opening quarter.

Hi everyone and especially to all you tigers players out their who constantly read this thread.

I was the lucky fella to get a kick that day thanks to those Vandam boys and I am lucky cos I dont get many.

I totally agree with the kick straight to the goal square, think its should happen to with a reported incident. I happened to discuss this issue with a young umpire who has umpired more than a dozen first grade games and he is still unsure on how thr systems is suppose to work. Next year the league should be trying to set up a Solid tribunal system that is neutral and supports our league. Players should be rubbed out for Unsportsman like behaviour not sent to a bench for 15 minutes to reflect on what a bad boy they have been and come back and do it again 1 week later also I think clubs would suffer more for poor behaviour if the player was rubbed out for 2 weeks rather than 15 minutes.

 

[Mr Martini]

Interesting to note the lack of attendance from the "top two" clubs on Saturday

Surely not giving their opposition enough respect

Undoubtly there will be a vast majority from the bay eager to get a look at the tactics and matchups this saturday

Because the moment you look too far ahead you never quite see whats coming up from behind

I think we know what happened last year when clubs took their place in the finals for granted


Those are my thoughts

Cheers
Mr Martini

 

[The Whisper05]

Interesting to note the lack of attendance from the "top two" clubs on Saturday

Surely not giving their opposition enough respect

Undoubtly there will be a vast majority from the bay eager to get a look at the tactics and matchups this saturday

Because the moment you look too far ahead you never quite see whats coming up from behind

I think we know what happened last year when clubs took their place in the finals for granted

Those are my thoughts
Cheers
Mr Martini

The 'two top" clubs would need a new sponsor to get their 3 teams into watch with the ridiculous entry prices.

But the again the BDAFL would prefer 30 paying spectators than 2000 non paying ones spending up big at the bar and canteen........mmmm, Board struggling for common sense.......again

 

[HeavyPop]

Will the games be on regardless of weather?

 

[Harry Dixon]

The 'two top" clubs would need a new sponsor to get their 3 teams into watch with the ridiculous entry prices.

But the again the BDAFL would prefer 30 paying spectators than 2000 non paying ones spending up big at the bar and canteen........mmmm, Board struggling for common sense.......again

Just jump the fence! I know I will this week.

 

[NATUEREISAMOTHER]

Hi everyone and especially to all you tigers players out their who constantly read this thread.

I was the lucky fella to get a kick that day thanks to those Vandam boys and I am lucky cos I dont get many.

I totally agree with the kick straight to the goal square, think its should happen to with a reported incident. I happened to discuss this issue with a young umpire who has umpired more than a dozen first grade games and he is still unsure on how thr systems is suppose to work. Next year the league should be trying to set up a Solid tribunal system that is neutral and supports our league. Players should be rubbed out for Unsportsman like behaviour not sent to a bench for 15 minutes to reflect on what a bad boy they have been and come back and do it again 1 week later also I think clubs would suffer more for poor behaviour if the player was rubbed out for 2 weeks rather than 15 minutes.

Just my opinoin! But you could be opening up a Can of worms here
Lets just take a minute here and reflect on a certain report this year where a player was reported but found not guilty a couple of weeks later ! how would that look if oppsition was to get a free shot on goal and and his team lost by a goal ! (jsut an example!!!!!)
Umpires in MOST Cases make the correct decision and send RED CARD player for the rest of the game for unsportsman like behaviour, yellow card (15 mins) them for other incidents such as language etc. A lot of goals can be scored in 15 minutes or the rest of the game when you are one man down.
Once again it would be the umpires interpritation of what is deemed a red or yellow cardable offence so lets just leave that with them to decide on the day.
Our great game does not need many more radical changes.

I agree that there should be a Solid Independant Tribunal



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If your feeling good , Dont worry You'll get over it !

 

[MerkSaysWhat]

Just my opinoin! But you could be opening up a Can of worms here
Lets just take a minute here and reflect on a certain report this year where a player was reported but found not guilty a couple of weeks later ! how would that look if oppsition was to get a free shot on goal and and his team lost by a goal ! (jsut an example!!!!!)


Reflecting on that report makes me sick - The incident happened about 10 metres in front of the crowd and was obvious to everyone. This was not a push or a knock it was a clenched fist punch to the mid riff. The umpire, must have lost his memory after so long getting it to the judiciary.

