Bluemour Melting Pot XXIX

[BlueTongue]

Somehow, I don't think that the financial stuff would be the number one focus of a Head of Football, any number of people can deal with those things and football nous isn't required for those things. I doubt that people like Balme are setting departmental budgets either. Unless our football department is a one-person operation I doubt that Ayres would be doing the leg work on those types of things in that position.


I'm sure that he's well experienced in reporting to people further up the chain already as a coach rather than reporting to players? Why would a coach report to players?


If he's survived at Football Clubs for all these years he knows how they operate. I'm not even saying he should be appointed to the position here but there is no reason that he couldn't be a good candidate.

To clarify, my point isn’t whether he is capable or not, but more that in a time where the club is failing to perform on multiple levels, it is not the time to roll the dice on someone. I think the club should only be looking at people with proven experience in the position they want to fill. Clubs who have won 2 or 3 flags in the last decade can afford to take these risks, not us.

 

[jpfalvo]

Gary Ayres to be asked if he is interested to take over as our Head of football...what do people think?

How recently was he asked. Thats left of field

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[gab213]

To clarify, my point isn’t whether he is capable or not, but more that in a time where the club is failing to perform on multiple levels, it is not the time to roll the dice on someone. I think the club should only be looking at people with proven experience in the position they want to fill. Clubs who have won 2 or 3 flags in the last decade can afford to take these risks, not us.

I understand what you're saying but sometimes you have to go with someone that you think will be good in the role, it's not too easy to dislodge the proven ones from their current positions.

Going back to Balme, Collingwood appointed him in 98 the year after he was sacked after his unsuccessful coaching tenure at Melbourne. Someone saw something in him and I remember at the time that the football world generally doubted his ability to perform in the role.

There's no guarantees in any of this and I guess the past mistakes make us wary but at some stage every appointment has inherent risks attached to it.

Hopefully, we are casting the net wide before we identify who it is that we want.

 

[BluesTragic]

The older players have to go, regardless of who is coach next year. The young talent needs to be given a chance to shine. But the quickest way to success will be getting that young talent to shine, not shipping it off early for unders.

Only so much you can polish a piece of charcoal to make it shiny Stamos !!


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[Lace_Out]

Hell of a lot of experience and experience as a coach, he should know what a coach wants and requires and that's a really big thing IMO. We can make it up to him for 1995

We can even let him touch the cup.

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[zeggie]

I thought Brad Scott had lost the passion for coaching, and thus his move on from North? I seem to remember he dodged a meeting, pretended to have a cold and was sighted at a golf course. Maybe he just wants his easy AFL gig and eventually move up.

 

[BluesTragic]

Scott is also my number 1 preference if we make a change

Agreed


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[branedotorg]

Similar things were said when Neil Balme became a Head of Football

At 48, straight after his last coaching stint. Not at 60 after years in a semi professional environment

 

[gab213]

At 48, straight after his last coaching stint. Not at 60 after years in a semi professional environment

I hate to tell you this but 60 isn't dead. You think you lose your ability and that experience counts for nothing? If anything we need a mature head at this time.


We already have someone who fits your criteria, Brad Lloyd, 46, from another afl club.....

 

[forever blue 1]

If you removed every board and every CEO that ever made a bad appointment there'd be none left in their positions anywhere. Stronger organisations are able to correct those things and move on without so much fuss. Rather than get rid of absolutely everyone, identify the issue and fix it. Hopefully, that is the stage that we are in right now.

There will always be someone else
Always

 

[branedotorg]

I hate to tell you this but 60 isn't dead. You think you lose your ability and that experience counts for nothing? If anything we need a mature head at this time.

I'm not against a 60 year old if there's a clear talent identification and succession plan but I'm saying that a 48 yo Balme who was a recent afl coach isn't the same as a 60yo Ayres who has been in an environment where the local butcher is a major sponsor.

 

[Pablito]

Perhaps I'm too young to know. But why are people so vehemently against a role for gary ayres?

 

[RoyalBlues]

Gary Ayres to be asked if he is interested to take over as our Head of football...what do people think?

Maybe we should mullet over for a while

 

[gab213]

I'm not against a 60 year old if there's a clear talent identification and succession plan but I'm saying that a 48 yo Balme who was a recent afl coach isn't the same as a 60yo Ayres who has been in an environment where the local butcher is a major sponsor.

