Bluemour Melting Pot XXVIII

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Yeah - nah.

There are two researchers involved in this saga - and the initial research did involve captives with the second wild. The first researcher did in fact raise the idea of the Alpha pair, which was basically true for the captive animals, but the result of pairing while young. The second researcher also used poor nomenclature with Alpha - but this was directed at them being the "leaders".

They were in fact just the "parents" - of their own children with some three year olds still hanging around. Thats it. Nothing special. Just mum and dad with the kids. Are they Alpha ? Well yeah. Were the capitves ones in a hierarchy ? Absolutely. Are we in captivity or wild?

The take away here however is not that this DISPROVES the Alpha male theory - it does not - as it (Alpha) generally comes much more from psychology and humans ( Übermensch) where OF COURSE Alpha males exist across many different species from birds (pecking order) lions, hyenas, Elephants, bees and much more related to humans Apes and Monkeys - you name it. Its very real and very true, including humans.

Further the reason the person wanted it cleared up was not because it was a false concept for broader understanding outside of wolves vis-a-vis humans etc - but rather because it was hindering how dogs were being trained.

Holy smoke people take things down some wild roads some times.

You don’t often come across Nietzsche on football forum, but I think you may have used ubermensch out of context. While The term should be applied to a notional rejection of subservient morality it is more an embrace of creative affirmation. Moral relativism ? Perhaps, but not necessarily in the subjugation of another’s agency or the imposition of what you call a pecking order. Indeed, the will is more the conscious rejection of societally constructed values to arrive at “greatness”.

Sorry to be “that” guy but while I am not familiar with the research you refer to, Nietzsche misuse is a bit of a trigger.

Anyway, carry on.
 

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In the wild, the Alpha male leads the pack from behind, he protects the pack from every direction whilst protecting from the rear, all threats are visible to the Alpha and can he make adjustments and call out about any danger.
The weakest and eldest set the pace.
Here it is in picture form, the blue arrow is the Alpha.
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This thread really does have it all.
 
Lol. Fans like you seriously underestimate David Teague and his mental strength and emotional maturity.

He is far far stronger than what he appears to be.

As someone who flies off the handle every time I misplace my wallet, I envy Teague and his extraordinary stoicism and self-restraint in The coaching box. It is not sign of a weakness, quite the opposite in fact.

The bloke checklist:
Keys, sunnies, wallet and these days the bloody phone.
I know someone so bad his list has to include t-shirt and thongs.
It has no borders, internationally an issue.
Back to the tea leaves, the approach to Leppitsch may come to a dead end, after his comments on the players speaking out of school on fox afl. He reckons the media squealer from the playing group would be 'first one out'.
Not knowing the circumstances I lean towards that point of view.
 
My thoughts exactly - 10 pages of debate about wolves and alpha males

Could not give a fu** if our next coach was an alpha male or not. Give me someone who can coach footy. Someone proven, who can make immediate impact.
What about a wolf? I could really get on-board with a wolf for a coach.

Wonder what Michael J Fox is up to these days.
 

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The bloke checklist:
Keys, sunnies, wallet and these days the bloody phone.
I know someone so bad his list has to include t-shirt and thongs.
It has no borders, internationally an issue.
Back to the tea leaves, the approach to Leppitsch may come to a dead end, after his comments on the players speaking out of school on fox afl. He reckons the media squealer from the playing group would be 'first one out'.
Not knowing the circumstances I lean towards that point of view.
I think he’s CV might have just got dropped in the shredder, accidentally on purpose.
 
Nasty streak or white line fever?
Looks a bit more like white line fever. He seems to have tempered it a bit at training. I can’t wait to see what another preseason does for him.
 
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