Bluemour Melting Pot XXXII - Reaching fever pitch! 🔥 🔥 🔥

[SkyhorseTamer]

Is there a link ... because all I can find is text based ...

They're doctoring the footage, editing a section in where Voss talks about his tactical prowess.

 

[Blue and Blue]

how long does it take the cfc media crew to put up the press conference? who employed these people anyway? what was the focus of the interviews? were the right questions asked? do we even know if these people have a contingency plan? what if there is an earthquake? can they even dos? I want answers!!![/QUOTE

Fair go...they are transferring from beta to vhs...takes time...and you cant hibernate and experience the earthquake...sheesh

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Dammit you beat me to it. Bravo.

Very Very rare occasion mate - Only reason I knew is coz I was hanging out in the bin at the front of Ikon with Tom Browne and some rotisserie chickens...

 

[Metalcrusher]

They're doctoring the footage, editing a section in where Voss talks about his tactical prowess.

 

[zeggie]

Is there a link ... because all I can find is text based ...

Scroll down about half way https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1019885

 

[Bostonian]

That just seems to be a deliberately contrarian point of view.

Past few coaches have been poor tacticians, so we should get a good tactician even if they don't tick the boxes around setting standards, driving competitive culture, building relationships with players, being able to communicate clearly an effectively with players and other coaches etc.

I'd argue that the issue with Teague wasn't that he was a poor tactician. It was that he was unwilling to deviate from a gameplan he believed in wholeheartedly. Could have put Kingsley in underneath him, and we'd probably have had the same result because Teague wanted nothing more than for the team to play his exciting brand of football (and hopefully win sometimes).

I'm not fussed if Voss isn't a genius tactician, provided he has an understanding of his strengths and weaknesses, and a willingness to develop a gameplan with the help of some capable assistants and then adapt that gameplan over time based on results. Maybe that's what he demonstrated to the panel? A combination of confidence and strength of character, an understanding of the game, and the humility to know that his personal opinions won't always be the best ones and that he'll have a team of people whose strengths he can draw on.

Contrarian?

By suggesting we try something different to the failed routes we've taken previously?

I'd suggest Teague is a poor tactician then if he's only got one tactic and that's sticking to his game plan.

When teams god a run on, there was no plan B. That was it, we would capitulate.

 

[Bostonian]

His camps go alright ...

Wasn't his.

At least he never bashed anyone I guess.

 

[zeggie]

Pyke and Lyon didn't want the job. You'll have to get over it.

Bizarrely you've somehow regressed back to stage 1.

 

[El Topo]

Or perhaps it was, past two coaches zero tactics and sh*t game plans.

Let's try something different and get someone good at that.

You know, so that when a team kicks 5 on us there's half a chance we have someone who has a few tactics up their sleeve to stem the flow.

past two coaches shared the same set of assistants...

 

[Bostonian]

Clarkson seriously needs rtime off to get over being sacked by Kennett and time to get revenge via dollars paid is part - timing was always off for Clarkson.
Pyke needs more time to recover from that whole camp nonsense
Lyon would have been the safe bet
Vossy is probably a bit below Lyon on the safe bet stakes and probably a bit above in other measures.

If you did a checklist / value proposition thingy with a neutral cap on ...

you might surprise yourself on how many potential measures Vossy actually scores well in.

It is all theory until he has had a chance to work with what he has at his disposal and we will see if he has enough of what he needs as far as that goes - soon eneough. An experienced assistant next to him would be a good plan too.

I'm pretty excited in a positive sense.

That's why I never wanted Clarko. You can tell he's burned out now he's stepped away.

I guess that's it, when you end up with a coach you just don't rate at all you don't have to pretend you do.

Others will look for all kinds of positives to justify the selection and that's fine.

Maybe Voss turns out an inspired selection or we find ourselves back too square one again in a few years time.

There's going to be massive heat on Voss to win immediately, no honeymoon period or excuses outside of half the list goes down injured.

Finals or failure next season.

 

[Bostonian]

Pyke and Lyon didn't want the job. You'll have to get over it.

Bizarrely you've somehow regressed back to stage 1.

Lyon didn't want the job you say? K.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Exclusive photos following today's announcement....

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

After listening to Vossy on SEN with Andy Maher and Bob, I’m pretty excited with him as our coach! Loved what he had to say, I feel the boys are gonna love him especially Walshy, Stock and Crippa!!

Now let’s get some quality assistants

 

[Blue__Balls]

Contrarian?

