Bluemour Melting Pot XXVIII

[FairKouta]

They have Nik Cox. Seriously , That kid can be anything he wants

The 200cm wingman ?

 

[The Return of the Paf]

We gave up an unlisted state league player. There is absolutely nothing to suggest we would have taken McAdam had we been able to keep that access.

Who we would have chosen with any draft pick means bugger all considering we are talking about whether mistakes have been made. As long as a player was in the draft pool and available to us, it's relevant.

 

[Blue Heart]

-Williams when his body is right is at least a top 5 half back flanker, 800k is premium money but no draft picks is a win

-Martin, was very good last year, keeps doing his calf, when you consider the contract was front loaded and no draft pick @700k I count it as a win

-Saad, very good player but at 650k plus pick 8 when we already have Doc, Newman, Williamson and Williams to play half back. I don't like it, pick 8 is a huge price to pay

McGovern, effectively pick 13 and 800k, trash deal

I don't like to be negative but unless Doc. lifts his defensive game and starts tackling and pressuring more, and stops dropping chest marks, 2022 Captain or not, most likely will be his last year.

TBH he has barely been worth his game so far this season.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

A players performance and price is always relevant. Had we paid pick 8 for fogarty his performance would be viewed differently as he is now.

And how is it relevant years later? This has been done to death

 

[Juddernaut08]

And how is it relevant years later? This has been done to death

yeah fair enough

 

[HereComesJuddy]

The problem is that he is getting paid big $ for either being injured or not performing as it potentially restricts us from targeting other players of need, probably not a issue if the big contract $ were not attached.

We know.
And you're hoping to gain what from rehashing a theme that has gone on for years now?

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

The 200cm wingman ?

He reminds me a lot of Kepler Bradley... he was flashy at times as well.

 

[Dramoth]

The problem is that he is getting paid big $ for either being injured or not performing as it potentially restricts us from targeting other players of need, probably not a issue if the big contract $ were not attached.

Do you know what is meant by front loading a contract? It means the majority of their contract is paid in the first year or two and then there contract drops down to a more manageable value in the later years so that the club has money to spend on free agents and trade targets down the track. Gov has been on our list for a couple of years now… so he isn’t getting the huge money people thinks he is.

Back ending a contract is the reverse and frees up money immediately for more players.

Ideally, if you’re a smart list manager, and you have 3 needs players you want to sign, one is front loaded with 60% of his 5 year salary paid in the first 2 years, one is signed with 60% of his salary paid in the last 2 years of his contract, and the third gets 70% paid in the middle 3 years of his contract.

The AFL doesn’t care how you pay the players so long as the money fits into the salary cap and the TPP each year.

 

[Blue_Steel89]

Gov in full flight has low possessions but a goal kicker . Continuity is the problem with gov . I mean ******* rest him then test him. Then access ...


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Gov also ranked elite a couple years ago for goal assists.
Yes it's important for forwards to kick goals, but it's just as important setting them up. Noone speaks about that though which is unfortunate.

 

[norway blue]

Gov also ranked elite a couple years ago for goal assists.
Yes it's important for forwards to kick goals, but it's just as important setting them up. Noone speaks about that though which is unfortunate.

Not discounting his 12 touch presence. Couple of goals and assists is good. And his down the line and field kicking is good. But can’t stay on and get continuity. That’s the problem. That’s why I said rest him for the year


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[Blue_Steel89]

Not discounting his 12 touch presence. Couple of goals and assists is good. And his down the line and field kicking is good. But can’t stay on and get continuity. That’s the problem. That’s why I said rest him for the year


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Yeah I agree mate.
I was actually pretty excited for him to get some consistency this year after a good pre-season but unfortunately, as always, his body let him down. I couldn't imagine how frustrating it would be for him as well.

 

[Dramoth]

Not discounting his 12 touch presence. Couple of goals and assists is good. And his down the line and field kicking is good. But can’t stay on and get continuity. That’s the problem. That’s why I said rest him for the year


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That’s what we should have done with Kreuzer in 2011 or Laidler in 2012… but some arseh*le with his fingers buried in the club pushes and suddenly the medical staff fall over themselves to declare a player fit. Thankfully, someone had the balls to say no in regards to pushing Charlie to start playing earlier. Gov will be back towards the end of the season… no sense in running him out sooner than next year.

 

[norway blue]

Yeah I agree mate.
I was actually pretty excited for him to get some consistency this year after a good pre-season but unfortunately, as always, his body let him down. I couldn't imagine how frustrating it would be for him as well.

Yeah rest the chap and build him up .


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[norway blue]

That’s what we should have done with Kreuzer in 2011 or Laidler in 2012… but some a-hole with his fingers buried in the club pushes and suddenly the medical staff fall over themselves to declare a player fit. Thankfully, someone had the balls to say no in regards to pushing Charlie to start playing earlier. Gov will be back towards the end of the season… no sense in running him out sooner than next year.

Only the fittest and toughest play . .


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[Dramoth]

Only the fittest and toughest play . .


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True, but we’ve managed to trash a couple of top players because of unrealistic expectations.

 

[norway blue]

Martin , Saad and Zac need continuity together.


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[Wickzki]

Saying we shouldn’t have got Saad because we have Newman is like saying we shouldn’t get Merrett because we have Kennedy.

Rubbish. Saad is what he is. A cream player who relies on being unaccountable to be at his best.

