Bluemour Melting Pot XXVIII

[SkyhorseTamer]

2 to 3 more assistants to go as part of the review

Story around Barker slightly different to the public one but all in all he's gone.

Teague safe. My man seen many coaches but actually fan of Teague doesn't think it's his issue.

Big focus on development

Bit concerning if true since the review hasn't started

I think sayers has already done an internal review and will use the independent one to hammer home what needs changing.

 

[jd2010]

I think sayers has already done an internal review and will use the independent one to hammer home what needs changing.

How has he done an internal review when he doesn't take the top job until later in the year?

And what happens if the independent one says something different to his own view? Got to let the review run its course and then make a decision based upon that. If the review was to find that Teague can't coach then we should listen and act accordingly. And vice versa. Can't go into it with already pre-determined outcomes.

 

[slashin_velvet]

How has he done an internal review when he doesn't take the top job until later in the year?

And what happens if the independent one says something different to his own view? Got to let the review run its course and then make a decision based upon that. If the review was to find that Teague can't coach then we should listen and act accordingly. And vice versa. Can't go into it with already pre-determined outcomes.

He's been on the board for a long time and reportedly had already starting asking people questions after the Collingwood loss - not a formal review as such but getting inside opinion on what the issues could be.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Better be a review of the review by the sound of it...........

 

[Revenant1965]

Just read something somewhere that VFL is on this weekend... If so, do we have a game somewhere this weekend?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

How has he done an internal review when he doesn't take the top job until later in the year?

And what happens if the independent one says something different to his own view? Got to let the review run its course and then make a decision based upon that. If the review was to find that Teague can't coach then we should listen and act accordingly. And vice versa. Can't go into it with already pre-determined outcomes.

Again, he's already interviewed people. He doesn't have to be in charge to be told he's allowed to do something like this.

The position wrt Teague being safe is almost certainly so he can coach the year out properly and well. Would be an utter waste to have a dead man walking as coach and horrible for the clubs morale and culture. Any messaging that is different to the current would be pretty damn poor by the club. They have to back him in publicly hand privately, until the moment they decide he is not the guy anymore. Anything less undermines the coaches ability to coach and wastes time.

 

[azlou]

I wouldn't be so confident. Possibly he would have kickers for coleman/b&f or leading club goal kicker, but i'd anticipate a large chunk of his deal would be guaranteed.

What would you estimate his match payments are?

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Just read something somewhere that VFL is on this weekend... If so, do we have a game somewhere this weekend?

Originally we were locked into a Rd10 home game against Port Melbourne...

 

[Ash24]

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Can you view that by round? Wouldn't surprise me if the first 3-4 weeks he was still around the 40% mark.

Yes, you can.

In the first four weeks he lost 4 out of his 7 1v1s (57%). Between rounds 5-10 he's been phenomenal, rocking at just a 12.5% 1v1 loss percentage - winning 14 of 16 from those contests.

 

[katmanblue]

Is it though?

Who else plays a back 6, man on man defensive arc? Playing the +1 eliminates space to lead and or slowing down opposition forward entries, allowing defenders to shutdown "hurt" areas inside defensive 50

If more teams played this setup, many more 3rd tall/medium defenders would be exposed

Even when we do play the plus one they seem to set up in the wrong spots.

 

[jd2010]

In the first four weeks he lost 4 out of his 7 1v1s (57%). Between rounds 5-10 he's been phenomenal, rocking at just a 12.5% 1v1 loss percentage - winning 14 of 16 from those contests.

Yeah that doesn't surprise me at all. His first month was very poor but thought he responded very well just before the suspension especially.

 

[jd2010]

Again, he's already interviewed people. He doesn't have to be in charge to be told he's allowed to do something like this.

The position wrt Teague being safe is almost certainly so he can coach the year out properly and well. Would be an utter waste to have a dead man walking as coach and horrible for the clubs morale and culture. Any messaging that is different to the current would be pretty damn poor by the club. They have to back him in publicly hand privately, until the moment they decide he is not the guy anymore. Anything less undermines the coaches ability to coach and wastes time.

