Bluemour Season Blast Off Edition XXXIII

[katmanblue]

Who's gonna be our tactician

Let's just concentrate on doing the basics right for a year.

 

[katmanblue]

Who was our tactician this year?

Was Liddle wasn't it?

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

The importance of a tactician is seriously being overrated around here and afl media. It's become another silly buzzword / concept.

Camt agree with that, it’s crucial. Look at all the top sides, Hawthorn, Richmond, they all had a clear style/tactics that was slightly novel and played to their strengths.

What I could agree with is that an under performing team in our position needs to get its culture and general structure right first. The technical tactical stuff is the what helps get us from 7th-8th to top 4. So hypothetically could be addressed in the future if a a deficiency.

 

[morningbrown]

Brendan McCartney. Yuck. We'll turn away Ross Lyon but hire him? Carlton Respects indeed.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Brendan McCartney. Yuck. We'll turn away Ross Lyon but hire him? Carlton Respects indeed.

Can’t say I’ve heard of anything that would potentially put him in the Lyon category. Got any examples?

 

[KnobHead]

Camt agree with that, it’s crucial. Look at all the top sides, Hawthorn, Richmond, they all had a clear style/tactics that was slightly novel and played to their strengths.

What I could agree with is that an under performing team in our position needs to get its culture and general structure right first. The technical tactical stuff is the what helps get us from 7th-8th to top 4. So hypothetically could be addressed in the future if a a deficiency.

A strategist / tactician that develops a game plan that plays to players’ strengths is important, but more important is a committed playing group.

You want a game plan that has a strong defence that can convert to offence when able (definitely not what Teague had), but think what’s going to get us moving up the ladder is a committed playing group that work together.



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[Canyouhearthedrums]

McCartney seems Pretty underwhelming from a football perspective

 

[Number17]

Who was our tactician this year?

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[F_therest]

Camt agree with that, it’s crucial. Look at all the top sides, Hawthorn, Richmond, they all had a clear style/tactics that was slightly novel and played to their strengths.

What I could agree with is that an under performing team in our position needs to get its culture and general structure right first. The technical tactical stuff is the what helps get us from 7th-8th to top 4. So hypothetically could be addressed in the future if a a deficiency.

Also dogs play a distinct brand, rolling up extra numbers at stoppages and chaining out by hand and short kicks with overlap run.

Melbourne were distinct this year for their defensive structures...not just Lever and May but being organised all over the ground and setting up a grid formation, making them hard to score against. They defended and set up differently to previous years with new assistants, despite the same head coach and players except Ben Brown.

Cant understand people undervaluing tactics. You need both elite tactics and player commitment to win flags.

 

[bigblueboy]

Also dogs play a distinct brand, rolling up extra numbers at stoppages and chaining out by hand and short kicks with overlap run.

Melbourne were distinct this year for their defensive structures...not just Lever and May but being organised all over the ground and setting up a grid formation, making them hard to score against. They defended and set up differently to previous years with new assistants, despite the same head coach and players except Ben Brown.

Cant understand people undervaluing tactics. You need both elite tactics and player commitment to win flags.

Correct - you need both a game plan which is simple and suits our list and tactics which adapt each week dependent on the opposition.
How many times did analysts pick apart our game plan and lack of tactical flexibility this year? That's why assistants has to go as well - the coaching group wasn't up to all facets required. I'm sure this is not lost on those within the club.

 

[Gethelred]

DANDENONG STINGRAYS 7.8 (50) def. by EASTERN RANGES 7.10 (52)

IN A SENTENCE:

Eastern Ranges snuck back ahead with five minutes on the clock after relinquishing their three quarter time lead, coming away two-point victors over Dandenong Stingrays under Saturday night lights.

TEAM STATS:

• Dandenong Stingrays won the handballs (112-110) and rebound 50s (35-29)
• Eastern Ranges won the kicks (186-163), inside 50s (43-36), and marks (78-59)

KEY PLAYERS:

• Connor Macdonald (Dandenong Stingrays) 37 disposals, 7 marks, 1 tackle, 10 inside 50s, 6 rebound 50s, 2 behinds
• Judson Clarke (Dandenong Stingrays) 27 disposals, 5 marks, 4 tackles, 4 inside 50s, 1 goal
• Justin Davies (Dandenong Stingrays) 11 disposals, 7 marks, 2 tackles, 4 rebound 50s
• Max Hall (Eastern Ranges) 33 disposals, 6 marks, 3 tackles, 6 inside 50s, 2 rebound 50s, 1 goal
• Jake Soligo (Eastern Ranges) 28 disposals, 9 marks, 6 tackles, 2 inside 50s, 2 rebound 50s, 1 goal
• Corey Preston (Eastern Ranges) 20 disposals, 9 marks, 1 tackle, 3 inside 50s, 4 rebound 50s

DC MEDAL VOTES:

5 – Connor Macdonald (Dandenong Stingrays)
4 – Judson Clarke (Dandenong Stingrays)
3 – Max Hall (Eastern Ranges)
2 – Jake Soligo (Eastern Ranges)
1 – Henry Berenger (Dandenong Stingrays)

I included the whole link largely because the match writeups show a bit more than just the raw stats. What the match writeups show is that he's a hardworking inside mid with a bit of burst, who is a bit shoddy by foot and isn't great when in range of goal.

