Bluemour Season Blast Off Edition XXXIII

[smashbox gill]

Setterfield is utter useless. He wouldn't be in our best 23 if all were fit

A year is a long time in footy. People have short memories

 

[CoachB]

I particularly liked the "I have a thoery that many people won't like" knowing full well it appeals to the masses who want a scapegoat. It has to be someone's fault! Gibbs and Murphy are easy targets and get the pitchforks raised.

Carlton supporters used to treat their champions with a bit of respect. I personally find it disgusting.

Our "champions" used to win Premierships!!

 

[La Dispute]

I have a theory that many people won't like, I have nothing solid to go on, just a hunch and could be totally wrong.

Murphy, Gibbs were soft sooks, who could cruise on ability and be good AFL players in their prime, they were the messiah's and touted as the chosen ones. However they lacked the drive, desire and hardness to be great.

Simpson and carrazo were part of this clique and although hard workers were snarky and not warm welcoming or encouraging to younger players/leaders of men. I once heard carrots say to Judd "my god he is a mental midget" when Kane Lucas missed a set from 30m at training. The way he said it seemed mean and cold.

Krezuer only gave on field leadership through action and not really part of any leadership/influence off field.


Anyway these guys weren't leaders, yet they were the "cool/alpha group" at the club. They aren't Josh Kennedy, Jude Bolton, Luke Parker types or Hodge, Roughead, Lewis kind of champions/leaders.



I have a feeling with Murphy now gone, there is an ability for some new guys to move into these hard to define social/on field/leader posts of the club and hopefully shake this losing culture that has plagued the club since 2002.

Great post.

These guys were adulated because they were high draft picks who were the key to unlocking our next premiership, and because we had three prized picks who had bucketloads of talent that’d be the formula for success. When Judd came on board, and with Fevola at his peak, it was a foregone conclusion.

In hindsight the club had a lot of issues, lots of silent leadership, cliques, a poorly run and funded footy department which meant not only these guys didn’t reach any great heights (aware Murph was AFLCA), but few on the list reached their potential.

Does feel like with Murphy gone we’ve got some clean air.

 

[lex3191]

Hmmmmm.

I’d prefer one that tackles and kicks goals.............

Tbph I don’t know that much about Hill. I think you’ve all persuaded me to back in our young blokes

 

[blues4flag]

To me the right structure is Cripps captain. Get his head right that he needs to do the hard things and forget the flashy things, and he’ll get back to his best. Cripps is an inspirational, vocal, alpha leader type.

Doc would be a superb VC to me. The perfect 2IC, who brings the calm, sensible-haircut “ok here’s what to do” follow up to something rousing and revving from Cripps. He’s like the military second in command who does the orders after the boss has delivered the spray.

Cripps heart, aggro, excitement… in the thick of it. Doc cool, professional, consistent…. Stepped back and observing.

How I always thought it should be.

Weiters seems the obvious captain. Stern, no nonsense, excellent communicator and says it how he is. Big imposing figure, general of our defence, calm and collected. He seems to relish the leadership role.

In an ideal world he'd be sole captain. Not sure that's possible but wouldn't be surprised if he replaced Doc as co captain.

 

[Worm4]

A year is a long time in footy. People have short memories

Yep, and I also quoted that L. OBRIEN would be delisted by seasons end and got laughed at. And I wasn't wrong on that call. Setterfield, confidence shot doesn't chase, unaccountable what more can I say....

 

[blues4flag]

Yep, and I also quoted that L. OBRIEN would be delisted by seasons end and got laughed at. And I wasn't wrong on that call. Setterfield, confidence shot doesn't chase, unaccountable what more can I say....

Looked terrible but supposedly his groins were shot. Would explain the huge drop in form over 2020.

 

[BigFrizz36]

I can tell you now - Walsh wins it.

Fairly close though. Reckon my market held up pretty well.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Thought it might be worth getting a view on Muprh’s leadership from someone who would actually have some idea. I don’t know about anyone else but these sorts of opinions mean far more to me than any agenda some posters on here may have

"Agenda"

 

[WalshYouLegend]

I can tell you now - Walsh wins it.

And just got official confirmation now my confident prediction was correct.

Go Walshy you legend!

 

[BlueJet]

Fair enough, that is your opinion.

Im of the opinion that he shouldn’t get games ahead of our youngsters, that’s all.

Sure, the onus is on the youngsters to have a crack & outperform him though.
Rather than death riding someone that is getting the most of himself, perhaps question why supposedly more talented players cannot dislodge him from the side.

 

[VainGlorious]

Sure, the onus is on the youngsters to have a crack & outperform him though.
Rather than death riding someone that is getting the most of himself, perhaps question why supposedly more talented players cannot dislodge him from the side.

Ugh, this Gibbons v Newnes kerfuffle was so yesterday dude, we are talking about how it was all Murphy, Gibbs and Simmo’s fault that we had a terrible culture for the last 15 years.

Keep up

 

[BlueJet]

Thought it might be worth getting a view on Muprh’s leadership from someone who would actually have some idea. I don’t know about anyone else but these sorts of opinions mean far more to me than any agenda some posters on here may have

100%, while he was a shadow of his former self in recent years, he does deserve respect for what he did for our club.
He's broken his body for the club so some peaheart on the internet can sink the boot in.. frankly, it's a joke.