By suggesting we try something different to the failed routes we've taken previously?

I'd suggest Teague is a poor tactician then if he's only got one tactic and that's sticking to his game plan.

When teams god a run on, there was no plan B. That was it, we would capitulate.

I may not have been clear enough on the Teague front. I'm not saying he was a brilliant tactician, I'm saying the issue wasn't his lack of expertise in that area but his unwillingness to recognise that and allow others within the coaching group to develop something different. Or maybe he was and the assistants were all just super shit as well? Who knows. Point being, having a senior coach who isn't a tactical mastermind is only an issue if they think they are a tactical mastermind. If they understand that it's an area others can advise them in, and you can get one or two of those others in as assistants, then the lack of tactical acumen from the senior coach is moot. They're doing their thing, and letting the tactics guy tactic for them.

Goodwin doesn't strike me as a strategic genius. But he clearly knows that, leads from the bench and lets his assistants work to their strengths in the box. I imagine we're probably looking to go down a similar route.

Another way of looking at it, I supposes, is that a strong competitive culture is something you should always try to maintain, while tactics change week to week, season to season. Get someone in at the top who can instil the culture and standards, and then the assistants can come and go over time through the revolving door policy most clubs have, bringing new strategic ideas to the table.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Contrarian?

By suggesting we try something different to the failed routes we've taken previously?

I'd suggest Teague is a poor tactician then if he's only got one tactic and that's sticking to his game plan.

When teams god a run on, there was no plan B. That was it, we would capitulate.

I think what's missing here are the layers that are involved in coaching. It's not all about tactics as it's not all about building relationships. However, if one area of coaching is failing it WILL influence the others.

Teague put a lot of players off side, development and training standards weren't high enough and preparation was poor. Poor prep leads to injuries etc. Teague's tenure was actually so marred with stuff like that we don't even know if his tactics were the root cause. They may have been a symptom of players not going at 100% as consistently as they should've because they were unhappy/ under prepped etc. OR it could be that the tactics were too complex, causing players to be dissilusioned.

I can go on an on like that too.

I'd suggest Voss is nothing like our previous few coaches.

Bolton was a player manager. He was a micromanager overly committed to the long term future. He was very very intense.

Teague was a release from that. A freedom that turned sour very quickly. A completely different type of coach to Bolton in both management and game day philosophies.

Voss is not known for being a micromanager obsessed with 6 years down the track nor is he known for low standards and allowing a group to become the tail that wags. He's a completely different person.

 

[woof39]

There is a resemblance..

 

[bigblueboy]

Pyke and Lyon didn't want the job. You'll have to get over it.

Bizarrely you've somehow regressed back to stage 1.

Except when he went on Footy Classified and said he was interested in the job.
Hmm, stick to playing the man, you don't do facts well.

 

[whySOSserious]

After listening to Vossy on SEN with Andy Maher and Bob, I’m pretty excited with him as our coach! Loved what he had to say, I feel the boys are gonna love him especially Walshy, Stock and Crippa!!

Now let’s get some quality assistants

You have taken this well.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Strangely enough I played at a golf day about 3 or 4 years ago and lethal was the guest speaker. I only asked him one question. "Do you think that Michael Voss will coach again as it looks to me that he has all of the requirements, passion, hardness, media ability and leadership?".

Obviously he said he believed he would and that he would be very successful. Sounded like he genuinely meantime although he would probably be a bit biased.

Funny how things happen.

 

[zeggie]

Lyon didn't want the job you say? K.

Except when he went on Footy Classified and said he was interested in the job.
Hmm, stick to playing the man, you don't do facts well.

Said it with his own mouth in his Sept 2 presser. Didn't want it.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I would love for us to get SOS in as a backline coach.

Well we've got Diesel. Just bring back Sticks and we're all sorted.

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

You have taken this well.

Surprised?

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Surprised?

Mate we were all concerned for you...

 

[bigblueboy]

Said it with his own mouth in his Sept 2 presser. Didn't want it.

No - said he didn't want to go through a process. A very different thing to not wanting the job.

 

[Matty411]

My points are very clear.

I just keep getting happy clappy defensive people quoting my posts.

All I asked was what game plan and tactics is he known for? Looking into it I couldn't find anything much from the Port side of things.

Still no definitive answer on that. Something that has been a trait of the last two coaches we've endured.

We'll be guessing about the game plan for a while so unless you have a crystal ball, you won't get your answer.

Good luck on your quest.