Injury Blue Healers Medical Room 2022
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Just a random comment from reading through this thread and others.
One of the big issues nowadays (aside from people thinking they can scour the internet for 15 minutes of "research" and then know enough to question actual experts in a given field) is that a lot of people don't seem to understand the difference between a poor decision and a good decision with a poor outcome.
Indeed, it's possible many people don't actually know or believe that the second category even exists. We all should just have crystal balls, all the time.
Yes, this is in relation to AR and Walsh, etc in case people couldn't tell.
One of the big issues nowadays (aside from people thinking they can scour the internet for 15 minutes of "research" and then know enough to question actual experts in a given field) is that a lot of people don't seem to understand the difference between a poor decision and a good decision with a poor outcome.
Indeed, it's possible many people don't actually know or believe that the second category even exists. We all should just have crystal balls, all the time.
Yes, this is in relation to AR and Walsh, etc in case people couldn't tell.
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It's a combination of a whole lot of factors. Of course there is some luck involved.
Players would interact with a significant number of staff members who have direct input into their day to day lives at the club. Director of High Performance is one of them.
It's a problem when it goes wrong, but sadly they never seem to get the kudos when they get things right. I wonder why that might be?
There's no need to compare us to other clubs. I've posted plenty on here over the years about our injury list.
The reality is it exists for a combination of reasons, and it's grossly unfair and unreasonable to point the finger at one person in particular for that being the case, which some people have done.
I 'singled out' Harry because it's literally the example you provided. Happy to discuss others if you raise them, but I'm not going to make your argument for you.
Also not sure where you're getting the notion that things can't be discussed or you don't have the right to criticise. Of course they can be, of course you do, and of course people have the right to rebut.
Not many, and I think you'll find that's exactly why I often push back when people here say 'X is a shit coach' or 'Y doesn't have a plan B', and exactly why I'm often frustrated that the senior coach more often than not takes the blame for everything. As with the discussion re: injuries, the reality is there are many different factors at play.
Again, not sure why you think it's unreasonable to exhaust all viable options before opting for surgery. I'd have thought that's fairly standard practise.
What did Hansen say?
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I get that it seems unfair to pin it all on one person, but at the end of the day... that's what comes with these types of roles.
Game plan not working, sure there are lazy players, sure there are players that don't listen/don't follow instructions, sure there are players that continue to make mistakes... the head coach isn't doing it on his own... he has a team of assistants to support his vision. End of the day, if the results aren't as expected, it's on the head coach for not getting the best out of the people beneath him and selling his vision well enough for them to buy in.
Same would apply for director of high performance.
Harry is literally the example I provided but I did say there's many others. We all know them... can you come up with an excuse for all of them? Going back to Harry, the fact he only missed 3 games wasn't even the point...
Hansen said this:
I mean what could possibly have changed so much in a week? If he doesn't know anything about the situation, then he shouldn't comment on it. If he does (as he probably should), then what's going on here?
What's going on with Cuningham? Setback after setback... let's not pretend Walsh is an isolated incident...
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Hopefully Sam had a minimal bulge and it was able to be treated conservatively using Lasers. A laser Discectomy doesnt have to be the massively disruptive procedure that other procedures are. Fingers crossed
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are you a doctor or have you got medical insight ?... you can be a really handy resource for us in that instance
Wait on. Am I to take from this that if a doctor makes a diagnostic mistake (not saying one did, but for the sake of argument) it is because Russell failed to motivate the doctor sufficiently?
That’s silly.
We sometimes agree that on balance a coach hasn’t worked out, but you seem to think following the same line of reasoning, that every player who doesn’t work out should result in the sacking of the coach.
Sometimes motivation coming from the line manager, be it senior coach or director of high performance, is not the issue. Occasionally people are just bad at their jobs, or didn’t have all the information, or made a mistake.
Or, crucially, they did nothing wrong but there was a bad outcome.
But yeah man, it’s Christmas, let’s sakc somebody.
