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BrownDog20 said:
That is the issue, Newnes etc do not play there role well enough for us to be a contender.
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What was his role .. they all seemed to be running around like headless chooks when in transition to me .. all the down the ground vision that the media put up through the year showed this .. jones was caught out two to three times a week inn no mans land -- the midfield was outnumbered on turnover constantly -- we couldn't even defend the kick in to any degree of confidence stopping side going coast to coast .. Maybe he was doing as instructed ..
 
BigFrizz36 said:
Pretty sure that we can table our offer today but as a restricted free agent the swans have till the end of the set period to determine whether they will match (which they gave indicated they wont).

At the end of the period (think early next week?) if unmatched then he becomes our player.
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If I remember rightly, it's actually just a 24hr opportunity for the current club to match. Not sure if that includes or skips weekends though, so might be waiting til Monday for the official word.

That being said, Sydney don't have to wait the 24 hours, they could potentially advise that they're not matching the offer 5mins after we submit it and then it's all sorted.
 

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BrownDog20 said:
That is the issue, Newnes etc do not play there role well enough for us to be a contender.
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I disagree. I actually thought he was pretty consistent and was let down by others. But that's footy in a nutshell isn't it? It's hard for us on the sidelines to know if he was letting the side down or others.

I'll give you an example. Newnes runs into the forward line under pressure and kicks the ball to where McKay should be leading. McKay leads to the pocket instead of up the corridor. Newnes records a turnover. Who's fault is that?
 
Gethelred said:
Again, consider whether this is how you want to purport yourself. This is a forum, not a chatbot domain. We're going to disagree and agree with each other at alternates, but the fact of the matter is if you cannot take someone disagreeing with you or the notion that you might be wrong without being rude or abusive, this might not be the best venue for you.

Secondly, he's not a tap ruckman. He averages the most HO's in 2021, but is only fourth on the HO to advantage differential ladder (given that those stats aren't released to the public, the best you can do is here:
www.foxsports.com.au

Looking beyond footy’s ‘furphy’ stat to determine true All-Aus ruck contenders: Champion Index

AFL’s most misunderstood stat has been put under microscope... and exposed several stars
www.foxsports.com.au www.foxsports.com.au
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He's the third most likely to win a positive differential for raw hit outs and averages the most HO's in 2021, but he only sits 4th on the ladder as a ruckman who sits in the ruck the whole time; he's not hitting to advantage nearly enough from those raw taps.

He averages 19.1 disposals a game, 4.2 tackles, and 4 clearances; that is the basis by which I say he is less a pure tap ruckman and more an extra midfielder, and it is on this basis that I make the comparison to Jack. From rounds 16-20 - when we played him as that second ruck - he averaged 19.4 disposals, 3.4 tackles, and 2 clearances a match; not as good certainly, but not the difference between what we're paying Jack and what Grundy's on bad, either.

The point of making this analysis is that Jack is not even our first ruck; that's TDK. TDK is a tap ruckman, of the Natanui bent; he leaps over his opponent and wins the tap. He has significant ground to make up before he gets there, but he's very young for a ruckman.

Why are we hamstringing TDK to bring in Grundy, when we have a second ruck we're getting roughly the same contribution from?

If you want to continue to disagree, that's fine. But this is a forum, not the inside of your head, and out here we converse civilly.
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Grundy had a down year in 2021.

Have a look at the following for how effective he was in 2017 - 2020. The only category he struggles in is "behind the ball" - basically because he doesn't go there.

www.abc.net.au

In the battle of the AFL's big men, Grundy and Gawn stand tallest

Melbourne's Max Gawn and Collingwood's Brodie Grundy are, despite their differing styles, the AFL's best ruckmen, write Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
gadj1976 said:
I disagree. I actually thought he was pretty consistent and was let down by others. But that's footy in a nutshell isn't it? It's hard for us on the sidelines to know if he was letting the side down or others.

I'll give you an example. Newnes runs into the forward line under pressure and kicks the ball to where McKay should be leading. McKay leads to the pocket instead of up the corridor. Newnes records a turnover. Who's fault is that?
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Clearly as we know now David Teague, John Barker and Cain Liddle ;)
 
gadj1976 said:
I disagree. I actually thought he was pretty consistent and was let down by others. But that's footy in a nutshell isn't it? It's hard for us on the sidelines to know if he was letting the side down or others.

I'll give you an example. Newnes runs into the forward line under pressure and kicks the ball to where McKay should be leading. McKay leads to the pocket instead of up the corridor. Newnes records a turnover. Who's fault is that?
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Offence is not the issue.
Its his defensive side of the game, would let his opposition get goal side of him on numerous occasions.
Then just gave up.
 
