Bluemour Melting Pot XXI - Like seriously, the polar ice caps have got nothing on us

[ferrisb]

So would we be right in assuming that Marc Pittonet would be a replacement for Phillips?

Pittonet plays infrequently enough that he is the perfect replacement for Phillips

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

I can see the big lug outlasting Krooz, certainly more durable and can now play a number of positions

Totally agree, but still wouldn't be surprised to see him as part of a trade to secure Papley or Martin, especially if we get Pittonet and lose AP. I can't see Krooz having longevity in the game with his body constantly knocked up.

Ruck stocks for 2020 would be Krooz and Pittonet....TDK also developing, but is really more a tall forward/ruck option, similar to Cas.

If that were the scenario, I'd still like to see us drafting another young ruck like a Ben Kelly type to develop.....a late/rookie pick would likely jag him.

 

[ferrisb]

So it's no wonder why Dodo's asking for a quality player, because their current situation is completely ****ed...

Seeing * with a mismanaged list brings tears to my eyes....

 

[Faz 2000]

I can see it both ways with Levi. I’d be very happy keeping him as I feel like he’s first picked on the bench as secondary ruck and spare parts man/plan B for tall forwards and defenders.

If someone comes in big with a large 2-3 year offer and “poaches” him, fair enough but we should make sure we get a useful pick in compensation that helps get something else done.

With the injury history of Kreuzer, Marchbank, Curnow and so on there’s definitely a place for Levi 18+ games in 2020.

 

[BIGGUS 64]

I think he's trying to play the Daniher will stay at Essendon card if Sydney don't cough up.

He's doubling down and trying to put the pressure on Sydney.

I guess it's fair to say we had a similar situation with SOS, Adelaide and Gibbs a couple of years ago. With Gibbs under contract, SOS stood firm, knowing what Gibbs was worth to the Cows, happy to see the deal fall through if Adelaide weren't prepared to pony up.

 

[Dadda Dave]

Seeing * with a mismanaged list brings tears to my eyes....

Tears of joy I'm guessing.

 

[Arr0w]

Totally agree, but still wouldn't be surprised to see him as part of a trade to secure Papley or Martin, especially if we get Pittonet and lose AP. I can't see Krooz having longevity in the game with his body constantly knocked up.

Ruck stocks for 2020 would be Krooz and Pittonet....TDK also developing, but is really more a tall forward/ruck option, similar to Cas.

If that were the scenario, I'd still like to see us drafting another young ruck like a Ben Kelly type to develop.....a late/rookie pick would likely jag him.

I think Levi is the last player you want to lose at the moment.

He is our only cover if Jones or Weitering goes down, Goddard just isn't up to it, same as McKay or Charlie, as TDK just isn't ready to sustain a full season.

Adding Pittonett helps in the ruck and a tad forward, while Phillips and Krooz are inept forward

Levi is worth more to our group at the moment, than adding him as a minor component in a trade

I just don't see it happening

 

[The Bighouse]

With the injury history of Kreuzer, Marchbank, Curnow and so on there’s definitely a place for Levi 18+ games in 2020.

Yep, see how Charlie recovers from knee surgery - no need to rush him back with an able replacement in Cas for the start of the season + ruck capabilities.
If we need a tall down back, call on Levi again.

 

[Stamos]

I guess it's fair to say we had a similar situation with SOS, Adelaide and Gibbs a couple of years ago. With Gibbs under contract, SOS stood firm, knowing what Gibbs was worth to the Cows, happy to see the deal fall through if Adelaide weren't prepared to pony up.

There were some pretty big differences between Gibbs and Daniher though.

Gibbs was 2 years into a heavily front-ended 5 year contract, while Daniher is a year off Free Agency.

Gibbs was incredibly resilient, and while he had been injured in 2015 and only played 10 games, every other year of his career he had played a minimum 21 games, and he had not missed a game in 2016. Compared to Daniher who has managed only 11 games (from 45) over the last 2 years.

And Gibbs was doing the heavy lifting as we were going into the second year of our rebuild. Joe meanwhile, is notionally important to the Dons structure, except that he doesn’t play, and their list is simply not good enough to challenge.

 

[slashin_velvet]

And Gibbs was doing the heavy lifting as we were going into the second year of our rebuild. Joe meanwhile, is notionally important to the Dons structure, except that he doesn’t play, and their list is simply not good enough to challenge.

Whilst I agree they don't look like they are good enough to challenge, they don't see it that way....in any deal, you have to see the other side's perspective.

