Bluemour Melting Pot XXVII

[Matty411]

Retire 6 and 8 for a season out of respect.

Williams 16
Saad 42
Fogarty 37 (if he earns if, give him a jump up the order in 2022)

 

[ParapMarkets]

The lack of progress of Dow and Lob is a big reason our strategy is being opened up a bit by observers. Had these two come on as expected relative to their draft group we would be banging the door down from that age bracket perspective. Cunningham and SPS on top add to that 'not quite landed yet' group. Thats 4 top 10 picks (Cunners close enough) that have not performed yet to their draft position would expect. You look at the top 10 of Dow and Lob's draft and we have managed to pick the 2 strugglers to this point unfortunately. Not saying it can't change just hasn't yet.

Yeah we need more, no doubt. If one or two of the young midfielder high draft picks can go on to become gun players we will be a genuine contender. That 2017 was looking like a pretty poor draft prior to this year, but several within that top 10 had very good development years. Hopefully Dow can come on next year, in fairness several players in that top 10 who are now considered well above him weren’t really ahead of him at the start of the year. He was injured pretty much all year, hopefully he can have a big preseason and come on strong next year for us.

 

[Arr0w]

Agree with these. Less so point 3.

Apologies if it’s already been said. But in terms of keeping players at clubs and also keeping players in the system longer. I was a huge fan of the reduction in salary cap usage for veterans. I can’t remember the specifics but I feel like it was 10 years service at one club means only half the players wage counts towards the cap.

Would mean player retention would be higher as players know they might get better offers late in their career if they are one club players.
Also means less pressure for great players to be forced off lists. Simpson for example may have gone on if he knew his wage wasn’t hurting our cap as much.


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I think that reduction is already in place?

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[Aphrodite]

Grand Sale, Grand Sale!

 

[Blutopia]

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Grand Sale, Grand Sale!

The question nearly made me piss myself... the look on Eddie’s face nearly made me shit myself laughing! Absolute gold. POTY!

 

[ParapMarkets]

Agree with these. Less so point 3.

Apologies if it’s already been said. But in terms of keeping players at clubs and also keeping players in the system longer. I was a huge fan of the reduction in salary cap usage for veterans. I can’t remember the specifics but I feel like it was 10 years service at one club means only half the players wage counts towards the cap.

Would mean player retention would be higher as players know they might get better offers late in their career if they are one club players.
Also means less pressure for great players to be forced off lists. Simpson for example may have gone on if he knew his wage wasn’t hurting our cap as much.


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Whilst I agree with you that it’s an excellent concept, it inevitably leads to less player movement and the AFL wants more drama and movement so it’s not really any chance of happening again.

 

[ParapMarkets]

I think that reduction is already in place?

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I didn’t realise there was still something in place for this?
Is that still going?
I don’t really understand how the system works from that article, but it would be great if there was some leeway for some of the older players.

 

[Del9Sep24]

600k over 5 for each of them is not that cheap.


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For Trelor that’s a bargain

 

[GoBlues!]

The lack of progress of Dow and Lob is a big reason our strategy is being opened up a bit by observers.

You look at the top 10 of Dow and Lob's draft and we have managed to pick the 2 strugglers to this point unfortunately. Not saying it can't change just hasn't yet.

Dow and LOB strugglers?....2020 was certainly a write off for guys playing 2nds coming back from injury or trying to find form.

Also Bolton’s strategy of throwing these guys into the deep end in their first year, hasn’t helped their development in hindsight. I think the Club’s coaches and development program should also be accountable and may be a factor in their progress.

 

[katmanblue]

Retire 6 and 8 for a season out of respect.

Williams 16
Saad 42
Fogarty 37 (if he earns if, give him a jump up the order in 2022)

Williams can have 29 if Polson is delisted

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Williams 16
Saad 42
Fogarty 37 (if he earns if, give him a jump up the order in 2022)

IF Polson is one to be cut, then perhaps Williams might stick with 29.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Williams can have 29 if Polson is delisted

HA! I'm your echo.

 

[reubs1066]

Heads up. This kid is a player - this kid has it.

Compared to our kids from the same draft, this lad is miles ahead.

A 4 flag Blue.

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[Dramoth]

Jordon Gallucci delisted by Adelaide.

 

[Aphrodite]

Jordon Gallucci delisted by Adelaide.

Thanks Sandra Sully.

 

[DrTrain]

Is it time for the draft yet?

 

[CFCtragic]

I think it needs to go back to preventative measures.

