Bluemour Season Blast Off Edition XXXIII

[BigFrizz36]

Murphy < 220 games was great, I think it's the > 220 games where by age, effect of wear and tear, etc he became less inclined to put his body on the line. To me that's where a player in a contact sport needs to question whether they should and can continue on. At 250 games it was evident he should have done best by himself and the club and bow out as a 250 game champion. He was not owed an extra 50 games due to his service at the club, captaincy etc. I'm sure the club has looked after him very well and the contacts afforded to him and his Mrs to allow him to have a very financial and stable life post footy.

Sorry to be pedantic but the 220 game thing is quite simply not true.

Murphy played games 215 - 236 in 2017 and averaged 29.81 disposals per game and won our best and fairest

He played games 237 - 249 in 2018 (copped an injury and missed a few) and averaged 26 disposals a game.

He played games 250 - 268 in 2019 and averaged 25.42 disposals a game and finished 8th in our best and fairest. Not earth shattering but still solid.

In 2020 from game 269 onwards his output began to drop with just under 19 disposals a game for the year. A drop clearly but suggestive if a different role playing more half forward than on ball.

Just thought that it needed clearing up as things left unchallenged here gave a habit of being accepted as fact.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

I've never thought of the bloke as soft, even if later in his career he was physically pushed around more than we'd have liked. His physicality isn't what it was because he was recklessly brave a couple of times and got absolute whollopped for doing it. I'd wager that no one on this forum would run at a charging Patrick Dangerfield. That's just suicidal,

What - not true !!

Didn't you know all Carlton Big-Footy members are Ken Hunter level brave ???

 

[BigFrizz36]

How you get keyboard warrior out of someone stating their opinion on what they think a captain needs to be, is beyond me.
Nothing in your response states the reason he was, so I leave it at that.
Have a nice day.

More directed at another poster that wants to "dispute" anything to do with Marc Murphy than yourself you also have a nice day.

 

[El Topo]

You watched him enough to know?

it’s funny you know, because while you were watching, he was in the arena. 300 times over at that.

For most of his career we were rubbish. You never saw him single out his teammates who weren’t up to it, or throw pretzels at them. And as a highly talented player, he never left, even as he would have started to realise success wasn’t coming. Navy blue start to finish, despite what he copped from supporters.
He had a rough season and age caught up with him; not the first and won’t be the last in that position. You know it probably stings him more than it does you? Because again, he was actually in the arena.

But please tell me more about how you’ve watched enough to know…

300 game sample space indicates that we have in fact watched him enough to form our various conclusions - positive or negative

 

[thylacine60]

Typically in this place no-one slagging off the player would ever consider saying any of it to his face.

 

[Coops93]

What - not true !!

Didn't you know all Carlton Big-Footy members are Ken Hunter level brave ???

I mean, obviously I was excluding myself from that list. If only it wasn't for this dodgy back I'd do it and put Danger on his arse

 

[VainGlorious]

I just hope everyone has a nice day

 

[El Topo]

Sorry to be pedantic but the 220 game thing is quite simply not true.

Murphy played games 215 - 236 in 2017 and averaged 29.81 disposals per game and won our best and fairest

He played games 237 - 249 in 2018 (copped an injury and missed a few) and averaged 26 disposals a game.

He played games 250 - 268 in 2019 and averaged 25.42 disposals a game and finished 8th in our best and fairest. Not earth shattering but still solid.

In 2020 from game 269 onwards his output began to drop with just under 19 disposals a game for the year. A drop clearly but suggestive if a different role playing more half forward than on ball.

Just thought that it needed clearing up as things left unchallenged here gave a habit of being accepted as fact.

It's an interesting breakdown - maybe the club would have made a braver decision in 2020 if Kreuzer's body didn't finally give in - or if Murph had the opportunity to retire in front of a home crowd

 

[CoachB]

Our "supporters" used to go a lot better also........ enough said

Our leaders used to lead, our midfielders used to tackle.

There is nothing wrong with expecting higher standards from highly paid footballers.

CB

 

[RPCB]

Typically in this place no-one slagging off the player would ever consider saying any of it to his face.

The best thing that has happened is Marc Murphy making it to 300 games. A lot of our supporters will be triggered by it for the rest of their lives.

 

[Magruder]

Typically in this place no-one slagging off the player would ever consider saying any of it to his face.

and with good reason...

 

[Gethelred]

Our leaders used to lead, our midfielders used to tackle.

There is nothing wrong with expecting higher standards from highly paid footballers.

CB

Between 2009 and 2018, Murphy averaged either side of 4 tackles a game, either side of 25 disposals a game, around .8 goals a game. He won games off his own boot, despite AFL being a sport that in a modern context doesn't allow players to win games themselves. It's a team sport, and Murphy has spent 7+ years in an average to poor side.

I have a question for you. How do you quantify leadership in an AFL context without discussing performance? Is Devon Smith a great leader because he averages 5 tackles a game (which, I might add, is only due to the single season in which he averaged 8.4 tackles a game; otherwise, his stats sit at around 4.5 tackles a game)?

Michael Voss is a great player and leader, yes? Would it surprise you to know that he averaged 2.1 tackles a game? Cue the 'different era' comments; you're aware he played his final match in 2006, right? The same year that Murphy debuted, and averaged the exact same tackles per game.

I think it's interesting that the criticism here runs along the lines of 'highly paid footballers'. Is it the lack of tackling and leadership you're disputing, or their pay? Can you make that argument without sounding like a stakeholder, ensuring that you get your money's worth?

 

[bmaurizio]

Marc Murphy like his father are champions of their respective AFL Clubs and to take a swipe at great club servants is ungracious.

 

[footyfan1978]

Sorry to be pedantic but the 220 game thing is quite simply not true.

