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As per the Bluemour File OP, this is a thread for discussing Carlton related rumours. http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/bluemour-file.1085141/ Rumour posters should post their rumours in both threads for those that like just to read rumours and for those that like to have get lost in their...
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Countrybluesthanks2SOS said:
I have a couple of concerns. Firstly, if the cut is 1/3 and it goes for 2 years, rather than one, then the $3M becomes $2.4M, which is a significant drop. The player may not agree. Also, what if the cuts don't apply to a PSD contract? Maybe they will. I might be jumping at shadows. If the figures pan out the way you put them, I guess there is not a huge diff. I am just trying to make sense of OR's suggestion that we cannot afford Saad via PSD, but presumably we can afford him via trade.
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Your first point is what I've been saying - the only risk created by front loading a contract leading into a possible industry-wide salary cut is on the player, not the club.

I can't think of any reason why the one or two players at most who get picked up in the PSD would be exempt to the salary cuts. There's no reason whatsoever to assume that would be the case. It will be industry wide, percentage based, and negotiated with the AFLPA on behalf of the players.

The Saad/Oliver link, as I read it, would be based on our salary cap position for 2021. If we want to get Saad via the PSD, we'd need to structure a heavily front-ended contract to ensure nobody else could afford to pick him up (or doing so would represent too big a risk). In doing so, we probably don't leave enough room in the salary cap for 2021 to pay Oliver what he's earning/worth.

I'm not sure it's as dire as that, but it might be better for our cap, and other players, if we can trade for both. The prospect of just back-ending Oliver's deal would be potentially problematic with our young developing list looking down the barrel of some pay increased for guys like Walsh, McKay, TDK, Curnow etc, expected in the next few years. Front loading is good, because you use cap space you know you have available right now, and free up extra space later. Back-ending by necessity does the opposite. You're putting extra cap pressure on yourself in future years to make sure you fit under the cap now. It causes problems - like those seen at GWS.
 

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HARKER said:
One thing saying, "If you can get me across, I'll come" and a much more difficult thing getting a deal done.
All looks so very difficult on face value, unless Melbourne an Oliver have hit an impasse.

The Viney contract though just somehow makes the whole idea somewhat more feasible.
Maybe Wines wanted to know that Viney won't be picked up elsewhere before he weighed up the idea of coming to Melbourne.

Still though - A senior player going to a club because your mate plays there, is a weird thing....Isn't it?
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Not sure it's that weird anymore. McCarthy and Neale were part of the appeal of both heading to the Lions
 
BringBackSimmo said:
95 games over 8 seasons, doesn't have a great record of getting and staying on the ground.. missed 2 full seasons (2015, 2018). So yeah not really sure the hype either.
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They aren’t going for flags, but the members won’t know that.

Just selling dreams of finals. They’ll fall flat by or before prelims, like us.

Just getting people talking about them.

They’ll rebuild in 3 years.
 
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Dogs rule out bumper deal for star as Saint weighs up THREE offers: Morris
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There are lots of rumours about Clayton Oliver, his management and Melbourne have repeatedly and categorically denied he is going anywhere in the trade period.

It always starts off like that. :)


Arr0w said:
Not sure it's that weird anymore. McCarthy and Neale were part of the appeal of both heading to the Lions
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Ok. Wines was a leader at his club, but now he wants to play where one of his friends plays?

I don't really get it, given that in Melbourne you're never far away from one another. Hell, he can even move in with Viney and play at another club :)
 
Oliver news would be absolutely HUGE if it eventuates...

As long as we don't trade one of the following:

Cripps, Walsh, McKay, TDK (I know we just signed him up), C.Curnow or Weitering I'll be very happy...

Have to think that Kennedy will be gone too... there's no way we're going to play him, Cripps, Oliver and Setters in the same side.

How do we get this done???

Dodoro is an outright prick...

Would have to be something like:

#7 + F-1st -> Oliver
#27 + Kennedy -> Saad

Even then I'm not sure how it'll all play out...

This 4 club trade seems like nonsense to me (sorry RB and yes, I know draft picks will also be involved) I just can't see all 4 clubs agreeing to that.