The stats say Andrew McGrath, but there's no DE%, Effective Disposals, or metres gained there.

 

[KohPhi]

Yep. Especially when we (the internet nuffies) have no idea about the actual skill sets and tactical minds of those we hire.

This idea that we need the assistant coach equivalent of a chess grandmaster is growing legs because it's such a simplistic and convenient concept.

Is Yze a tactical genius, or did he simply land at a club right in their sweet spot, with a list receptive to his ideas about ball movement and capable of executing them?

Good point B_B.. similar to many asking for someone to play the 'Choco Williams' role.
Only the people at Clublabd will know if he genuinely added a significant dimension to Melbourne's prep, or as you put it, did he arrive at a time when the list was ready to explode.

Im thinking a little from A and a little from B.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Also dogs play a distinct brand, rolling up extra numbers at stoppages and chaining out by hand and short kicks with overlap run.

Melbourne were distinct this year for their defensive structures...not just Lever and May but being organised all over the ground and setting up a grid formation, making them hard to score against. They defended and set up differently to previous years with new assistants, despite the same head coach and players except Ben Brown.

Cant understand people undervaluing tactics. You need both elite tactics and player commitment to win flags.

You do - but that doesn't by extension necessitate the hiring of some kind of tactical genius. Just as likely that a group of coaches pooling their collective experience and learnings, and working collaboratively on building a gameplan suitable to the list they have, could come up with something effective.

Was Richmond's gameplan tactical genius, or was it the result of trial and error over years through multiple gameplans that didn't work as well for the list they had? Is Melbourne's gameplan tactical genius, or is it just solid defensive football supported by the best ruck and contested ball brigade in the comp? Is the Bulldog's gameplan genius, or did it just wilt in the face of solid defensive football supported by the best ruck and contested ball brigade in the comp?

We do need smart coaches. More than one. We need some with an eye for the game and the ability to read what opposition sides are going to do and put forward some ideas to counter that. But this notion that we need to hire one of the 2 or 3 "tactics guy" names that keep popping up in the echo chamber of BF is only going to lead to frustration for people with no idea about the qualities and capabilities of the group of coaches we end up with.

 

[ferrisb]

Has no one nominated us yet today?

C'mon....it's already 9:30am!!!!

 

[Blue__Balls]

Good point B_B.. similar to many asking for someone to play the 'Choco Williams' role.
Only the people at Clublabd will know if he genuinely added a significant dimension to Melbourne's prep, or as you put it, did he arrive at a time when the list was ready to explode.

Im thinking a little from A and a little from B.

Both, for sure. How often do you hear of a "tactical genius" from a bottom 6 club. Their reputations are tied to the results of the team, and the results of the team are determined by a lot more than how an assistant says they should move the ball. It's a factor, but not necessarily a critical or even significant one.

 

[carltonchelsea]

You could have just said nice Brighton boy. The rest is a given

Lol
My best mate is a “Brighton boy” and he’s a complete campaigner of a bloke!

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Has no one nominated us yet today?

C'mon....it's already 9:30am!!!!

Carlton recruiters furiously scrambling through YouTube footage from the last 5 years to find any players that had a blinder against us.

Because that’s how we do it.

 

[KohPhi]

Yep, but this idea that we need to have a specialised A-Team of assistants is getting a little bit comical. We need the gruff but lovable hard nut, we need the scary old dude, we need the nurturing relationship builder, we need the aloof tactical genius - once we complete the set we're guaranteed a flag

Nailed it.

 

[ferrisb]

Carlton recruiters furiously scrambling through YouTube footage from the last 5 years to find any players that had a blinder against us.

Shouldn't be hard.

That's about 90% of the league...

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Shouldn't be hard.

That's about 90% of the league...

Filter it down to did nothing against anyone else and currently can't get a game and you'll figure out who we're looking at

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Shouldn't be hard.

That's about 90% of the league...

We still managed to drop 2mil on half back flankers in the last 12 months.

Is what some sceptical people may say....

 

[Crippablues]

Facebook has been down all night and is still down. How are we supposed to get the best Intel from Brett Temple now?

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[Matty411]

Young does not seem good in any position. Feels like 13 games in 2 seasons and delist

Woah, fella. The kid isn't in the door yet and you're already writing him off! Give him a chance at least haha

 

[Wickzki]

Carlton recruiters furiously scrambling through YouTube footage from the last 5 years to find any players that had a blinder against us.

Beacause that’s how we do it.

Inb4 Carlton throw the dice on an underrated, unheralded, inauspicious talent in D. Martin.

 

[ferrisb]

Facebook has been down all night and is still down. How are we supposed to get the best Intel from Brett Temple now?

This should help....