Bluemour Melting Pot XXVI

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As per the Bluemour File OP, this is a thread for discussing Carlton related rumours.
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[NavySteel]

Is anyone suggesting a future first and LOB for Oliver? Don't think that's been offered up at all.

Something like 13, 16 and LOB for Oliver and a future second would be a decent starting point, I'd think. They can ask for McKay, but McKay has to agree to go there, which he's not going to do on short notice, while contracted, without having had time to sit down with his manager and go through all the ramifications it would have.

Flip it. Hypothetical here, nobody go losing your sh*t thinking I'm actually suggesting we should do this.

- Charlie Curnow

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wants out to Geelong.
- Geelong offer up 11, 16 and Narkle.
- We'd much rather Dangerfield and Stewart. Those two tell us to piss off, they'd rather stay where they are.
- We can either keep Charlie, hope he turns it around, but potentially lose him next year for less.
- Or we can take 11, 16 and Narkle. Package 8 and 11 for Merrett with a too good to refuse offer. Use 16 on Saad. We can field a better than decent forward line with some combination of McKay, Casboult, Gov and TDK. We walk away down a Charlie, but up Merrett, Saad and Narkle.

It wouldn't be the "perfect" result. But it would be making the most of a shitty situation.

Which is what I'm hoping Melbourne will do. They're not a particularly strong-willed club on the field. Taking a disgruntled premium player into 2021 could easily cause more problems for them and result in another horribly inconsistent year. Instead, they should look to remove the potentially destabilising influence in Oliver and turn it to their advantage by addressing other areas of need (key forward, outside run).

It was more to temper the expectations during a trade for Oliver. I think a few posters here think we can get away with offering a first and trimming the list fat, or offer up potential over bona fide starting 22 talent.

It depends how deep the sore is with Oliver and Melbourne at the moment. If picks for Melbourne can be on-traded to somewhere else for a replacement, that's the best possible scenario for us.

 

[blue healer]

But the problem is, we aren't Hawthorn.. plus Oliver is going to cost more than either 10 + a future 2nd or 14 + 52 (+ 57 in return).

Don't disagree but if we really want to do it there are a number of different ways and I'd suggest that we'd leave no stone unturned.

 

[Brezsa]

Which makes no sense to me - no one on our list or Oliver would be willing to take a bit less in the next couple of years to get more in the back end.

We also had ITK's saying Oliver is a smokescreen.

Players are already going to take a pay cut. So you want to go to them and say “hey guys we need another 10%”

Players will also see money disappear from Oliver coming as well.

Carlton probably don’t want to take the risk

 

[KohPhi]

Bloody hope we're into Dunkley..

I think the pertinent question should be 'is Dunkley into us?"

 

[Macca43]

Players are already going to take a pay cut. So you want to go to them and say “hey guys we need another 10%”

Players will also see money disappear from Oliver coming as well.

Carlton probably don’t want to take the risk

Its not a pay cut, its a deferral, Cripps loses $100k now gets $120k in 2 years.

Geelong would get it done.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Come on, where's the teams...................

 

[Macca43]

Don't forget EFC have the pick before us in the PSD..... Pretty sure Dodo would be reminding Austin about that as part of his negotiating strategy. EFC is happy to keep players at the club who don't want to be there. Just ask Daniher and Fantasia. It doesn't cost them anything if he walks away from his PSD contract and would hurt Carlton as we wouldn't get him for another year.

So the bag him out for not being a team player then pay him big dollars to re-draft him out of spite? Not going to happen.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

If our two firsts are on the table for Oliver, could Melbourne potentially get #2 from North as part of their Brown/Polec dealings?

 

[HBF]

Come on, where's the teams...................

Has Thy hacked your account?

 

[gab213]

So the bag him out for not being a team player then pay him big dollars to re-draft him out of spite? Not going to happen.

The story about him not being a team player was obviously BS. You don't finish in the top positions of a BNF in consecutive years if the coaches who vote for the award don't think you're playing the way they want you to.

 

[Pablito]

If LOB is the middle or bottom of packs, we are doing the football thing completely wrong. Not every player needs to be Cripps and before you try and wheel out the "needs to go when it is his turn" rubbish, he already does. Kid is 75kgs wringing wet at 20 years old, give him a chance to bulk up, ffs.

LOB is an elite runner and has very good disposal, he should be hanging near packs, not in them, so that the quick handball finds a runner who can deliver a ball with precision. That is his best spot and what the club seem to have been training into him. The key is the forwards trusting he can kick it where no one else can and leading to that spot. Already several examples of his kick being too good for the leading player who hesitated then missed where it landed because they had slowed. Not used to the ball being delivered to where it should be, not where the player is as it is kicked. Kicks to advantage instinctively, reckon we have proven repeatedly that this cannot be taught to elite levels unless it is at least partly natural.