They can say publicly he has their backing. But they better be letting the review leave no stone un-turned to see if he is the right man for the job rather than just backing him for the sake of it.

 

[katmanblue]

Maybe - just maybe - SOS wasn't the non-team player with conflicts of interest that has been communicated to nuff nuffs who believed the sh*te peddled by a CEO on training wheels and whose decisions through the Club are now subject to review - not him though - no review will be required to see him out in due course.

 

[katmanblue]

Is isolated on purpose by opposition coaches. When he went out of the side and Stocker came in they did the same thing to him as well.

And our coaches did nothing to counter it.

 

[katmanblue]

good judgement

I think you'll find it's not welcome here.

 

[Blue__Balls]

A percentage doesn't care how often it happens. It still shows that *when* Docherty parks and plowman are 1v1 they've been poor this season. Good teams still create 1v1s against zone defences. It's just less often, plows win percentage in those 1v1s would remain the same.

That's an inherently inaccurate assumption to make - the data doesn't support what you're saying in and of itself.

If Plowman is in 100 one-on-ones, they could be made up of 75 manufactured match-ups in an occupied 50m arc and 25 when he is isolated as the deepest defender on a fast break.

If his one-on-one losing percentage is 25%, that doesn't necessarily mean he loses 25% of each "type" of contest. He could be winning 100% of the first type, and losing 100% of the second.

 

[katmanblue]

Having seen some software around the AFL's cap management that is definitely the case. Clubs are only allowed a certain portion of their cap to be spent on incentives. They wouldn't even allow for what that sort of incentive % of the cap to be known by developers

Interesting

 

[katmanblue]

Huh? It's not a big plus that our two key defenders lose an extremely low percentage of 1v1 contests? That's an enormous plus...

It's not a plus that they are often exposed one-on-one. It's a plus that they win many of those contests but they should have cover from teammates/system more often.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

That's an inherently inaccurate assumption to make - the data doesn't support what you're saying in and of itself.

If Plowman is in 100 one-on-ones, they could be made up of 75 manufactured match-ups in an occupied 50m arc and 25 when he is isolated as the deepest defender on a fast break.

If his one-on-one losing percentage is 25%, that doesn't necessarily mean he loses 25% of each "type" of contest. He could be winning 100% of the first type, and losing 100% of the second.

Wut. They're both one on one contests. There is 1 player from each team contesting an aerial ball. That's all it needs to be. Idk wtf a 'manufactured' matchup is. Sounds like nonsense. His win% in 1v1s is his win%. Same as every other players.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

It's not a plus that they are often exposed one-on-one. It's a plus that they win many of those contests but they should have cover from teammates/system more often.

Of course.

 

[Stickitupthem]

Rubbish. Saad is what he is. A cream player who relies on being unaccountable to be at his best.

Saad was the wrong type of defender to get. What we needed, in reality, is a lockdown defender. We already had a, largely, unaccountable dashing halfback type in Sam Docherty. As it is, the coaching staff have already realized that you really cannot play both Docherty and Saad in the same backline.

Sorry buddy I disagree saad is a Better player than docherty
Our backline needed saad and I believe the best position fir the doc is on the wing
When saad gels with hopefully a new game plan and his new teammates well he’ll be great for us

 

[slashin_velvet]

What would you estimate his match payments are?

Personally would be surprised if he was getting them. Someone like Dow or Walsh I would expect getting a few thousand per game (say 3-5k), but someone who comes accross from another club I would expect majority of the contract is guaranteed (Daisy being a good barometer for that)

 

[Stickitupthem]

I’d sign weits now long term and make him our main marque player .
That would be the smart move while no ones in his ear or are they

 

[Kramer1]

Huh? It's not a big plus that our two key defenders lose an extremely low percentage of 1v1 contests? That's an enormous plus...

Look at the data and tell me what the outlier is...

The fact that our two key defenders are isolated in significantly more one on one's than practically every other defender is a good thing???

 

[Kramer1]

Is isolated on purpose by opposition coaches. When he went out of the side and Stocker came in they did the same thing to him as well.

Well it would be odd to see an opposition coach double team a back pocket...so I suppose I agree...