Saad was the wrong type of defender to get. What we needed, in reality, is a lockdown defender. We already had a, largely, unaccountable dashing halfback type in Sam Docherty. As it is, the coaching staff have already realized that you really cannot play both Docherty and Saad in the same backline.

 

[Wickzki]

Re: McGovern

Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow aside, McGovern is the only medium-or-taller forward that we have on the list that demands a defender play on him at all times. I'll dismiss the suggestions of Casboult because the opposition understands that his kicking doesn't hurt them consistently enough regardless of how much improvement he has had from the beginning of his career to now.

Clearly, he has been injured and hasn't lived up to the promise and expectations that we placed on him. Obviously, he needs to shoulder the responsibility placed on his performance. However, I can't help but feel that we've been robbed of the ability to see him play the role that was envisioned for him when he came to the club.

Count me as one of the few who still believe that there is potential there for him to play a significant role when he and Charlie Curnow return. If Charlie comes back remotely close to what he was (let alone what he could be) McGovern will lift so much weight off his (Charlie's) and Harry's shoulders. Potential is there for us to have our best forward line since the '95 season when Sticks, Brad Pearce, and Earl Spalding were at their best.

That Spalding role (to clarify: tertiary target who opens the game up for the other two) is what I envision McGovern playing for us. No expectation for him to kick 45+ goals but to primarily open the game up for the other two and to impact the contest. If he can do that and the three of them can stay fit then it wont be a question of how much McGovern is making to play that role because he'll be worth his weight in gold.

Still holding out hope and have confidence. It all hinges on the three of them staying healthy and not just two of them.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Rubbish. Saad is what he is. A cream player who relies on being unaccountable to be at his best.

Saad was the wrong type of defender to get. What we needed, in reality, is a lockdown defender. We already had a, largely, unaccountable dashing halfback type in Sam Docherty. As it is, the coaching staff have already realized that you really cannot play both Docherty and Saad in the same backline.

Doch does seem a natural wingman though..

 

[Wickzki]

Doch does seem a natural wingman though..

That's fine. He can play both roles comparably well.

We still need a lockdown defender. Have needed one since Tuohy left. I hold that that should have been the target before getting in a Saad but it is what it is.

Stocker should move into the midfield soon, Parks is a third tall.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

That's fine. He can play both roles comparably well.

We still need a lockdown defender. Have needed one since Tuohy left. I hold that that should have been the target before getting in a Saad but it is what it is.

Stocker should move into the midfield soon, Parks is a third tall.

Plowman?

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Re: McGovern

Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow aside, McGovern is the only medium-or-taller forward that we have on the list that demands a defender play on him at all times. I'll dismiss the suggestions of Casboult because the opposition understands that his kicking doesn't hurt them consistently enough regardless of how much improvement he has had from the beginning of his career to now.

Clearly, he has been injured and hasn't lived up to the promise and expectations that we placed on him. Obviously, he needs to shoulder the responsibility placed on his performance. However, I can't help but feel that we've been robbed of the ability to see him play the role that was envisioned for him when he came to the club.

Count me as one of the few who still believe that there is potential there for him to play a significant role when he and Charlie Curnow return. If Charlie comes back remotely close to what he was (let alone what he could be) McGovern will lift so much weight off his (Charlie's) and Harry's shoulders. Potential is there for us to have our best forward line since the '95 season when Sticks, Brad Pearce, and Earl Spalding were at their best.

That Spalding role is what I envision McGovern playing for us. No expectation for him to kick 45+ goals but to primarily open the game up for the other two and to impact the contest. If he can do that and the three of them can stay fit then it wont be a question of how much McGovern is making to play that role because he'll be worth his weight in gold.

Still holding out hope and have confidence. It all hinges on the three of them staying healthy and not just two of them.

Gov has nowhere near the physical presence of The Duke, more suited to the lead up role of a Pearce IMO, albeit they are different types of players

 

[Wickzki]

Plowman?

Plow certainly has a place in the back six. When he makes an error it stands out but on the whole, I believe he's underrated.

Weiters - Jones - Plow - [lockdown defender] - [third tall] - Saad/Doc

What we really need is an improvement over Newman who plays his heart out but isn't quite enough. Right now we're also playing Stocker, Williams, SPS, etc. to plug that hole.

Perhaps that's the role Brodie Kemp will be introduced to moving forward if they envision him being a part of the back six.

 

[Wickzki]

Gov has nowhere near the physical presence of The Duke, more suited to the lead up role of a Pearce IMO, albeit they are different types of players

Different game styles now. Gov would be the tertiary target. Wouldn't be counting on him to kick 3-4 goals every week (e.g. Spalding wasn't needing to kick bags because Sticks and Pearce were). If he can bob up with one or two and open up the game for McKay and Curnow he would be satisfying that role well.

When he's fit, McGov's physicality is underrated. Draws a big-bodied defender on him almost every time. This means you can't double-team McKay or Curnow. Too many of our forward forays are stopped because everyone crashes McKay.

Alleviating the pressure on both is his gig.

 

[Dramoth]

That's fine. He can play both roles comparably well.

We still need a lockdown defender. Have needed one since Tuohy left. I hold that that should have been the target before getting in a Saad but it is what it is.

Stocker should move into the midfield soon, Parks is a third tall.

Plowman is the single good lockdown defender we had...I think the club was hoping that SPS or Stocker would be lockdown defenders. Not happening as well as they expected. If what people are saying about Jordan Boyd and his ability of play lockdown defender, I'll be stoked. It leaves SPS and Stocks to run off the the centre.