 

[BlueJet]

Ugh, this Gibbons v Newnes kerfuffle was so yesterday dude, we are talking about how it was all Murphy, Gibbs and Simmo’s fault that we had a terrible culture for the last 15 years.

Keep up

My bad mate! Work has been hectic so I'm playing catch up - but dw, I'm already up to sneering at those who pot Murph.

 

[carltonchelsea]

My favourite part is the "I have a theory..." bit.
It then evolves into fact and further outrageous posts are made based on it.

And the big JuJu atop of the mount is counting all our blessings!

 

[BlueJet]

My favourite part is the "I have a theory..." bit.
It then evolves into fact and further outrageous posts are made based on it.

That's bigfooty 101, really.
Plenty wrote off Lloyd & Liddle based on a similar level of discourse.

Edit: I've gone into bat for Newnes, Murph, Liddle & Lloyd - go I get shares in the unpopular opinions thread or something?

 

[La Dispute]

Thought it might be worth getting a view on Muprh’s leadership from someone who would actually have some idea. I don’t know about anyone else but these sorts of opinions mean far more to me than any agenda some posters on here may have

Where’s the proof of an agenda?

In any case some people aren’t big fans of Marc Murphy, and even the most staunch Murphy fan would concede in some small part he has put his own needs ahead of the club this season.

With all due respect to Stocker he is a young guy who hasn’t had the benefit of some strong leadership and the club as a whole has been bereft of this for a long period. Cripps says similar things about Murph, but realistically they don’t have a lot to compare to. He was captain when Cripps came in and outside of Doc (and himself) is the only skipper he’s worked under. There’s no other point of reference.

On BnF night there is only going to be positive sentiment towards outgoing senior players - especially a former captain and 300 game player. Don’t take Stocker’s complimentary view of Murphy as a true representation of his leadership. Players also have their biases and older guys will choose who they invest in - maybe Stocker is just one of the few Murphy has made an effort with.

The players non-reaction to Murphy following his 300th game was far more telling IMO.

I suspect the players are going to be shocked when they see the kind of leadership Voss, Hamill and co bring to the table.

 

[KnobHead]

Yep, and I also quoted that L. OBRIEN would be delisted by seasons end and got laughed at. And I wasn't wrong on that call. Setterfield, confidence shot doesn't chase, unaccountable what more can I say....

You don’t have to say anymore.

Both players will be at the club in 2022.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Tjblues]

Where’s the proof of an agenda?

In any case some people aren’t big fans of Marc Murphy, and even the most staunch Murphy fan would concede in some small part he has put his own needs ahead of the club this season.

With all due respect to Stocker he is a young guy who hasn’t had the benefit of some strong leadership and the club as a whole has been bereft of this for a long period. Cripps says similar things about Murph, but realistically they don’t have a lot to compare to. He was captain when Cripps came in and outside of Doc (and himself) is the only skipper he’s worked under. There’s no other point of reference.

On BnF night there is only going to be positive sentiment towards outgoing senior players - especially a former captain and 300 game player. Don’t take Stocker’s complimentary view of Murphy as a true representation of his leadership. Players also have their biases and older guys will choose who they invest in - maybe Stocker is just one of the few Murphy has made an effort with.

The players non-reaction to Murphy following his 300th game was far more telling IMO.

I suspect the players are going to be shocked when they see the kind of leadership Voss, Hamill and co bring to the table.

So just to clarify, actual quotes from players at the footy club are less of an indicator of Murphy’s leadership than their body language after a 95 point loss?

Im going to listen to what his teammates have to say about him, feel free to keep basing your opinion off the “vibe”

 

[Blue_Steel89]

I loved seeing Weitering's speech after he was advised he placed 2nd in tonight JN medal. All class and towards the end it looked like he was trying to hold back his excitement at the upcoming season and the fact that a lot of the boys have been getting down to the club on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays already.

The last few seasons I always got my hopes up and got very excited for the next season after the changes and growth we should have had. This yeah I am keeping a lid on it but thinking about who we have brought in coach wise along with the additions of Hewett, Cez and Young, I am starting to feel the excitement building again.

As hard this millenium has been for our Blue Baggers, I still love supporting them.

 

[La Dispute]

So just to clarify, actual quotes from players at the footy club are less of an indicator of Murphy’s leadership than their body language after a 95 point loss?

Im going to listen to what his teammates have to say about him, feel free to keep basing your opinion off the “vibe”

Context is pretty important. No one is going to slate a player at their final BnF.

Definitely interesting how little attention the players gave him after his final game. That isn’t a ‘vibe’

I can’t recall any recent examples of players from another club giving such an underwhelming/non-existent send off to a 300 game veteran.

 

[thylacine60]

I have said more than once on here, that when this rebuild started back at the 2015 draft and trade period, the first thing SOS should have done was put them all up for trade.

You're amazing. What extraordinary insight.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Setterfield is utter useless. He wouldn't be in our best 23 if all were fit

Thats not at all correct. He is a pure inside midfielder, his problem is versatility. It's inside midfielder or nothing for him.

 

[carlton_99]

I have said more than once on here, that when this rebuild started back at the 2015 draft and trade period, the first thing SOS should have done was put them all up for trade.

Yep a team with no leaders... fun times

 

[Blue and Blue]

Our "champions" used to win Premierships!!

Our "supporters" used to go a lot better also........ enough said