 

[Faz 2000]

The Bombers have missed their shot. With Hooker, Hurley, Daniher and Ryder they were supposed to have the flag winning spine. Heppell, Merrett and others are fine players. They acquired lots of useful add ons like Saad, Stringer and so on. But with the drug cheating interruption and the fact they have never gone and got the midfielder they need, they’ve missed it. A lot of that has to be on Dodoro. So what they do with Daniher, who knows' cos he’s the youngest and most talented of that “core” spine.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Oh yeah, he's got himself in a right royal mess.....they lose Daniher and have no quality key forwards remaining.

He then comes out publicly and states: "Our position hasn’t changed. We don’t think this draft will replace a guy of Joey’s ilk – 203cm, a gun key forward, they’re just so hard to find. As recruiters and list managers, we look at the quality of what’s coming up in the draft, and it’s about (possibly) replacing your key forward."

That's because you traded away all of your early draft picks this year for Shiel, so anyone of any quality is likely to be gone by the time your turn comes up

Exactly. I mean what a forward line they’d have if they don’t get another KPF who’s half decent. Aside from Tippa with their current forward set up I don’t see how they play finals next year. Worst case scenario I’d say they’ll go for Jenkins or even make a play for Cas or even have a crack to try and get a Wile Buzza from Geelong They have to do something their forward line is shocking KPF wise.

 

[HARKER]

I think Levi is the last player you want to lose at the moment.
He is our only cover if Jones or Weitering goes down, Goddard just isn't up to it, same as McKay or Charlie, as TDK just isn't ready to sustain a full season.
Adding Pittonett helps in the ruck and a tad forward, while Phillips and Krooz are inept forward
Levi is worth more to our group at the moment, than adding him as a minor component in a trade

I just don't see it happening

I'd be happy for Levi to go should it favour his situation.

The other thing is that sometimes one has to allow opportunity to others for therm to develop.
I'm nowhere near as buoyant on Macreadie as I was last year as he just looked like a player bereft of confidence.
Another year like this one and it could easily be his last and most likely would be, yet I saw a player in him that could be developed into a premium back.

We have to have a carrot in front of players that have the ability to make it and that carrot seems to have been taken away from Macreadie.
Sometimes that happens and it happens for a variety of reasons, but should we get a pick ~#40 for Casboult, I'd like to see him take a longer contract elsewhere, as I don't think we'll miss 30 year old Casboult anywhere near as much as may seem to be the case right now.

 

[Stamos]

Whilst I agree they don't look like they are good enough to challenge, they don't see it that way....in any deal, you have to see the other side's perspective.

There’s also the issue of the reasons for wanting out. Gibbs loved the club, and was leaving for family reasons with a young child. Daniher however wants out not only of the club, but the city of Melbourne.

 

[Benaly28]

Our big two recruits which have gone under the radar are Simos replacement Willo and Doc.

Add Martin who may play across there as well and our backline looks very strong.

 

[Arr0w]

I'd be happy for Levi to go should it favour his situation.

The other thing is that sometimes one has to allow opportunity to others for therm to develop.
I'm nowhere near as buoyant on Macreadie as I was last year as he just looked like a player bereft of confidence.
Another year like this one and it could easily be his last and most likely would be, yet I saw a player in him that could be developed into a premium back.

We have to have a carrot in front of players that have the ability to make it and that carrot seems to have been taken away from Macreadie.
Sometimes that happens and it happens for a variety of reasons, but should we get a pick ~#40 for Casboult, I'd like to see him take a longer contract elsewhere, as I don't think we'll miss 30 year old Casboult anywhere near as much as may seem to be the case right now.

That is just a gut feel Harks, not based on reality of our current situation. We are ready to climb the ladder, where we will be very competitive against sides mid table and lower, so there will be plenty of close games next year

KPD - If either Jones or Weitering go down, who do you see as a better option than Levi?
Ruck - If Krooz goes down ? Phillips or Levi?
KPF - If Mackay or Charlie goes down (will have a late start to the season) Who plays that role while chopping out in the ruck?

If Levi only gets you pick 40, then we already have picks in that range

 

[choo]

What if swans won’t deal Papley

We do 9&47 to crows for brouch and Betts. Overs for Betts unders for brouch. ( according to crows)

20 first &83 to Hawks for their 20 first & Pittonet

Hawks 20first to GC for Martin

Out 9,47&83 20 first
In brouch martin pittonet betts

 

[spry]

Our big two recruits which have gone under the radar are Simos replacement Willo and Doc.

