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The fact Ross withdrew and never re-entered even after Liddle departure and Cook arrival makes me suspicious he still didn't have enough support at club or he didn't want to divulge what happened at Freo. Clearly he was keen originally so something major stopped him. Perhaps the other party involved from incident threatened to go public if he proceeded with prominent role. Something strange about it so probably has worked out best for club to go with Vossy.
There's something unsavoury about Ross Lyon in my opinion. Can't quite put my finger on it. I feel like Voss will be a more transparent person. Whether he is as effective remains to be seen.
 
No PP necessary.

However the only thing people seem to say about him is "he builds good relationships". Which is fine, but that doesn't help you when you're up against coaches who are tactically very good at producing game plans and getting teams to execute them.

What is he credited with at Port football wise for implementing?

You do hear of assistant coaches who are credited with such things, so Voss?

I was interested to read this from a Port fan from their perspective...



Thus I ask what does he bring football strategy and tactics wise?
Yes, this is what concerns me. To Port fans he's always been seen the same way we saw Barker. Rated by many outside the club but every line he coaches seems to be a disorganised mess.

Ahh well... he's coach now. Hopefully he becomes a premiership one and my concerns turn out to be garbage.
 

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No PP necessary.

However the only thing people seem to say about him is "he builds good relationships". Which is fine, but that doesn't help you when you're up against coaches who are tactically very good at producing game plans and getting teams to execute them.

What is he credited with at Port football wise for implementing?

You do hear of assistant coaches who are credited with such things, so Voss?

I was interested to read this from a Port fan from their perspective...



Thus I ask what does he bring football strategy and tactics wise?
Give the negativity a spell, the club has actually probably for the 1st time be through a process with Cook/Williams etc all ticking off on the decision.
I am certain with the experience he has he will do well, none of the other candidates Clarkson were available so we need to pick best available which is what they have decided.
 
Isn't that why you let the coach pick their support crew?

How do they know if the newly appointed head coach will get along with the staff they are bringing in? How do they know if their footballing philosophies synch?
Did I say to let Voss choose him? I said he's got a strong relationship with Voss and is highly regarded - long term deal on the table at Geelong apparently.

Scarlett is one of the best defenders of the last 20 years so would be an improvement on our backs coach, too. Not to mention - like Lappin - he knows success. Getting as much 'success culture' into the club will only make us better (presumably they are the right fit for our club/group).
 
No PP necessary.

However the only thing people seem to say about him is "he builds good relationships". Which is fine, but that doesn't help you when you're up against coaches who are tactically very good at producing game plans and getting teams to execute them.

What is he credited with at Port football wise for implementing?

You do hear of assistant coaches who are credited with such things, so Voss?

I was interested to read this from a Port fan from their perspective...



Thus I ask what does he bring football strategy and tactics wise?
fair to say you have zero knowledge of whether he will succeed or not, happy to agree? you have no idea what he has learned the past decade, what his plans are now that he can implement them, how he will bond with the players, the game plans and contingencies he will put in place - your best effort is citing a swampy supporter with spelling issues........might want to pull back on the white-anting at least until the first autopsy thread in march........
 
Which ones were on the market?
Clarkson ..lost the fire clearly and was petering out if we are honest.
Lyon...a terrible idea amd clearly Carlton Board agree and let him know so weeks ago.

Scott bros.....nah their ships have sailed also.
Didn't stop us chasing Clarkson desperately like a deprived schoolboy and Sayers thought Lyon was an excellent idea. He was overruled by the board.
Didn't stop us approaching Scott, Pyke, Buckley, even Fagan ... before Voss was on the scene. Our coaching selection panel was such a farce that involved the membership of a CEO who was on the way out.
We couldn't have wished for a better opportunity and we've picked the fish John West rejected when Teague was appointed.
I have no problem with Voss btw - just the suggested in some way this was how Sayers and the board planned it. In the end, it was the only palatable option to save some face after his proclamation that we would get an experienced coach.
 
No PP necessary.

However the only thing people seem to say about him is "he builds good relationships". Which is fine, but that doesn't help you when you're up against coaches who are tactically very good at producing game plans and getting teams to execute them.

What is he credited with at Port football wise for implementing?