1. Draftees should be signed to 3-year initial deal and or a decreasing scale, trades should only take place if both parties agree

2. Abolish PSD

3 RFA - Acquiring club pays 50% of the compensation, coming off their first live pick

AFL still get their yearly meat market, while having more protective measures

1 and 2 Agree completely.

As for free agency (3), NO compensation what so ever, but RFA only 75% of wage should count towards the cap, for FA only 50% should count. If players choose to leave then they should be available to the highest bidder. It's the club's issue if they can't keep their players with that incentive.

 

[Mike D]

Retire 6 and 8 for a season out of respect.

Williams 16
Saad 42
Fogarty 37 (if he earns if, give him a jump up the order in 2022)

Exactly my thinking Matty411

 

[BAZZMAN]

Football players with any luck......................

good ones.

you brain surgon ?

 

[gab213]

STOP IT!

We all know that you know it's a single n but ffs every time I see it written that way it reads as "kyoo-ners"

The addition of the 'ers' after the 'Cun' dictates that the extra 'n' has to be added to be able to pronounce it
in a way that it's similar to Runners.

So yeah Arow, STOP IT, drives me mad too

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Literally no one:

Carlton board on Bigfooty: you've got to give a huge thank you to SOS...

The reality is SOS and Dodoro have earned reputations for their hardnosed approaches to negotiations which has seen them miss on some targets - hence the comparison, whereas Austin has been labelled soft or weak for accepting less back than what the armchair experts determined was warranted given our outlay for Saad.
Wells has long been considered to be reasonably generous in his dealings and is considered to have the approach of getting the right players into his club rather than worrying about winning deals at the negotiating table.
I wouldn't mind if Austin shared a similar approach if it leads our club to further success for which both SOS & Austin would deservingly receive their praises.

Horses for courses.

Remember when all the talk was a second rounder and Josh Walker for Henderson?

Getting an early 2nd rounder for Bell?

When we needed to get multiple picks in, we needed that hard approach to unload our own currency.

Carlton didn't miss targets because of SOS. We missed targets because we were poor on field and our trajectory wasn't clear.

The McGovern trade was the one where a required player saw something in our club. Setterfield jumped on quickly and the next year Jack Martin

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186cm

Wt

82kg

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D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

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6.3

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M

4.9

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T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

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HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

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1.1

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D

8.2

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4.6

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3.6

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1.8

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saw it too.

Credit to Marchbank for getting in even earlier based on a young list alone.

It's easier for players to jump on now. Some of the youth is jumping up and claiming star status. Weiters and Walsh for example.

We have defenders. We have forwards. We have rucks. Saad is getting his preferred role as one of the final touches. Williams the same thing.

 

[gab213]

Its a shame the system is so rubbish that it allows these things to happen. If they made rookie deals longer eg 5 years and the a player could sign anywhere it would solve a lot of these issues. Get rid of all the compensation picks, academy's and FS rubbish as well.

That said, and it was a point of topic this week with Saad, if you poach a player, get them to verbally commit then they should be brought in. * are always tight arse scum with this, and hopefully player managers dont encourage their clients to go there.

The only part of this I can't agree with is abolishing the Father/Son Picks, there still must be some room in football for tradition and sentiment.

 

[Arr0w]

1 and 2 Agree completely.

As for free agency (3), NO compensation what so ever, but RFA only 75% of wage should count towards the cap, for FA only 50% should count. If players choose to leave then they should be available to the highest bidder. It's the club's issue if they can't keep their players with that incentive.

Couple of ways you could tinker FA compensation without restricting players moving to a club of choice

I think the acquiring club paying 50% of the compensation, with the exception of non finalists could be also seen as a better equalization method

Take the Corr to North scenario

Given they finished outside the 8, it's a free hit. But if Corr wanted to head to the Saints, they need to cough up 50% of the compensation

Or, similar to the above, but a sliding scale. Bottom 3 clubs 0%, next 3 20% and so on until the top 3-4 clubs pay the majority of the compensation

 

[BigBreakfast]

Dow and LOB strugglers?....2020 was certainly a write off for guys playing 2nds coming back from injury or trying to find form.

Also Bolton’s strategy of throwing these guys into the deep end in their first year, hasn’t helped their development in hindsight. I think the Club’s coaches and development program should also be accountable and may be a factor in their progress.

Good call on the Bolton stuff. Other than Barker, we have had a complete overhaul though. I’d say that’s holding to account.

 

[Arr0w]

The addition of the 'ers' after the 'Cun' dictates that the extra 'n' has to be added to be able to pronounce it
in a way that it's similar to Runners.

So yeah Arow, STOP IT, drives me mad too

I wonn't