Add Martin who may play across there as well and our backline looks very strong.

Where do you think SPS will play next year?


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[Manhattanite]

Dodo doesn't seem to get how to haggle properly. Your initial asking price must be high, well above what your merch is actually worth, but you're not supposed to raise it during negotiations. That's not how it works.

What I suspect has happened is that his plans for those Daniher picks didn’t end up netting Jeremy Cameron or Ollie Wines and anyone else they were targeting. If they are stuck with actual draft picks instead of a player they need more picks or a new list manager.


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[HARKER]

That is just a gut feel Harks, not based on reality of our current situation. We are ready to climb the ladder, where we will be very competitive against sides mid table and lower, so there will be plenty of close games next year

KPD - If either Jones or Weitering go down, who do you see as a better option than Levi?
Ruck - If Krooz goes down ? Phillips or Levi?
KPF - If Mackay or Charlie goes down (will have a late start to the season) Who plays that role while chopping out in the ruck?

If Levi only gets you pick 40, then we already have picks in that range

KPD - If Jones or Weitering go down -
Marchbank may take one of the KPD's roles. Reckon he'd do O.K. on plenty of second talls.
Macreadie - 198cm KPD that didn't have a good year but may just need that carrot I mentioned. Sad to see him playing the way he is.

Ruck - If Kreuzer goes down
TDK - Opporunity, opportunity, opportunity is a wonderful thing.
Otherwise either Phillips or another ruckman we may bring in...and then there's McKay as relief ruck. He best get used to it.

KPF - If McKay or CCurnow go down.
Smaller forward line as is the case for many teams.
Not sure Casboult did anything particularly good when playing forward anyway.

I just go back to opportunity and holding onto Casboult as a 'break in case of emergency player' doesn't do it for me.
Is he a walk up start right now? I don't think so and that alone should be enough to send him our best wishes should he choose to walk for a better contract.

 

[Metalcrusher]

Had a Suns player in my Uber today. And.......... Unfortunately I got no inside info on Martin trade.

Kidnapping is your friend ....

 

[Faz 2000]

Our big two recruits which have gone under the radar are Simos replacement Willo and Doc.

Add Martin who may play across there as well and our backline looks very strong.

I am pretty excited at the prospect of SPS and Martin being viable HBF options, possibly even both as a 1-2 punch of slick skilled ball movers.

All I want from Doc in 2020 is to stay safe and provide leadership.

 

[Eiffel 65]

What if swans won’t deal Papley

We do 9&47 to crows for brouch and Betts. Overs for Betts unders for brouch. ( according to crows)

20 first &83 to Hawks for their 20 first & Pittonet

Hawks 20first to GC for Martin

Out 9,47&83 20 first
In brouch martin pittonet betts

Feels like that deal could be done as Pittonet for pick 83.

Unless the Suns believe the Hawks will finish lower than us.

 

[Brutalitops]

If the Papley deal falls over, I wouldn't be averse to picking up Jamaine Jones as a dfa....thought he was a bit stiff to be delisted, but the Cats have a plethora of small forwards at the moment.

Trust me on this, there is serious baggage with him. Wont get resolved this generation

 

[Arr0w]

KPD - If Jones or Weitering go down -
Marchbank may take one of the KPD's roles. Reckon he'd do O.K. on plenty of second talls.
Macreadie - 198cm KPD that didn't have a good year but may just need that carrot I mentioned. Sad to see him playing the way he is.

Ruck - If Kreuzer goes down
TDK - Opporunity, opportunity, opportunity is a wonderful thing.
Otherwise either Phillips or another ruckman we may bring in...and then there's McKay as relief ruck. He best get used to it.

KPF - If McKay or CCurnow go down.
Smaller forward line as is the case for many teams.
Not sure Casboult did anything particularly good when playing forward anyway.

I just go back to opportunity and holding onto Casboult as a 'break in case of emergency player' doesn't do it for me.
Is he a walk up start right now? I don't think so and that alone should be enough to send him our best wishes should he choose to walk for a better contract.

Marchbank is only a 3rd tall intercept defender, he may never play as a KPD, and struggles to stay on the park
Macreadie, still think he comes on, but is not even considered a lock for that role, nor has he shown durability

TDK is not ready to sustain a full season, but I do believe he will get games. Phillips in inept forward and generally when the ball hits the ground

So we go a smaller forward line if McKay goes down, who do we play as the relief ruckman, Charlie or McGovern?

Again, if Levi only gets us pick 40, we already have picks around that mark