Bluemour Melting Pot XXVI

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As per the Bluemour File OP, this is a thread for discussing Carlton related rumours.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/bluemour-file.1085141/

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[Thrall]

There has been a lot of work done by Carlton, Saad and his management team to talk sense into the Saad deal. They’ve talked it down from 8 + (one of our under 22 year old first rounders) to working around us getting some change from Pick 8.
It’s at a tricky impasse at the moment. Daniher getting band 1 compo means any offer we make to split our pick 8 with Geelong or Brisbane can now be trumped by Essendon. The club is acutely aware of how negotiations went with Papley and Martin last year, and there is growing sentiment that when you convince a player to come, you need to make sure it happens smoothly, otherwise there are fears players and managers won’t want to work with us in the future.
As it stands the deal will have pick 8 going to the bombers with change yet to be agreed upon.

If you beg a bloke to come, then say nah e aren't paying pick 8, we just look like idiots. I'd be preparing ourselves for pick 8 to go to the filthy scum.

To add context, we have offered him a 5 year deal at around 3 million dollars. Debate the merits of that all you like, but it sends a message that we want him badly and we will have to pay accordingly.

If you have ever done any sort of high level deals or negotiations, you will understand this. If we try to pay less and say nah he aint worth that, the easiest and most simple retort is "obviously you don't value him".

Good or bad, we don't have a leg to stand on

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Just give pick and be done with it all.

 

[SurreyBlue]

There has been a lot of work done by Carlton, Saad and his management team to talk sense into the Saad deal. They’ve talked it down from 8 + (one of our under 22 year old first rounders) to working around us getting some change from Pick 8.
It’s at a tricky impasse at the moment. Daniher getting band 1 compo means any offer we make to split our pick 8 with Geelong or Brisbane can now be trumped by Essendon. The club is acutely aware of how negotiations went with Papley and Martin last year, and there is growing sentiment that when you convince a player to come, you need to make sure it happens smoothly, otherwise there are fears players and managers won’t want to work with us in the future.
As it stands the deal will have pick 8 going to the bombers with change yet to be agreed upon.

If that is the deal - Disgraceful negotiating by our club. This admin will truly lose me for ever. Come at me, I have no problem being right again.

 

[camcanchris]

There has been a lot of work done by Carlton, Saad and his management team to talk sense into the Saad deal. They’ve talked it down from 8 + (one of our under 22 year old first rounders) to working around us getting some change from Pick 8.
It’s at a tricky impasse at the moment. Daniher getting band 1 compo means any offer we make to split our pick 8 with Geelong or Brisbane can now be trumped by Essendon. The club is acutely aware of how negotiations went with Papley and Martin last year, and there is growing sentiment that when you convince a player to come, you need to make sure it happens smoothly, otherwise there are fears players and managers won’t want to work with us in the future.
As it stands the deal will have pick 8 going to the bombers with change yet to be agreed upon.

Why would it matter if Essendon trump us and trade their pick with Geelong for two firsts? We just ask for one of those pick as the 'steak knives' for pick 8.
It works out as the same deal as if we had split the pick ourselves.

 

[TheKITC]

Uh oh, Austin about to be hammered on here I feel...

What happened?

 

[Stickitupthem]

The Daniher compensation was consistent with the contract he has received. This wasn’t a generous move by AFL house, but a generous decision made by Brisbane to find a way they could get Daniher without trading. Big risk taken by them.

Thx for the info really appreciated

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

What happened?

Going off of 43’s comment

 

[Blue Pulse]

If one has to use such a shitty metaphor, that's about as safe a version of it as can be imagined.

Yep, really went out on a limb there

 

[Thrall]

Uh oh, Austin about to be hammered on here I feel...

If that's the case it just shows people don't understand trading or doing deals....

It needs to be looked at holistically, players see it and say, ok I am confident nominating Carlton they will get the deal done.
Why do you think Oliver hasn't publicly nominated us yet?

 

[skadoosh]

If you beg a bloke to come, then say nah e aren't paying pick 8, we just look like idiots. I'd be preparing ourselves for pick 8 to go to the filthy scum.

To add context, we have offered him a 5 year deal at around 3 million dollars. Debate the merits of that all you like, but it sends a message that we want him badly and we will have to pay accordingly.

