Bluemour Melting Pot XXXII - Reaching fever pitch! 🔥 🔥 🔥

[Lovers]

Do they know which players will fit the coaches gameplan, when there is no coach?

do you expect a new coach is going to come in and say ok I need a better ruckman get Grundy on the phone, we also need more small forwards get charlie cameron and papley done and we're sweet. There is time. Point being we arent rebuilding the playing list and they would be looking for a coach whos game style matches up with our list not the other way around (i assume)

 

[lex3191]

No offence was taken by me - and I simply (and possibly too quickly) found a Gervais quote and typed away.

You make good points, and it probably shouldn’t be you and me aiming to resolve the perceptions of Carlton at the moment. That we are discussing this says something in itself, I guess.

My question was to ask, whether it’s possible that things are actually in hand - as I’m lead to believe.

It definitely appears not at present, but we have to wait until all roles are filled to assess that.

It’s a fair view not to care about other clubs, which I gave as examples, and I think it’s fair that I don’t think media perceptions matter either - the process is publicly unclear but internally, it may be fine.

Listen mate. I don’t care for your courtesy to other posters, your thoughtful respectful posts. And to top it all off supplying us with blumours to keep us all entertained in a difficult period. Poor form…

as far as I’m aware this forum is for petty bickering, total meltdowns, rubbishing our club, and creating baseless conclusions from our ITK’s bluemours.

edit for clarity: RB love your work! Just being silly!!

 

[zeggie]

Do they know which players will fit the coaches gameplan, when there is no coach?

The senior coach's job is to coach. Recruitment to recruit. Part of the review was issues with delegation and responsibilities.

Coach the cattle you have, and then maybe have some say in future seasons.

 

[thylacine60]

Given Clarksons last month or so with Hawthorn I think he's far from cooked or disinterested

seems very disinterested in us.....

 

[Jimmyonesix]

My hunch is we'll have Caracalla as head coach.
Of this group I think he has the best CV and skillset, namely in regards to tactics.
It will be hard to get the others as assistants if they are contracted.
Voss is the only one out of contract.
So a Caracalla with Voss combo is where I see us going.
Other assistant spots to come from Harvey etc

I thought would be Caracalla also esp if getting cook -- wouldn't surprise me if cook wanted someone like Sumich involved --

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Caracella is the most experienced and well credentialed coach of the newbies. Would be surprised if he isn't part of the process.

 

[Coops93]

The senior coach's job is to coach. Recruitment to recruit. Part of the review was issues with delegation and responsibilities.

Coach the cattle you have, and then maybe have some say in future seasons.

I don't think that's a good way to do it at all. No head coach in the league has no say in the players they look to bring in to the club.

 

[zeggie]

seems very disinterested in us.....

Hopefully he's just playing hard to get.

 

[Lovers]

Do they know which players will fit the coaches gameplan, when there is no coach?

A player interested in carlton would hold out to see who the coach is, theres no rush for them until the FA/Trade window closes and that wont happen until after the grand final when there might be a decision made. Grand Final isnt even for another week

 

[BlueGum]

I'd get creative and be offering Clarko a 3 year contract with 4 x 3month sabbaticals thrown in for study tours and travel overseas.

I'd add on a role with Carlton College for a coaching course. Share profits and ongoing function of looking for best practices all over.

 

[zeggie]

I don't think that's a good way to do it at all. No head coach in the league has no say in the players they look to bring in to the club.

No shit. That's not what I said. Read again.

 

[Coops93]

A player interested in carlton would hold out to see who the coach is, theres no rush for them until the FA/Trade window closes and that wont happen until after the grand final when there might be a decision made. Grand Final isnt even for another week

I'm commenting on the notion that the coach will be picked in roughly 2 weeks, which will basically be at the start of FA period - 1st October. If one was picked tomorrow then I wouldn't be too worried about it, but picking one a couple of days before trade/FA period is getting a bit late for me.

They may if there's another club or 2 after them, but if they're interested enough they might.

 

[Coops93]

No sh*t. That's not what I said. Read again.

The senior coach's job is to coach. Recruitment to recruit. Part of the review was issues with delegation and responsibilities.

Coach the cattle you have, and then maybe have some say in future seasons.

Seems like you're suggesting the coaches input should be minimalised.

 

[Meddy43]

I need these decisions to be made and announced so I can get my life back on track until trade time.

