Bluemour Melting Pot XXIX
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thylacine60
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Yep, we try to crush mindless optimism.......
thylacine60
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You said interfaces.......
- Sep 30, 2014
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Well, not totally what I meant as they have debuted already, more the Ramsay, philp, carroll, kemp durdin .
if players want to leave they can, but doubt fisher or Dow would want to leave sps I also doubt he wants to go.
Giving up SPS AND our 1st is overs.
Cerra is overrated.
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Well it means you got into a GF.
Something that will never happen with quite a few of the players still on our list.
Yup my bad, should be MM interface, It’s all glossy glorified gossip, but turns the turnstiles.
not sure how we're getting 2,023 4th round picks, seems like a very oddly specific number as well.
- Sep 2, 2017
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Getting Cerra makes us a better team, the rest we will manage. I'm pumped.
thylacine60
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but you just..........never mind.....
- Apr 20, 2006
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We could try an seperate the trade but SPS is only going to get us a pick around the mid 30’s and Freo would hate to accept pick ~10 and ~35 for him.
He just wouldn't roll over against the bombers. He got them over the line on the weekend. Brayshaw as well. Would be a huge addition to Walsh and Dow. Will be tough to get it done though without giving up the farm.
Not sold on Cerra. I like him as a player but I'm not sure he's someone we should pay an expensive price for. SPS and a first feels like overs, but at the same time it probably doesn't get done without at least that.
I don't think he'll move the needle so much that that price is worth it.
I don't think he'll move the needle so much that that price is worth it.
- Jun 4, 2016
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Thats my point though, I think Cerra's cost is far too high. We have emerging talent on our list and we can add more in the draft. The list is lacking talls more than anything else, so any recruitment that has some cost that doesn't address that is likely hampering our ability to build proper tall depth on the squad.
No doubting Cerra has potential to build on where he is at, but at a similar time in his career Newnes was looked at like Cerra is now, up and coming future gun wing who can go inside too. I really don't think Cerra is worth the huge paycheck and draft pick cost to not be that much of an upgrade at all and to a position we have people developing in already, and that is traditionally not too hard to draft for.
Basically the cost just feels far too steep.
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They didn't win in moneyball...
- Aug 22, 2014
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Cost is always a factor, but that's certainly not what I was discussing, more his ability to fit into the side. I wouldn't advocate bringing Cerra in on $800k. I'd give him a choice:
A - 2 years at $500-550k, work your arse off and your next deal could be worth $800k or more per year if he comes on as hoped
B - 5 years at $650-700k, and take the security
C - give Richmond or Hawthorn a call
We are clearly focusing on development, but part of that focus is in making sure that the senior side is as strong as it can be, and young kids need to do plenty to earn a spot. And it's not wasted money if he performs.
Honestly, not even remotely relevant. Firstly. it assumes that kids can only develop in the seniors, which is patently untrue. Secondly, it completely ignores the fact that we spent the last 5 years debuting kids before they were ready and have moved past that stage of the rebuild. Thirdly, an extension of the second point, it ignores the limited pool of debutants available because so many of our draftees had already played in previous years and because we didn't draft many players.
Parks, debuted.
Ramsay, unlucky to date.
Kemp, looks close after coming back from two years of injury.
Carroll and Durdin, first year players, need development.
Mirkox and Boyd, injured.
I'm not sure what this even relates to. Maybe I missed some posts somewhere along the way suggesting that we should delist Kemp and Carroll so that we can make room for Cerra? Otherwise, those kids who haven't had a chance to show anything aren't the ones who are being given away. It'll be the Murphy's and Casboults retiring, underwhelming players who have had plenty of opportunity like SPS and Setters being traded, or depth players like Gibbons who may seek opportunity elsewhere. Perhaps even someone like Marchbank being paid out because his body won't hold up to AFL footy.
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If he requests a trade and nominates Carlton, it'd either be our first alone (top 10 pick), future first (if Freo want to roll that dice), or a later pick (second rounder) with a player (SPS).
Cerra isn't a Lachie Neale or Dylan Shiel type trade. He's a promising young kid who seems to want to get back to VIC, and in that situation Freo will likely need to decide between a high draft pick and the longer term investment but associated risk that represents, or a lesser pick and a player who immediately helps to offset the loss of Cerra.
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Its way too early for this crap, we'll end up reamed in the trade like we were with Saad.
If we want to make sure this Carlton preference is not public until we've figured out how to do the trade at a price we are willing to pay.
Last year we should have split our first pick and on traded one of them before Saad went public.
If we want to make sure this Carlton preference is not public until we've figured out how to do the trade at a price we are willing to pay.
Last year we should have split our first pick and on traded one of them before Saad went public.
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This would be a good outcome
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Freo wanna play hard ball we will just make it SPS & McGovern for Cerra & Treacy.
Getting rid of McGoverns contract would be a win for us.
Getting rid of McGoverns contract would be a win for us.
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It seems overs because it feels like we are giving SPS away for stuff all or no reason but the reality is he is worth stuff all and if he leaves we are getting bugger all for him.
Take him out of any trade for Cerra and we would have to give up more then our pick, what will end up being ~10 for him. SPS will seem a like cheap steak knives compared to what it’ll actually cost to add to pick ~10 to get him. (Assuming SPS demands a trade) I would be interested if anyone could name their 10th favourite player in this years draft and with a straight face say they would prefer them to Cerra. I don’t think it’s anywhere near the ballpark.
For me it just comes down to dollars. Offer him that ~$6-650k and stick to it. If we get Cerra then I imagine SPS is gone and probably no need for Newnes so they would cover his wage anyway.
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