Personally, I think Carlton supporters have been primed to look for faults in anyone named Russell.
For the same reason I’m scared to make puns around anyone named Angwin. They take things, literally.
For the same reason I’m scared to make puns around anyone named Angwin. They take things, literally.
People want the perfect world/outcomes, but they rarely exist, so based on unrealistic expectations, we want someone to blame
As for Russell, I would have real concerns if the bulk of our injuries were soft tissue related
We also had rumours, that player workloads were increased start of this year, and the benefits would flow through over an extended period
Any decision on a group or an individual isn't made by one person, but the club as a whole
As for Russell, I would have real concerns if the bulk of our injuries were soft tissue related
We also had rumours, that player workloads were increased start of this year, and the benefits would flow through over an extended period
Any decision on a group or an individual isn't made by one person, but the club as a whole
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Again, looking at isolated incidents... "every player who doesn't work out" ... you don't knee jerk and hold someone responsible based on isolated or a handful of incidents...
When the whole team is obviously under performing for a period of time.. then you do.
And with the injuries it's the same. Walsh is not the first case. And there's been too many to ignore now. Of course making mistakes is part of being human... but when too many are made over years then something has to be done...
I think the Russell debate will be solved by the end the year one way or the other. If we have a bad injury run again he almost certainly goes. That's not to say it's all his fault but the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. Russell is on alot of money which would likely be used to hunthunt someone equally accomplished who might have some different ideas.
That said, I wouldn't say this walsh injury is a sign of what's to come. Last year at round 2 we had pretty much our whole squad available and then it fell apart. If Walsh is our only major injury and the rest of our squad holds together we are still in a decent spot.
That said, I wouldn't say this walsh injury is a sign of what's to come. Last year at round 2 we had pretty much our whole squad available and then it fell apart. If Walsh is our only major injury and the rest of our squad holds together we are still in a decent spot.
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I was never comfortable seeing walsh go on a long haul flight to usa with the rumours about his back… and then to not have access to best possible rehab while there.. may not have contributed at all but certainly not going to help and could have delayed recovery.. i know players need to live their lives but there was a lot at stake with this particular one
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walsh running laps yet?
Will be come feb
What’s that mean Arrow ?
POTY
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Bit of a late run.....
It ain't over til it's over
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Thanks, Jack Newnes.....
I’m not sure which is the most profound comment “that a lot of people don't seem to understand the difference between a poor decision and a good decision with a poor outcome” or “We all should just have crystal balls, all the time”.
I’m not sure which is the most profound comment “that a lot of people don't seem to understand the difference between a poor decision and a good decision with a poor outcome” or “We all should just have crystal balls, all the time”.
Note that I'm not saying that you need to be able to tell which of the two has occurred in a given situation, just that you need to understand that both possibilities exist. That way perhaps people don't just jump to the conclusion that a poor decision has been made every time something doesn't go to plan.
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Not necessarily the case at all. Often times it's about providing further support for someone in their role rather than simply discarding them.
Again, happy to discuss specifics if you'd like to raise them. I can offer reasons, but if you're already pegging them as excuses I'm not sure how fruitful the discussion will be.
As for Harry, whilst it may not have been the point, you mentioned it for a reason. And it was wrong.
Hansen wouldn't be across the specifics, no coach would be maybe with the exception of Voss, so I'm not going to hang him on semantics and what is basically a throwaway line.
As for not commenting, please. He's not going to say 'no comment' nor is he going to reveal Walsh is heading in for surgery, which he most likely wouldn't have known at the time anyway.
You seem to be under the impression that people adding context are making excuses or pretending that there isn't an issue. I'm genuinely unsure you understand the discussion.
Still trying to work out how Russell erred with Harry McKay. Supposedly, after the Dockers game, Harry experienced soreness, scans were conducted and no tear was sighted
Unless of course Russell was moonlighting as a radiologist at the time
Unless of course Russell was moonlighting as a radiologist at the time
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