All I said initially was that nobody thought Balme would succeed in that role at the time outside of the people who appointed him. In fact, Balme may as well have been the local butcher, a thug as a player, a failed coach, hardly a great resume.

He proved everyone, including myself, wrong.

I'm not advocating personally for Ayres, I just think that there's nothing wrong with a little left-field thinking and at times it pays off to take a chance. As I said, I hope that they cast the net wide and take many different types into consideration.

 

[gab213]

Perhaps I'm too young to know. But why are people so vehemently against a role for gary ayres?

The main things I remember about Ayres are 5 VFL Premierships, 2 Norm Smith Medals, Last coach to lose to Carlton in a Grand Final and a ridiculous mullet, nothing controversial.

 

[Wickzki]

Lloyd also gone. Austin on notice but I expect to remain (our coaching and development haven’t done the list any favours). Liddle to remain.

Can argue the opposite just as logically.

If we had more KP depth... (list manager trimmed too much without replacing it)

If we had more than one healthy ruck entering the season... (even our backup backup had a known injury heading into the summer)

If we'd done more to add midfield depth instead of laying all our eggs in the basket of a high priced free agent who had yet to prove he's a permanent mid...

If our other major trade acquisition didn't play our arguably deepest position and cost nearly ss much as what we paid...

Our woes this year start at the top and work their way down. This is crystal clear.

 

[Hands On]

Take this as you wish,

Rumour at seasons end Clarko will be announced as coach.

Source: A business associate who has a contact within Fox Sports contracts have already been signed. and called to see if I have heard anything.

Sceptical?
1. Yes, very as it has come form media
2. If fox sports has this info why hasn't it hit the air as breaking news.
3. Reliability of source? no reason to doubt my associate, however no idea about the original source from Fox.

 

[Ezayyak]

Totally agree. It's beyond farcical how his game has been allowed to spiral like this.

The thing that boggles my mind the most about this team is how good Weitering and Jones are. Jones being outmarked ONCE in over 100 one-on-ones, Weitering an absolute beast, and we still put up performances like this.

But imagine if those two WEREN'T there? That is why this is on the coach, he's been propped up (if 8 wins can be called propped up) by having two star intercept defenders saving the day time and again.

This is the point. If Weitering or Jones don't win the contest it is almost odds on a score will occur. If you were told a team has the Coleman medalist, two dominant KPD and a dominant midfielder, you'd assume the team is conformably in the top 8.

 

[Zlatan]

Take this as you wish,

Rumour at seasons end Clarko will be announced as coach.

Source: A business associate who has a contact within Fox Sports contracts have already been signed. and called to see if I have heard anything.

Sceptical?
1. Yes, very as it has come form media
2. If fox sports has this info why hasn't it hit the air as breaking news.
3. Reliability of source? no reason to doubt my associate, however no idea about the original source from Fox.

I brought it up in another thread, but Caro was right re: the Clarko situation from the go.

She’s recently stated if Clarko is coaching next year, it will only be at Carlton.

If Caro was getting her info from Clarko’s management and it has proven to be correct, it stands to reason there is a solid and factual link between Carlton and Clarko.

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

I hate to tell you this but 60 isn't dead. You think you lose your ability and that experience counts for nothing? If anything we need a mature head at this time.


We already have someone who fits your criteria, Brad Lloyd, 46, from another afl club.....

Aside from the premiership would be every bit as capable as Mark Williams who would be a great choice.

 

[Hands On]

I brought it up in another thread, but Caro was right re: the Clarko situation from the go.

She’s recently stated if Clarko is coaching next year, it will only be at Carlton.

If Caro was getting her info from Clarko’s management and it has proven to be correct, it stands to reason there is a solid and factual link between Carlton and Clarko.

It certainly smells like something is cooking

 

[Hands On]

Perhaps I'm too young to know. But why are people so vehemently against a role for gary ayres?

A bit of a dinosaur, his playing nick name was Conan (after Conan the Barbarian) and had the same IQ

 

[gab213]

A bit of a dinosaur, his playing nick name was Conan (after Conan the Barbarian) and had the same IQ

Have you ever met him to make an assessment of his IQ?

 

[Hands On]

Have you ever met him to make an assessment of his IQ?

No I haven't, A bit of a smart us comment really. Judgement made through interviews and press conferences.over the years

 

[sosos]

It certainly smells like something is cooking

Around 6pm on a Sunday? That would be dinner.