 

[Lovers]

I'm commenting on the notion that the coach will be picked in roughly 2 weeks, which will basically be at the start of FA period - 1st October. If one was picked tomorrow then I wouldn't be too worried about it, but picking one a couple of days before trade/FA period is getting a bit late for me.

They may if there's another club or 2 after them, but if they're interested enough they might.

far from ideal thats for sure but better than rushing and picking the wrong coach. Maybe during the interview process the questions asked of coaches would be, what players available in the market do you NEED (if any), and who would you look at bringing in to this list. Then since meetings have already started maybe the clubs already been in contact with those players? who knows but im sure the club would be well across that scenario

 

[swuzzlebubble]

i dont know, ive got a very solid source though....but because of that i get very minimal info- i have no clue who the 4 are but if someone on here was claiming the job is X's id dismiss it straight away based on my limited info. Surprised i got as much as i did to be honest

Thanks for your contribution

This answer I suggest helps explain why we get cryptic hints from itk's

The original source doesn't want to be too explicit or they risk running foul themselves.

 

[blue healer]

I need these decisions to be made and announced so I can get my life back on track until trade time.

I do too, my pre trade season training is really suffering.

 

[GoBlues!]

I'd add on a role with Carlton College for a coaching course. Share profits and ongoing function of looking for best practices all over.

He could run the the Carlton Clarkson Coaching College Course...C^5

 

[The Great Ian]

Caracella is the most experienced and well credentialed coach of the newbies. Would be surprised if he isn't part of the process.

Yes bring in Hird to assist him just to wind up Essendon and Ch7


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[Lovers]

Thanks for your contribution

This answer I suggest helps explain why we get cryptic hints from itk's

The original source doesn't want to be too explicit or they risk running foul themselves.

yeah i mean i wish i had more but im happy the clubs staying tight lipped on everything for once. Im not going to sit here and claim that i know more than what i say with cryptic quotes to get people in a stir. Id be surprised if what i said turns out incorrect but i didnt say that much either. The boards united so im more than happy with where things sit...im just hoping that what people have reported about clarko still being a slim chance is a possibility. Praying that if Cook joins Clarkson does one of his famous backflips. Given the media seem to be very hit and miss on us lately and next to no real news ahead of time over the last month it makes me more confused than ever

 

[Dominator_7]

The media when it was rumoured we’re hiring Lyon/Clarko without a process: ‘it’s old Carlton. Just go out and get a coach without going through a proper process. It’s Malthouse all over again.’
The media now that we’re going through a process and have stopped the leaking: ‘why are they taking so long ? Nobody wants to go there. They’re a rudderless basket case. This process is a sham. They don’t know what they’re doing’

We can’t win in their eyes.
I still have faith that Sayers and co will make the right calls. They have up to this point.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I'm commenting on the notion that the coach will be picked in roughly 2 weeks, which will basically be at the start of FA period - 1st October. If one was picked tomorrow then I wouldn't be too worried about it, but picking one a couple of days before trade/FA period is getting a bit late for me.

They may if there's another club or 2 after them, but if they're interested enough they might.

If we were overhauling the list, I think you'd be closer to the mark. But we're not, we clearly rate our list and are looking to sign a coach who can extract the best football from that list, not one who is going to walk through the door and say "Oh no, you guys only have 4 key forwards, I need 6 to be able to coach you to finals". That way lies Teague: "I wanna play fast, get me fast players.....this isn't working.....**** it, go faster!!!".

A lot of discussion around player movement starts well before the end of the season. Hewett seems to be one like that.

Cerra is seemingly torn between Melbourne and us. Maybe if we signed a coach tomorrow they'd say "Nup, don't need him" and we could walk away. Or maybe he'd get straight on the phone to Cerra and convince him to join us. Having a coach locked in might help there. But at the end of the day it's gotta be more than just the coach. List management exists, the leaders of the playing group are pretty active nowadays when it comes to selling the club to potential recruits. And Cerra is a known quantity, he's not someone that a coach is going to turn their nose up at if the opportunity exists to get them.

 

[WeninRome]

Just kinda wish Clarko would come out and categorically state no interest.

 

[JustaBattler]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..

 

[Broadside]

Just kinda wish Clarko would come out and categorically state no interest.

and this time he has to sound like he means it, unlike the first 4 times!