Bluemour Melting Pot XXIX

[Pentatonic Flat Fifth]

Where is it said that only Lloyd will go?

Doesn't. Points out all the people who are keeping their job and the one bloke to lose it.......extrapolation.

 

[gbatman]

Looking in the rumours thread regarding Lloyd to go and everyone else to remain.

Sooo - they found a scape goat.

This club.

Wonder if the report was written before Pav and co were even hired.

My thoughts too. Question, what has Lloyd supposed to have done wrong??

 

[jj1978]

My thoughts too. Question, what has Lloyd supposed to have done wrong??

Bloodline... doing nothing doesn’t mean you’ve done the right thing either.

 

[RoyalBlues]

My thoughts too. Question, what has Lloyd supposed to have done wrong??

Manage the football department so badly that the high performance group, coaching group and recruitment group are rarely aligned. Lacking the necessary authority and vision to correct it.

 

[Own The Future]

Doesn't. Points out all the people who are keeping their job and the one bloke to lose it.......extrapolation.

I think Teague (and assistants) and Lloyd is a good starting point. To me, getting rid of Austin so soon would be a massive mistake. Although when we hired him I thought it was a little risky to het yet another first timer in their respective role (to go with Teague, Liddle and Lloyd) I have no issue with his efforts so far. As we all likely agree, we paid overs for Saad - but that was always going to happen when dealing with old mate Dodo.
Getting some experience in the HC and footy manager roles will be massive in the general direction and structure of the place.

 

[gbatman]

Manage the football department so badly that the high performance group, coaching group and recruitment group are rarely aligned. Lacking the necessary authority and vision to correct it.

Makes sense, have you heard how exactly?
I'm guessing our high injury toll is to do with that.

 

[myblueroan]

Re the rumour file,
I don't want Liddle to stay unless they create a new position for Commercial management.
I don't warm to him at all and I want some serious brains and integrity as CEO please.
The other changes...of course. Bring it on.

 

[KohPhi]

Re the rumour file,
I don't want Liddle to stay unless they freate a new position for Commerciql mangement.
I don't warm to him at all and I want some serious brains and integrity as CEO please.
The other changes...of course. Bring it on.

Naaawwww... why the long face?

 

[Gavstar]

“it’s always darkest before the dawn.”

truly!

The external review is comprehensive, it is not like West Coast’s “review every 2 years“. It has been much more far reaching.

It is football department based because, though some don’t like it, Liddle leads the club very well commercially.

Culturally, as we’ve continually seen, the football realm is bereft of maturity, surety and a hard competitive edge.

So, a new broom will come- and build a culture as well as coaching.

Too many good tactical coaches and/or good mentors are keen to come to Carlton for things not to change.

It is tough regarding David Teague, he seems a good man but clearly the head coaching role is too big for him. As it’s unlikely that he’ll ever coach a senior team and he’s contracted, he’ll hang on until sacked. Clarkson saying ‘yes’ may make it easier to rationalise, but Lyon will most likely coach the club if not.

Would the review have looked at Liddle's interference in recruiting?

What about CEO's purported statement regarding the sacking of SOS saying he would sabotage the club, that sort of behaviour is inappropriate for some corporate manager with no proven loyalty to the club and is damaging to the culture of the club.

 

[RoyalBlues]

Makes sense, have you heard how exactly?
I'm guessing our high injury toll is to do with that.

I’ve heard that the players are a little too self empowered by the coach, so they can be keen to play ahead of time/readiness. That preseason standards accepted by the coach were at odds with the high performance director. That favourites are played for team stability when not fit enough. That recruiting can be based on individual contacts.

 

[17SetMeFree]

Would the review have looked at Liddle's interference in recruiting?

What about CEO's purported statement regarding the sacking of SOS saying he would sabotage the club, that sort of behaviour is inappropriate for some corporate manager with no proven loyalty to the club and is damaging to the culture of the club.

wasn't it he that approached leppitsch on the sly about a position only to find out Judd did also - on the sly as well?

what a ****ing embarassement

 

[RoyalBlues]

Would the review have looked at Liddle's interference in recruiting?

What about CEO's purported statement regarding the sacking of SOS saying he would sabotage the club, that sort of behaviour is inappropriate for some corporate manager with no proven loyalty to the club and is damaging to the culture of the club.

Liddle and recruiting were a big issue at the end of SoS’ time.

Being unable to land Shiel and then Coniglio hurt SoS. It was put down by some as his difficult personality.

Essendon and GWS wouldn’t be thrilled to have had to pay so much for them (given they haven’t justified their $ at each club)

Expense incurred to land big names (Saad/Williams) is partly, maybe even largely Liddle’s influence.

Genuinely, Oliver was very keen, and indicated probable interest. Each time Mark Williams has been thereabouts - and anti Carlton. (son in law and Melbourne)

Coaching is the core issue at the moment and each potential coach may bring a player or two each.

 

[StaggerLee]

They can all fu** off. You can’t have two AA Called bee defenders in Jones and weitering and not lose your job this season. Defence has been trash.

Is he in charge of our defensive 6 (backline) or over the whole ground?

 

[gbatman]

“it’s always darkest before the dawn.”

truly!