I hope Cutler, Newburn and Crotty can convince the tribunal all 3 are from Cardiff. It might be their best defense. We'll see how these boys fair with their minor charges.

 

[Harry Dixon]

I think we know what happened last year when clubs took their place in the finals for granted

I hope Cutler, Newburn and Crotty can convince the tribunal all 3 are from Cardiff. It might be their best defense. We'll see how these boys fair with their minor charges.

You might even say that these blokes took their place in finals footy for granted if they were going out on the field swinging punches.

Whether the last bloke got off too lightly should have no bearing on what they cop as a penalty. You can't expect the tribunal to make up for bad decisions by making more bad decisions.... that would just spiral out of control.

 

[tigersden_08]

Just my opinoin! But you could be opening up a Can of worms here
Lets just take a minute here and reflect on a certain report this year where a player was reported but found not guilty a couple of weeks later ! how would that look if oppsition was to get a free shot on goal and and his team lost by a goal ! (jsut an example!!!!!)
Umpires in MOST Cases make the correct decision and send RED CARD player for the rest of the game for unsportsman like behaviour, yellow card (15 mins) them for other incidents such as language etc. A lot of goals can be scored in 15 minutes or the rest of the game when you are one man down.
Once again it would be the umpires interpritation of what is deemed a red or yellow cardable offence so lets just leave that with them to decide on the day.
Our great game does not need many more radical changes.

I agree that there should be a Solid Independant Tribunal



REMEMBER
If your feeling good , Dont worry You'll get over it !

The Card system is a radical change mate. You have to understand these young umpires who may witness those sort of incidents dont have the nerve and are intimidated to send these players off and they dont understand the card system.
Killarney couldn't kick 2 goals in 15 minutes against 16 men on saturday, and it wouldn't help our game if it was Cardiff vs Crows.
The card game system thrown out with a tribunal system brought in would support the league and make it stronger.

Swearing at and umpire in sydney isn't a reportable offence its 50 metres. if they kep going its to the goal square.

 

[TheApeofDeath]

shut up Harry Dickman no one likes you

 

[KB united]

Interesting to note the lack of attendance from the "top two" clubs on Saturday

Surely not giving their opposition enough respect

Undoubtly there will be a vast majority from the bay eager to get a look at the tactics and matchups this saturday

Because the moment you look too far ahead you never quite see whats coming up from behind

I think we know what happened last year when clubs took their place in the finals for granted


Those are my thoughts

Cheers
Mr Martini

Did you ever consider that the top 2 teams were doing what got them there in the first place? ie. they were training hard on Saturday - at least i know Cardiff were

 

[Harry Dixon]

shut up Harry Dickman no one likes you

"TheApeofDeath" eh?

With a name like that you would have to be one of the warners bay players wives / girlfriends?

 

[NATUEREISAMOTHER]

The Card system is a radical change mate. You have to understand these young umpires who may witness those sort of incidents dont have the nerve and are intimidated to send these players off and they dont understand the card system.
Killarney couldn't kick 2 goals in 15 minutes against 16 men on saturday, and it wouldn't help our game if it was Cardiff vs Crows.
The card game system thrown out with a tribunal system brought in would support the league and make it stronger.

Swearing at and umpire in sydney isn't a reportable offence its 50 metres. if they kep going its to the goal square.

Ive been playing this great game for over 20 years (senior footy) in three different States, and seen a lot of different rule changes over the years and rule interpretations.
I'll have to agree to disagree I'm afraid . How would you expect the testemony of one of these "young" umpires to hold up at our Kangaroo tribunal system if they dont understand the card system and the way it should be used.

So let me get this ! you are saying throw out the card system , and just report players after an incident and allow them to keep playing, as they do in the AFL. I think you will find that this system was introduced to get rid of the thuggery that Can surface in country footy, a player reported for this behavior should not be allowed to continue playing doing it untill the next available tribunal can conveine , as was my point last time (nearly three weeks) and then getting off scott free !

Its why we have a card system they recieve a card ,get reported , and sent from the field , Then they have to front the tribunal.
If you have a better idea I am sure that all AFL leagues would love to hear it.

As for Killarney not scoring that was only due to a fantastic effort by the doggies back line ,and on ballers that stopped the flow to KV forwards.

Build a sytem that even a fool can use, And only a fool will use it !