Hope no one on the open market wants him, he will be exactly what we want on a wing next season and beyond. That left foot ...

Agreed with a lot of what you're saying, I'm not assuming he needs to be Cripps, he just needs to be better than Newnes, who is holding him out right now.
When push comes to shove Newnes doesn't shirk the contest and can stick a tackle. Lob is the better user and probably a better runner. But there's no point if you can't at least win some of your own footy. Players who are solely uncontested and are successful in the league are few and far between.

 

[lex3191]

We should lure Ben McKay

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from Norf... Get him to swap names with Harry. Trade the new Harry to the Dees for Oliver, then play the new Ben in our forward line.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Has Thy hacked your account?

Thy will tell me when Thy has hacked my account......

 

[BrownDog20]

Which makes no sense to me - no one on our list or Oliver would be willing to take a bit less in the next couple of years to get more in the back end.

We also had ITK's saying Oliver is a smokescreen.

1 poster mentioned this and they also said he was a smokescreen as we are signing JDG which is not true.

 

[Pablito]

We should lure Ben McKay

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2.7

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1.7

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77.2

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7.5

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4.5

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3.0

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2.5

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1.5

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88.5

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7.0

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3.4

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3.6

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2.4

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2.0

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MG

67.8

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from Norf... Get him to swap names with Harry. Trade the new Harry to the Dees for Oliver, then play the new Ben in our forward line.

Go full Parent Trap on the league, I like it.

 

[Motsfan]

You’ve just shot Bambi.Seriously Ed?


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I love Ed, but you want quality, they’re gonna want a little quality back.


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[mochacinolatte]

The irony of keeping it "quiet" about Oliver, then people who read the rumour spread it on the facebook pages and call in trade radio

 

[Jabba73]

Not al all.

Let's say it's 2020 #16, 2021 #10, 2021 3nd rounder...

Nothing stops them from packaging up one or more of those picks for one player or a better pick etc.

No doubt they could. In their position, I would tell us to do the packaging up and give the better pick without needing to do extra work.

For example, I would tell the Blues to package up next years first and something to get another first rounder this year or the first pick from Norf, Cows, Swans, Suns next season and back them in to finish low enough to make it a top 10 pick.

Unless they had other trades in mind, can’t see why they would be happy to do the heavy lifting.

 

[WeninRome]

That means they need to find two more players to dump off their list (Oliver +2) for the 3 coming in.

Are you sure they want to do that? More likely they ask us to trade player + pick for a better pick so they only have 2 incoming list spots, not 3.

Two firsts pretty much gets anyone done.....add steak knives if necessary. Or pick swaps.

Maybe if they were high firsts.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

So * are trying to turn:
- Daniher, Fantasia and Saad
Into:
- Dunkley, Caldwell and ??

It seems do-able if Dodo attempts to be reasonable for a change.


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[El Topo]

I’d be having a chat to Ed Curnow. He’d be a walk up start in the Dees 22, and Oliver would most likely kick him out of our midfield somewhat. Ed plus a first round pick would be reasonable compo.


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Sounds like a good way to lose Charlie when his contract is up, tbh

 

[HBF]

Thy will tell me when Thy has hacked my account......

He sure will....

 

[SurreyBlue]

Not saying that the club haven't possibly contributed to his situation negatively, however these boys have come through junior footy with attributes that have taken them to the top or close to the top of the heap but it doesn't make them an all round footballer. See Jack Watts, was taller and faster than everyone else at junior level, comes in at number 1 and then has to play real footy against men.

LOB has obviously had to work on things the club sees as not up to senior level standard and to date he hasn't hit the mark. Guys around him have moved ahead and guys have been brought in that play his position to add more pressure.

Cut throat professional sport.

Agree. Absolutely but his performance against Adelaide smelt. He looked disinterested and broken. That wasn't talent, that was phycological.

 

[mochacinolatte]

I’d be having a chat to Ed Curnow. He’d be a walk up start in the Dees 22, and Oliver would most likely kick him out of our midfield somewhat. Ed plus a first round pick would be reasonable compo.


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Yeah, try again.

 

[Macca43]

1 poster mentioned this and they also said he was a smokescreen as we are signing JDG which is not true.

Exactly - ITK's aren't infallible, they relay the information they have which they believe to be true at the time, sometimes their source is wrong, sometimes this situation changes, sometimes they aren't really ITK and sometimes they are on the money.