The external review is comprehensive, it is not like West Coast’s “review every 2 years“. It has been much more far reaching.

It is football department based because, though some don’t like it, Liddle leads the club very well commercially.

Culturally, as we’ve continually seen, the football realm is bereft of maturity, surety and a hard competitive edge.

So, a new broom will come- and build a culture as well as coaching.

Too many good tactical coaches and/or good mentors are keen to come to Carlton for things not to change.

It is tough regarding David Teague, he seems a good man but clearly the head coaching role is too big for him. As it’s unlikely that he’ll ever coach a senior team and he’s contracted, he’ll hang on until sacked. Clarkson saying ‘yes’ may make it easier to rationalise, but Lyon will most likely coach the club if not.

Identifying problems is one thing, fixing them is another.

It gives us hope and something to look forward to.

I feel sorry for Teague because he, like so many before him are under equipped and setup to fail. He seems like a good guy.

I like how good tactical coaches and mentors want to come, this seems huge in football these days.

A lot to look forward to it sounds!

 

[dirk pitt]

Where is it said that only Lloyd will go?

Well whoever signed Cripps to a 6 year deal in the middle of a review has ****** the next coach too, so I hope anyone who looked at it leaves with him.

 

[RoyalBlues]

Well whoever signed Cripps to a 6 year deal in the middle of a review has ****** the next coach too, so I hope anyone who looked at it leaves with him.

Or has playing the highly loyal but injured Cripps been the core issue in his form?

Would a highly capable coach not get much more from him?

 

[dirk pitt]

Or has playing the highly loyal but injured Cripps been the core issue in his form?

Would a highly capable coach not get much more from him?

Looks structural to me. Time will tell.

 

[gbatman]

I’ve heard that the players are a little too self empowered by the coach, so they can be keen to play ahead of time/readiness. That preseason standards accepted by the coach were at odds with the high performance director. That favourites are played for team stability when not fit enough. That recruiting can be based on individual contacts.

Players being self empowered I think was a problem Ratten created when he was coaching for memory.

If the players are used to this it's going to be a cultural adjustment for them.

What you've said all makes sense.

 

[bmaurizio]

Re the rumour file,
I don't want Liddle to stay unless they create a new position for Commercial management.
I don't warm to him at all and I want some serious brains and integrity as CEO please.
The other changes...of course. Bring it on.

Agree , Liddle is great at marketing man, membership numbers at high record levels and historic debit cleared and wiped clean great achievements.
Create a commercial department he can run it, let him develop the strategy to get us over 100,000 membership tally per annum.
Keep him away form footy, coaching and recruiting departments.

 

[btdg]

I love how some people think the review will fix anything

It is, and always was, a marketing tactic. Something to placate and distract the supporters from the basket case we are. To make everyone forget that this exact administration srt up a 66 game rebuild and 5 years later we are basically starting from scratch.

We are a spin machine - false and empty promises year after year. Every decision the club makes is around that... recruiting second rate players on bug money and popular players 5 years too late.

They'll scapegoat a coach or two and the assistant bootstrapped then continue on with the same pathetic administration in charge. Hey, maybe we will sign Cerra in the off season! That will fix everything... and hey, perhaps we can get people to sign their cats up for free memberships so we can nudge 100 000 members while finishing 15th yet again.

 

[dirk pitt]

Game structure? Ability? New direction of the game?

Would a capable, innovative, experienced coach extract much more? As you say, we’ll know in time.

Direction of the game + body + attitude. One of those might improve.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

as for assistants, if O’Keefe is classed as an assistant than I guarantee he has either been told he is staying, or hasn’t been told he is leaving yet. I would have 100% heard about any changes to his employment at the club.

 

[bmaurizio]

Game structure? Ability? New direction of the game?

Would a capable, innovative, experienced coach extract much more? As you say, we’ll know in time.

Perhaps not immediately but we must start to set a strong culture & foundations, honestly we’re a laughing stock at the moment & after 2 decades of ineptitude , still debating sensitivity level of the changes needed.
It’s become critical & urgent.

 

[btdg]

Agree , Liddle is great at marketing man, membership numbers at high record levels and historic debit cleared and wiped clean great achievements.
Create a commercial department he can run it, let him develop the strategy to get us over 100,000 membership tally per annum.
Keep him away form footy, coaching and recruiting departments.

He's a used car salesman polishing up a turd and pretending it is caviar. Everyone knows the membership numbers are BS and clearing debt means nothing when the club is a basket case in every other way.

 

[Own The Future]

Agree , Liddle is great at marketing man, membership numbers at high record levels and historic debit cleared and wiped clean great achievements.
Create a commercial department he can run it, let him develop the strategy to get us over 100,000 membership tally per annum.
Keep him away form footy, coaching and recruiting departments.

Legit question: What is the usual involvement of the CEO in the football side of things as opposed to the business side? Forgive my ignorance - long time Blues supporter but a real novice to the behind the scenes side of footy. To me, in a business sense the CEO is usually the highest rank in an organisation. How does it translate to a footy club?
That will give some insight as to whether or not Liddle has overstepped in his tinkering with recruitment/list management, etc.