 

[Super0703]

Rightio attacking players partners is taking thing to far! I don't know who you are Harry Dixon but if you say you come from City start acting like it! Now and then some of the stuff you say is funny but your last post was too far. I'm from City and if Harry is from City may I just say sorry for anyone who has taken offence by this comment. And Harry I await your smart ar$e reply. Pull your head in!

 

[Usingtheforce]

Ive been playing this great game for over 20 years (senior footy) in three different States, and seen a lot of different rule changes over the years and rule interpretations.
I'll have to agree to disagree I'm afraid . How would you expect the testemony of one of these "young" umpires to hold up at our Kangaroo tribunal system if they dont understand the card system and the way it should be used.

So let me get this ! you are saying throw out the card system , and just report players after an incident and allow them to keep playing, as they do in the AFL. I think you will find that this system was introduced to get rid of the thuggery that Can surface in country footy, a player reported for this behavior should not be allowed to continue playing doing it untill the next available tribunal can conveine , as was my point last time (nearly three weeks) and then getting off scott free !

Its why we have a card system they recieve a card ,get reported , and sent from the field , Then they have to front the tribunal.
If you have a better idea I am sure that all AFL leagues would love to hear it.

As for Killarney not scoring that was only due to a fantastic effort by the doggies back line ,and on ballers that stopped the flow to KV forwards.

Build a system that even a fool can use, And only a fool will use it !

Hey Nature, I read your post on opening the can of worms. Yes would make for an interesting problem but maybe look at it this way. Currently a Red or yellow card sends a player from the field for a time span being 15 mins or all game. We rely on the umpire making the correct decision and like you i think they do in these cases as this area is the most serious and isnt taken lightly to send someone from the field. The decision should have been correct. The fact that the player or club exercises their rights and appeals the decision and gets off either on evidence or technicality should be irrelevent because the decision made at the time in the game should be considered correct, or you could say that about every incorrect decision or 50m. I think the penality of line up goal line for a yellow and line up twice on goal line for a red card may make them serious think twice of their actions.
Tighten up what gives a certain coloured card. I think a red card should never be given for accidental contact unless it draws blood or the opposition player has to leave the field of play assisted. These 2 exceptions would show the players and club that there is a serious need to re-train a skill that caused it. All intentional stikes no matter where they are should be a red card and 2 goalline line ups. Another one i think the AFL should bring in is the so called jumper punch. A martial artist or a boxer who know how to use their hands can do a fair bit of damage and use the jumper punch senario to hide it where you can now get reported for an attempted strike. Attempted means it didnt connect yet jumper punches do. Yellow cards should be for accidents or warning. My thoughts anyone else care to give theirs?

 

[tigersden_08]

Ive been playing this great game for over 20 years (senior footy) in three different States, and seen a lot of different rule changes over the years and rule interpretations.
I'll have to agree to disagree I'm afraid . How would you expect the testemony of one of these "young" umpires to hold up at our Kangaroo tribunal system if they dont understand the card system and the way it should be used.

So let me get this ! you are saying throw out the card system , and just report players after an incident and allow them to keep playing, as they do in the AFL. I think you will find that this system was introduced to get rid of the thuggery that Can surface in country footy, a player reported for this behavior should not be allowed to continue playing doing it untill the next available tribunal can conveine , as was my point last time (nearly three weeks) and then getting off scott free !

Its why we have a card system they recieve a card ,get reported , and sent from the field , Then they have to front the tribunal.
If you have a better idea I am sure that all AFL leagues would love to hear it.

As for Killarney not scoring that was only due to a fantastic effort by the doggies back line ,and on ballers that stopped the flow to KV forwards.

Build a sytem that even a fool can use, And only a fool will use it !

I respect what your saying, and yeh we will agree to disagree.

But mate they aint getting reported. They only get reported for abusing the umpire, not striking, charging, fighting etc they may get a card every now and then. So nothing is really being done. You talk about the Mick Ryan incident earlier in your posts he was neither, Sent off or suspended.
Their has been more cases of this throughout the year mate.

Your basically saying, in our league, if you get a card u get sent off for the required to, pending on the card, then you can cme back next week and do it again & again & again. Week After week.

