List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[Bletch]

Thought I'd take a look back at our consensus best 23 team (thanks JuddgementDay ) from the start of the year:

Prediction - 2024 - Best 23 + Emergencies - Rolling

Not in the inner sanctum, like the majority of people here Gamestyle, skill level of 2 scratch matches and a couple of open sessions? I wouldn't bother trying to rate it Injuries and flow on fitness, this time of the year compared to last year, massive improvement But, plenty of other threads...

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FB: Boyd Weitering Marchbank
HB: Newman McGovern Saad
C: Acres Cripps O.Hollands
HF: E.Hollands McKay Fantasia
FF: Motlop Curnow Martin
FOL: TDK Walsh Cerra
INT: Williams Docherty Hewett Kennedy Cottrell

I do think if we'd had that team on the park for the majority of the year, we'd have finished a lot higher than 8th. But...

Anyway, from this "best 23" of this year, we're losing:
Marchbank
Martin
Kennedy (probably)

Additionally, from depth, we're losing:
Cuningham
Akuei
Mirkov
Owies (probably)
Young (possibly)

Haynes is the obvious replacement for Marchbank on the best 23.
Perhaps Moir on track as a like-for-like replacement for Martin's spot.
Cincotta perhaps the current choice for Kennedy's spot.

The likes of JCarroll, Lord, Silvagni, Kemp, Fogarty, Cowan, Binns, CDurdin will be putting pressure on the likes of Fantasia, Motlop & Cottrell, who I don't expect to be in our best 23 when we come to do this consensus thingy again at the start of next season. And that's not taking into account any other mature recruits, or significant progress from the development group (e.g. Lemmey, Wilson, O'Keeffe, Duffy, BCampo, LCampo, other draftees).

More changes to come obviously over the next few months, but will be interesting to see just how different the best 23 looks come next March.

 

[Aphrodite]

Further to my post above (post #5,014):-

Thank You Nick Haynes

The GIANTS would like to express their thanks to inaugural GIANT Nick Haynes.

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[bourbons]

You speak as if trading in players is a slam dunk. Mcgovern, Williams, Cerra, Thomas, Martin. None of them genuine mids or key position, all high salaries and some first round draft picks

Cerra not a genuine mid?

Was ruined by injury this year but a pretty important cog when fit. Clearly our best performing mid first half of '23 when everyone else somehow forgot how to play footy.

 

[AB_Blue]

I trust Cerra to come out guns blazing next season. The doctor he's going to see this off-season is the same that Yeo and McGovern (the elder) saw last off-season and Yeo put together an awesome year after looking like he was cooked (played 20 games at a very high level after his past 4 years playing 10, 5, 12 and 10 games respectively) and Gov made the AA side after also battling injuries the last few years. Very good track record so far.

Should send our Gov there

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I guessed that but didn't want to assume, so left it as it was.

TDK is just further to the point that the top end balance is nigh on perfect. Elite ruck, 2x elite mids, 2x elite forwards, 1x elite KD, spread doesn't get much better than that.

Melbourne won a flag with less. They had two elite key defenders sure, but no elite key forwards.

You need a better class of runner and now pace as the Dees model has been superseded. The Dees did have a class small forward, a lightning quick winger and some burst from stoppage. Their Sparrow/Rivers/Chandler role players are better than our role players too.

 

[jj1978]

With Cody as he turns 18 in January of his draft year, do we have an ability to get him to play with our VFL team for 2026? He's going to have to play seniors somewhere and surely if he commits early enough to be drafted by us we should be able to bring him into our umbrella to begin his preparation. Can't believe they made the rule 18 in the year of the draft, should follow high school rules... you'd have naturally completed year 12 on the year of your draft (if you finished school without re-doing a year).

 

[ctwenty1]

Further to my post above (post #5,014):-

Thank You Nick Haynes

The GIANTS would like to express their thanks to inaugural GIANT Nick Haynes.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

Isaac Cummings also

If Perryman announced then Houston becoming more likley

Cumming to Depart GIANTS

Isaac Cumming has informed the club of his decision to explore his options as an unrestricted free agent.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

 

[Accidental genius]

Coops93

It's not spin.

The 10 best and worst kicks inside 50 in the AFL in 2024, according to Champion Data

Champion Data's Daniel Hoyne goes through all of the numbers.

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just picking up on this data..

Note Sam Walsh is 5th worst kick..(Kennedy is 1st for worst kick inside 50)

Which sort of highlights the point I was trying to make earlier...

It shows its more of a game plan issue rather than the ability of the player..

We as a team long bomb into f50 so it makes sense that two of our mids are in the top 5 for worst kicks into f50.

 

[Aphrodite]

Isaac Cummings also

If Perryman announced then Houston becoming more likley

Cumming to Depart GIANTS

Isaac Cumming has informed the club of his decision to explore his options as an unrestricted free agent.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

Collingwood interested in Perryman

Cumming Sth Aus bound

Cumming to depart for SA club as Magpies ‘up offer’ for teammate Perryman

Giants trade domino falls as star requests move... while Pies ‘up offer’ for his teammate

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[BM123]

Our clearance game peaked imo with Dow, Kennedy and Cripps last season.

Cripps is king but Walsh is awful kicking inside 50 too and Hewett lacks hurt factor. Cerra we ran into the ground and now we are acting like Kennedy isn't good enough. In a final where we conceded the first 10 goals our MC thought Kennedy was worth subbing out over Fantasia, Williams, Durdin, Motlop, Cerra, Docherty.....