You do hear of assistant coaches who are credited with such things, so Voss?

I was interested to read this from a Port fan from their perspective...



Thus I ask what does he bring football strategy and tactics wise?
Boak moved back into the midfield during pre season where Ollie hurt his shoulder. His own words. Completely discredits that port fans assertions.
 
Did I say to let Voss choose him? I said he's got a strong relationship with Voss and is highly regarded - long term deal on the table at Geelong apparently.

Scarlett is one of the best defenders of the last 20 years so would be an improvement on our backs coach, too. Not to mention - like Lappin - he knows success. Getting as much 'success culture' into the club will only make us better (presumably they are the right fit for our club/group).

Voss should be choosing his assistants was the point. Not having the club appoint them for him.

Scarlett aint coming.
 
Thus I ask what does he bring football strategy and tactics wise?

That's not an unreasonable question, but one we could ask of just about anyone else we might've appointed today, too.

We might have some idea of what Lyon might've brought to the table tactically (but the game has changed a little since he last coached - I reckon that will have served as a loose guide only), and even with Clarkson there's no definitive way to answer this question, as what worked with one group may not work with ours - I'd expect he will have adapted to fit, to a certain extent. Kingsley is a lauded tactician, but in his case, I'm not sure the answer to this question would've been any clearer, either.

For now, I reckon we just need to trust that those in a position to know and influence, have well and truly broached this topic, and have as many answers as one can have at this stage. The rest of us will find out next year.
 

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Didn't stop us chasing Clarkson desperately like a deprived schoolboy and Sayers thought Lyon was an excellent idea. He was overruled by the board.
Didn't stop us approaching Scott, Pyke, Buckley, even Fagan ... before Voss was on the scene. Our coaching selection panel was such a farce that involved the membership of a CEO who was on the way out.
We couldn't have wished for a better opportunity and we've picked the fish John West rejected when Teague was appointed.
I have no problem with Voss btw - just the suggested in some way this was how Sayers and the board planned it. In the end, it was the only palatable option to save some face after his proclamation that we would get an experienced coach.
Breaking news: Selection panel consults lots of coaches on various things, media tries to interpret without knowing full story.
 
All of those plus Buckley, Sayers' self-proclaimed mate.
There's a consistent theme here ... and it ain't the lack of quality in those coaches.

Consistent theme?

Clarko - doesn't want to coach at all in 2022.
Lyon - think he should get the job on the strength of his name, despite never winning a flag.
Scott - not coaching ever again, by the looks of it, fully transitioned into admin.
Pyke - doesn't want to live in VIC, doesn't want to be a senior coach.
Buckley - no idea where you pulled that from, got sacked at Collingwood and has seemingly gone to ground entirely.

May as well be disappointed that we didn't get Goodwin or Bevo, the reality is that these "experienced coaches on the market" were not "on the market". With the exception of Lyon, who at face value either couldn't be ****ed even trying to get the job, or pulled out to save face because we didn't want him.
 
Teague always appeared to act like a dorky uncle to me. In hindsight he really Bradbury'd himself into the senior coach role. Wish him well at Tiges I guess.

Voss will not take any sh*t and knows how to build strong relationships based on respect.
Interesting reference regarding Teague. Be interested in your description on how Voss has found himself in the role.
 
All of those plus Buckley, Sayers' self-proclaimed mate.
There's a consistent theme here ... and it ain't the lack of quality in those coaches.

Nothing wrong with asking the question.
 
Yeah because people whose job it is to talk directly to those within clubs know less than anonymous posters on fan footy forum. Makes sense.

Didn't stop us chasing Clarkson desperately like a deprived schoolboy and Sayers thought Lyon was an excellent idea. He was overruled by the board.
Didn't stop us approaching Scott, Pyke, Buckley, even Fagan ... before Voss was on the scene. Our coaching selection panel was such a farce that involved the membership of a CEO who was on the way out.
We couldn't have wished for a better opportunity and we've picked the fish John West rejected when Teague was appointed.
I have no problem with Voss btw - just the suggested in some way this was how Sayers and the board planned it. In the end, it was the only palatable option to save some face after his proclamation that we would get an experienced coach.

Ummm

Irony?

Who's pretending to know more than the club and the pro's again?
 
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