If you have ever done any sort of high level deals or negotiations, you will understand this. If we try to pay less and say nah he aint worth that, the easiest and most simple retort is "obviously you don't value him".

Good or bad, we don't have a leg to stand on

Really? Because we want him * automatically has the upper hand in negotiations?

 

[Jabba73]

If you beg a bloke to come, then say nah e aren't paying pick 8, we just look like idiots. I'd be preparing ourselves for pick 8 to go to the filthy scum

Only if the player is worth pick 8. Not convinced an out of contract back pocket is worth that much.

Just because we have it, doesn’t mean they should be able to demand it. If we only had pick 18, would * still be demanding pick 8 or are they just being lazy and asking for our first pick regardless of its value?

Just give pick and be done with it all.

Exactly the outcome * are hoping for

 

[FairKouta]

Dodo can huff and puff all he wants but if he wants dunkley he will need our pick and either we get a late first or a future second rounder anything other than that would be a fail.

 

[Thrall]

Really? Because we want him * automatically has the upper hand in negotiations?

ummm, yes? You can't see that? We offered a player of theirs 3 million over 5 years.

 

[Blugazi]

I can live with Martin, Williams, Saad & an early second rounder for Pick 8.

 

[BringBackSimmo]

Just give pick and be done with it all.

Can't make it easy for them.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

It’s at a tricky impasse at the moment. Daniher getting band 1 compo means any offer we make to split our pick 8 with Geelong or Brisbane can now be trumped by Essendon

So whatever ESS get from Brisbane/Geelong can be the change to 8, or we deal with the other club.
Of course until a deal is actually done they can counter any move we make "in theory".
Might need to get creative with another club?

 

[Zlatan]

Just give pick and be done with it all.

At this stage, I’m happy with 8 for Saad + change.

Saad improves this team now. We need to make finals this year and in all likelihood, pick 8 won’t help us achieve this.

How much more attractive do we become to FA’s etc next year after making the finals? Much more.

I know people will jump up and down about this, but we’re loaded with kids at the moment, and we don’t need anymore (at the moment). Get the player.

 

[Crippablues]

Yes

Yes we would 100% but the problem is that the Bummers want 8 plus a player. That is a long way off from your suggestion

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[Thrall]

Only if the player is worth pick 8. Not convinced an out of contract back pocket is worth that much.

Just because we have it, doesn’t mean they should be able to demand it. If we only had pick 18, would * still be demanding pick 8 or are they just being lazy and asking for our first pick regardless of its value?


Exactly the outcome * are hoping for

Let me give you the tip.....If we somehow miss Saad, and he ends up in the draft or stuck at Essendon after he has publicly come out, backed us, and said I want Carlton, then good luck getting anyone to nominate us going forward.

2 years in a row of humiliating players

 

[Blueboyjay]

Why do you think Oliver hasn't publicly nominated us yet?

Because he's contracted?

 

[Crippablues]

Totally agree on the point about convincing players to join.

Surely before we even spoke to Saad we must have been prepared for this trade.

I’d be horrified if I was Saad and publicly announced I was leaving only to have club say ‘sorry mate. Can’t do the trade ‘.

Do they have a future second ?


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They do have a future 2nd im sure but they want 8 and a player

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[reubsblues]

Id happily give pick 8 if we get a couple of pick upgrades in our favour because we can always use those picks to buy back into the first round or even get an extra first round next yr
I honestly don't care if we didn't have a pick in this yrs draft

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Yes we would 100% but the problem is that the Bummers want 8 plus a player. That is a long way off from your suggestion

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Not according to Forty3

 

[Stickitupthem]

Che sera sera whatever will be will be
All I know is we are about to have 2 deadset guns join us filling 2 major holes and letting all players know we’re open for business like Geelong do play fair and hard and smart

 

[buzzaaaah]

That stinks.

I doesn't take a lot of work to get "8 and a U22 1st rounder" to "8 with a return", because the first deal was unrealistic.

A pick in the mid teens to low 20s is fair to both sides.

We need to be willing to walk away from here.

I'll take the hit to our reputation because everyone knows dealing with Dodo is a nightmare. Nobody thinks less of Sydney after the Daniher fiasco last year.

Push him to the PSD. Put a 2 year deal with high dollars, Essendon can pay through the teeth for a player who doesnt want to be there.