Earls Smother said:
Grundy had a down year in 2021.

Have a look at the following for how effective he was in 2017 - 2020. The only category he struggles in is "behind the ball" - basically because he doesn't go there.

www.abc.net.au

In the battle of the AFL's big men, Grundy and Gawn stand tallest

Melbourne's Max Gawn and Collingwood's Brodie Grundy are, despite their differing styles, the AFL's best ruckmen, write Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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That's the kind of analysis I like, wedding stats to footage to complete the picture.

I don't like hybrid players. I don't like ruckman/mids, and I don't like talls who play small or vice versa. The reason I don't like those players is because if you had a specialist, you're going to take them for the role 9 times from 10; you're not taking (for example) Levi Casboult or Matthew Kreuzer over Dean Cox, Matthew Lloyd, Josh Kennedy, or Max Gawn, and you're not taking Blicavs or Tomlinson (or Richo or Waite) on the wing ahead of Kelly or Gaff. Are you truly going to go for Jamie Elliot, Brayden Mihocek, Tim Membrey or David Gowers when you have Harry McKay, Josh Kennedy, Jack Riewoldt available instead? It's only when you've a Buddy Franklin (hybrid HFF/KPF) or Dustin Martin (KPF/in-out midfielder) who are comfortably two of the best 5 players since 2000 that you go the hybrid.

Grundy is very much a hybrid, because he plays like a midfielder on the ground and a KPP in the air. He gets the most taps, despite playing like a ground ball player. But he's not a better midfielder - even now - than Pendlebury is, and he's a good ruck rather than a great one.

I would rather shoot for a decent to great ruck over the hybrid, and at the size of his contract I am even less interested than I was before james95 brought it up.
 

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Crippablues said:
If you can't compete with a midfield of Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Kennedy and Dow then there's something wrong. We have the quality mids, we don't have the structure

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Seriously?
That is a very thin midfield.

Kennedy has never played consistently good footy and does not look like making it as a quality mid.
Dow has improved but has a long way to go.
 
BigFrizz36 said:
Pretty sure that we can table our offer today but as a restricted free agent the swans have till the end of the set period to determine whether they will match (which they gave indicated they wont).

At the end of the period (think early next week?) if unmatched then he becomes our player.
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Unless Swans decline to match.
 
Gethelred said:
That's the kind of analysis I like, wedding stats to footage to complete the picture.

I don't like hybrid players. I don't like ruckman/mids, and I don't like talls who play small or vice versa. The reason I don't like those players is because if you had a specialist, you're going to take them for the role 9 times from 10; you're not taking (for example) Levi Casboult or Matthew Kreuzer over Dean Cox, Matthew Lloyd, Josh Kennedy, or Max Gawn, and you're not taking Blicavs or Tomlinson (or Richo or Waite) on the wing ahead of Kelly or Gaff. It's only when you've a Buddy Franklin (hybrid HFF/KPF) or Dustin Martin (KPF/in-out midfielder) who are comfortably two of the best 5 players since 2000 that you go the hybrid.

Grundy is very much a hybrid, because he plays like a midfielder on the ground and a KPP in the air. He gets the most taps, despite playing like a ground ball player. But he's not a better midfielder - even now - than Pendlebury is, and he's a good ruck rather than a great one.

I would rather shoot for a decent to great ruck over the hybrid, and at the size of his contract I am even less interested than I was before james95 brought it up.
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I wonder whether we will seriously look at JSOS playing that second ruck role, at least against teams with average second rucks. Might be a problem against Melbourne with Jackson as number 2.

It solves the problem of fitting in the extra tall that we WANT playing, not HAVE to play. Better team balance IMO with Jack doing it.
 
Stig O'Hara said:
Tell me about any state football played east of here this year??

Guys will get drafted based on kick to kick...
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So just draft him because no other state has played league football this year?

Would rather take a kid who we can develop.
Stengle has played at 2 clubs and could not crack it.

Does not have the drive to make it at the top level from the rumours over here.
 
BrownDog20 said:
Seriously?
That is a very thin midfield.

Kennedy has never played consistently good footy and does not look like making it as a quality mid.
Dow has improved but has a long way to go.
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I thought Kennedy was comfortably our 2nd best mid once he got a run of games in the seniors. Strong on the ball, great tackler, and a very good mark. I think he showed plenty of reasons he could be a part of our midfield.
 
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