 

[fatmansfriend]

Hey Nature, I read your post on opening the can of worms. Yes would make for an interesting problem but maybe look at it this way. Currently a Red or yellow card sends a player from the field for a time span being 15 mins or all game. We rely on the umpire making the correct decision and like you i think they do in these cases as this area is the most serious and isnt taken lightly to send someone from the field. The decision should have been correct. The fact that the player or club exercises their rights and appeals the decision and gets off either on evidence or technicality should be irrelevent because the decision made at the time in the game should be considered correct, or you could say that about every incorrect decision or 50m. I think the penality of line up goal line for a yellow and line up twice on goal line for a red card may make them serious think twice of their actions.
Tighten up what gives a certain coloured card. I think a red card should never be given for accidental contact unless it draws blood or the opposition player has to leave the field of play assisted. These 2 exceptions would show the players and club that there is a serious need to re-train a skill that caused it. All intentional stikes no matter where they are should be a red card and 2 goalline line ups. Another one i think the AFL should bring in is the so called jumper punch. A martial artist or a boxer who know how to use their hands can do a fair bit of damage and use the jumper punch senario to hide it where you can now get reported for an attempted strike. Attempted means it didnt connect yet jumper punches do. Yellow cards should be for accidents or warning. My thoughts anyone else care to give theirs?

I think what UTF and tigersden are trying to say is putting points on the board hurts more. I agree with Tigersden and say that the card system is a joke and needs to be thrown out, the umpires only use it when they get abused and thats all they want to focus on. Report em if its nasty and take them 50 metres or to the goal square build a solid system get them out of the game for a couple of weeks, then they will really miss footy.

 

[Cooky_Monster]

UTF, why should someone be yellow carded and reported for an accident. They're called accidents because they are just that. Unintentional occurrences shouldn't be punished. Perhaps if the player created the situation leading to the accident a free kick/50, but the game is touchy enough as it is without bringing in more rules to do with contact. Some people just need to take thier teaspoon of cement and harden the funk up.

 

[NATUEREISAMOTHER]

I think what UTF and tigersden are trying to say is putting points on the board hurts more. I agree with Tigersden and say that the card system is a joke and needs to be thrown out, the umpires only use it when they get abused and thats all they want to focus on. Report em if its nasty and take them 50 metres or to the goal square build a solid system get them out of the game for a couple of weeks, then they will really miss footy.

UTF FMF Tigersden

I am not saying that a player shouldnt face the tribunal. Far from it infact ! how do they get there in the first place. We need a solid tribunal and a system and a process to get there ( the card system)
The point I',m trying to put accross, is that if we do not have the CARD system, what are the umpires going to do? ok ! so a player has infringed will the umpire run over tell them they have been reported, hey but you can stay on the ground ill just march the opposition to the goal square for 1 free shot !.In most cases the player down scenario can change the course of a game.

Once again the UMPIRE has control of the situation and it is his discretion on how & which card (depending on offence )it is used umpires & players need to be more educated .
By all means the system could be modified to include a march to the square but how would you measure the grade of offence (again its the umpires decision) we will allways have these grey areas. And thats Footy !

Anyway its good to be talking about footy, rather than all the other crap stuff that comes up this forum.


If It Jams - Force It. If It Breaks It Needed Replacing Anyway !

 

[Usingtheforce]

UTF, why should someone be yellow carded and reported for an accident. They're called accidents because they are just that. Unintentional occurrences shouldn't be punished. Perhaps if the player created the situation leading to the accident a free kick/50, but the game is touchy enough as it is without bringing in more rules to do with contact. Some people just need to take thier teaspoon of cement and harden the funk up.

Cooky the way i understand it and the way it was explained to us was the card system be it right or wrong was the yellow card was used to send off someone to just cool down or if the umpire felt that the accidental action that caused the incident may cause that player to be unfair targeted. A yellow card was not originally suppose to be a report just a warning from what was taught to us. Yes an accident is an accident and that is what the umpire has a split second to see and decide. Was it intentional, or was it accidental and then they have to decide is it a free kick or is it reportable or just a warning hence yellow card.

 

[Cooky_Monster]

Also the idea of a field umpire having a direct influence (more than they do at present *coughs*) on the score (i.e. free shot at goal) is absolutely ridiculous. The umpire's performance is scrutinized thoroughly enough without having to deal with the possibility of a "unfair goal/game fixing/cheating umpires" allegations that would definitely ensue if this rule be brought in. The card system could work, it just requires level headed umpires to implement it.

 

[throughthesticks]

looking forward to a great day of matches on saturday..
should all be tight contests..
what do we all think?
also the prices to get into these are ridiculous..
id hate to see these draw the crowds away