I dislike our name over structure approach to team selection. Kennedy's perception amongst the fanbase would be a lot better if he actually played mid more often. Carlton has a lot of 3-8 disposal per game c graders who get their preferred role more often than Kennedy did and it was a joke how we ran Cerra into the ground instead. It seems like we learnt nothing from how even Dow in 23 still offered more than Hewett did with a broken hand....

 

[Sector 7G]

Coops93

just picking up on this data..

Note Sam Walsh is 5th worst kick..(Kennedy is 1st for worst kick inside 50)

Which sort of highlights the point I was trying to make earlier...

It shows its more of a game plan issue rather than the ability of the player..

We as a team long bomb into f50 so it makes sense that two of our mids are in the top 5 for worst kicks into f50.

Plenty of times this year both Walsh and Kennedy were streaming forward and kicked it to our forwards disadvantage. These were play not long bomb situations.

Crippa was bad last year but really turned it around this season (even on his left)

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Haynes to nominate Carlton

 

[BM123]

Coops93

just picking up on this data..

Note Sam Walsh is 5th worst kick..(Kennedy is 1st for worst kick inside 50)

Which sort of highlights the point I was trying to make earlier...

It shows its more of a game plan issue rather than the ability of the player..

We as a team long bomb into f50 so it makes sense that two of our mids are in the top 5 for worst kicks into f50.

Our forward line had a KPF who barely contested (Curnow) and the worst small forwards in the game. Durdin alone often took up our KPF's space to lead into and often contested them in the air too.

Sam Walsh and Kennedy are average kicks that our structure and coaching made rancid.

 

[Accidental genius]

Plenty of times this year both Walsh and Kennedy were streaming forward and kicked it to our forwards disadvantage. These were play not long bomb situations.

Crippa was bad last year but really turned it around this season (even on his left)

yeah, i agree on walsh...can recall lots where his kicks being wayward

not so much kennedy...i just dont recall him having wayward kicks...more that he bombs it long

 

[BM123]

Plenty of times this year both Walsh and Kennedy were streaming forward and kicked it to our forwards disadvantage. These were play not long bomb situations.

Crippa was bad last year but really turned it around this season (even on his left)

We are also terrible at halving contests in the forward line and making average/bad kicks look good.

 

[Juddrockz]

Haynes to nominate Carlton

Best kept secret?

 

[Aphrodite]

Haynes to nominate Carlton

It was on Twitter (X) 3 hrs ago (Cal Twomey)

 

[Sector 7G]

yeah, i agree on walsh...can recall lots where his kicks being wayward

not so much kennedy...i just dont recall him having wayward kicks...more that he bombs it long

The thing is Kennedy is a good kick of the ball, but once CD put out that stat and you were looking for it it really stood out he wasn't kicking it to where the forwards needed it to go.

 

[Coops93]

Coops93

just picking up on this data..

Note Sam Walsh is 5th worst kick..(Kennedy is 1st for worst kick inside 50)

Which sort of highlights the point I was trying to make earlier...

It shows its more of a game plan issue rather than the ability of the player..

We as a team long bomb into f50 so it makes sense that two of our mids are in the top 5 for worst kicks into f50.

Hack kicks forward have been a known issue for Walsh since his draft year - One of his noted "needs to work on" things in draft reports was impact per disposal, in particular kicks.

His kicking this year was worse than ever, to the point where he was even missing 20m passes to wide open team-mates.

I'm not sure highlighting Walsh helps much.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

So far:
Delisted - Martin, Cuningham, Marchbank
Asked to look elsewhere - Owies, Young, Kennedy

So currently only 2 real changes to our best 23. Need a few more imo. Am hoping our 23 has at least 4 new names to start 2025

 

[RPCB]

I assume that getting in Haynes (together with Gov and Weitering) makes Young surplus to requirements?

What do our supporters genuinely feel about this? I don’t know much about Haynes. Should we feel put off by his age?

 

[Blue and Silver]

I assume that getting in Haynes (together with Gov and Weitering) makes Young surplus to requirements?

What do our supporters genuinely feel about this? I don’t know much about Haynes. Should we feel put off by his age?

Nick Haynes is a good footballer.

My guess that this is meant to be a playing coach situation.



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[Aphrodite]

I assume that getting in Haynes (together with Gov and Weitering) makes Young surplus to requirements?

What do our supporters genuinely feel about this? I don’t know much about Haynes. Should we feel put off by his age?

I don't know much about him either but he turns 33 in May next year.

Nick Haynes | AFL

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[BM123]

Hack kicks forward have been a known issue for Walsh since his draft year - One of his noted "needs to work on" things in draft reports was impact per disposal, in particular kicks.

His kicking this year was worse than ever, to the point where he was even missing 20m passes to wide open team-mates.

I'm not sure highlighting Walsh helps much.

If Walsh manages to have a preseason for once I think it'll be less of an issue.

Attitude wise he does himself no favours by demanding the ball when he is in positions where prime Judd and Ablett would struggle to get a good kick off.

 

[Jatz]

So far:
Delisted - Martin, Cuningham, Marchbank
Asked to look elsewhere - Owies, Young, Kennedy

So currently only 2 real changes to our best 23. Need a few more imo. Am hoping our 23 has at least 4 new names to start 2025

Yeah I'm with you. Really only feels like we're scratching the surface at present.