Fantasia + #7 -> Port FOR Wines + #26
Wines + #45 -> Melb FOR Oliver
Oliver + Saad + *F-2nd -> Blues FOR #7 + F-1st + #45 + Kennedy
Kennedy + Blues F-1st + #26 -> * FOR Fantasia + Saad + F-2nd

Yeah something like that just doesn't seem realistic especially with outright prick involved...
 
The Greek Freak said:
Doesn't mean GWS wouldn't want to trade up with them, doesn't have to be Geelong
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Depends what happens though We would be looking to trade 7 for 13 and 18 but if Geelong trade 11 & 13 to GWS for Cameron GWS aren't going to trade 11 & 13 for 7 and the Cats only have 18 left.
 

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smashbox gill said:
I agree with you, they will ask for that but we will say no. If that's the case then no deal will get done.
It will be very hard to get the deal done, however if Melbourne are trying to get Ben Brown, Issac Smith the clubs they are trading with would prefer picks.
If they are targeting Wines, port not so much.
If we can give Melbourne the picks they need to get their targets it could work.
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Yeah there is no chance we trade one of our KP players they are the backbone of our rebuild and the one area we have a great advantage in over other rebuilding/climbing teams, up forward especially and Weiters in defence of course, I doubt Melbourne would think any such claim would be realistic in a trade for Oliver, will need to be picks/ future picks and other players less vital to our structure.
 
Blue__Balls said:
So:

7, 27, 45, future first, Stocker
for
Oliver, Saad, 59

Think we get bent over there.

Would rather do 7, 27 and future first for Oliver and 23, then 23 and Kennedy or JSOS for Saad.

Or 7 and 27 for 13, 18 and 34. Then 13 and future first for Oliver and 18 for Saad.
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Why squabble over some here nor there picks to think you won the trade, just get it done!!
 
HARKER said:
www.foxsports.com.au

MORRIS: Dogs rule out bumper deal for star as Saint weighs up three offers

Dogs rule out bumper deal for star as Saint weighs up THREE offers: Morris
www.foxsports.com.au www.foxsports.com.au

There are lots of rumours about Clayton Oliver, his management and Melbourne have repeatedly and categorically denied he is going anywhere in the trade period.

It always starts off like that. :)




Ok. Wines was a leader at his club, but now he wants to play where one of his friends plays?

I don't really get it, given that in Melbourne you're never far away from one another. Hell, he can even move in with Viney and play at another club :)
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I liked this line

But even if he requests a trade, the Western Bulldogs would reject it immediately on the basis that the 23-year-old is not only a highly rated player, but a leadership group member and a respected person.

Are they saying Dunkley would no longer be a respected person if he joined * LOL
 
BluesRule said:
I liked this line

But even if he requests a trade, the Western Bulldogs would reject it immediately on the basis that the 23-year-old is not only a highly rated player, but a leadership group member and a respected person.

Are they saying Dunkley would no longer be a respected person if he joined * LOL
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:tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy:
 
gbatman said:
Fisher, SPS, Cuningham not good enough (not tough and physical enough) to play in the center. We'd give up too much contested ball going the other way. Would lose more than we would gain. It's up to these guys to prove they have stepped up and earn a spot in the center and they didn't do that this year.

Martin played there when not battling injury and played well. Gibbons is a high half forward, plus 1 or extra mid, what ever term you wish to use. No value rotating a player in that role through the center however he may have been useful if we changed his role, then we'd have to find someone to replace him as a high half forward...

Walsh is considerably tougher and has a greater physical game than the other mentioned players (bar martin and gibbons) and that is how he is able to play midfield. His attack on the ball is miles and miles ahead. That's what it comes down to.

If you hold back at all and aren't relentlessly physical you have no chance at becoming a decent midfielder at AFL level, you'll just be a liability. Skill is only half the requirement for playing midfield which many of our young guys have but they lack the other part and that needs to come from mental and physical maturity for them. For Walsh it comes naturally.

Just got to hope we recruit the right players and the young ones step up for next season.
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I like and agree with a lot of what you have said, i just see it differently particularly with Fisher and Cunners playing greater roles through there, hopefully time will tell...
 
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