Murphy played games 215 - 236 in 2017 and averaged 29.81 disposals per game and won our best and fairest

He played games 237 - 249 in 2018 (copped an injury and missed a few) and averaged 26 disposals a game.

He played games 250 - 268 in 2019 and averaged 25.42 disposals a game and finished 8th in our best and fairest. Not earth shattering but still solid.

In 2020 from game 269 onwards his output began to drop with just under 19 disposals a game for the year. A drop clearly but suggestive if a different role playing more half forward than on ball.

Just thought that it needed clearing up as things left unchallenged here gave a habit of being accepted as fact.

Well said.

 

[ferrisb]

Marc Murphy like his father are champions of their respective AFL Clubs and to take a swipe at great club servants is ungracious.

There is room for constructive criticism; commentary and and negative opinions are fine.

Open slagging, overly biased opinions or incessant criticism... probably not.

It can be a fine line, and some posters struggle to see it. That is all.

 

[The Great Ian]

All indicators point to Murphy playing two years too many.

I put the blame on the Football dept for that and they’ve mostly been moved on now.

The line has most definitely been drawn under that time now by Sayers and it’s time to look forward.


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[CoachB]

Between 2009 and 2018, Murphy averaged either side of 4 tackles a game, either side of 25 disposals a game, around .8 goals a game. He won games off his own boot, despite AFL being a sport that in a modern context doesn't allow players to win games themselves. It's a team sport, and Murphy has spent 7+ years in an average to poor side.

I have a question for you. How do you quantify leadership in an AFL context without discussing performance? Is Devon Smith a great leader because he averages 5 tackles a game (which, I might add, is only due to the single season in which he averaged 8.4 tackles a game; otherwise, his stats sit at around 4.5 tackles a game)?

Michael Voss is a great player and leader, yes? Would it surprise you to know that he averaged 2.1 tackles a game? Cue the 'different era' comments; you're aware he played his final match in 2006, right? The same year that Murphy debuted, and averaged the exact same tackles per game.

I think it's interesting that the criticism here runs along the lines of 'highly paid footballers'. Is it the lack of tackling and leadership you're disputing, or their pay? Can you make that argument without sounding like a stakeholder, ensuring that you get your money's worth?

Leadership is all about culture of which we have been bereft.

CB

 

[Weiterbot23]

Leadership is all about culture of which we have been bereft.

CB

Wrong!


1. Abraham Lincoln

2. Winston Churchill

3. Marc Murphy

4. Nelson Mandela

5. Mahatma Gandhi

 

[blues4flag]

Show me some proof these guys have commented on Murphy’s exceptional leadership? Second time asking.

Who said anything about celebrating after after a loss? I said the players completely ignored our outgoing 300 game veteran in his final game. This didn’t occur with Simmo the previous year, in very similar circumstances.

I think there is as much shoehorning coming across from the other side.

Some players just aren’t strong leaders, and unfortunately Murphy sits in that boat, despite copping the captaincy and being one few veterans on our list.

I see where you're coming from and I was also surprised at the lack of adulation for Murphy in game 300. Really disappointed me to see him standing there with no one from Carlton getting across to him (except for Fisher, from memory).

But a couple weeks later, Betts got a very similar reception, and don't think there's any doubt that he's a loved member of the playing group.

I reckon it was more to do with a general feeling of deflation around the club after a very long season and a botched review process. Hard to get too excited with all that was happening in the background.

 

[out of harmes' way]

Marc Murphy like his father are champions of their respective AFL Clubs and to take a swipe at great club servants is ungracious.

Think Murphy was definitely a better player prior to being made captain. As far as our captains are concerned he would not rank in the top 5. Played for two years too long and limped to 300.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Don't get the Murphy negativity...
He is an absolute Carlton ledged.. Has done more for Carlton FC and the game than all of us combined..

300 Game Player
6x years Carlton Captain
2x John Nicholls Medal winner
2011 All-Australian team
2008 Australian representative honours in international rules football
2011 AFL Coaches' Association (AFLCA) Champion Player of the Year
2006 AFL Players Association (AFLPA) Best First Year Player
2006 AFL Rising Star nominee
2005 Larke Medal

 

[DamianBis]

Typically in this place no-one slagging off the player would ever consider saying any of it to his face.

That's a dumb argument. I wouldn't say it to his face as that's incredibly rude to just walk up to someone and tell them you thought their last 3 years of work was pretty bad..

I also wouldn't post it on his instagram.

Discussing it on an internet forum is completely different though. We're discussing what we think of AFL players, some of those thoughts are going to be negative. There's a huge difference between that and stalking down a player to tell them to their face you think they're shit.

 

[Magruder]

That's a dumb argument. I wouldn't say it to his face as that's incredibly rude to just walk up to someone and tell them you thought their last 3 years of work was pretty bad..

I also wouldn't post it on his instagram.

Discussing it on an internet forum is completely different though. We're discussing what we think of AFL players, some of those thoughts are going to be negative. There's a huge difference between that and stalking down a player to tell them to their face you think they're sh*t.

so its' OK to do it anonymously on here?

 

[bmaurizio]

There is room for constructive criticism; commentary and and negative opinions are fine.

Open slagging, overly biased opinions or incessant criticism... probably not.

It can be a fine line, and some posters struggle to see it. That is all.

We’ll I would suggest, one could take off the provocative blinkers and see a wider dimension.

 

[Faz 2000]

Being overly-critical or negative of our players is pretty painful. But being idiotically one-eyed and positive about everything is just as bad.

Surely we can separate our love and support for our club and players from our objective observation and opinions about their effectiveness?

I WANT all our players to be the best at what they do. I THINK that some of our players are crap or have gaping chasms between where they are where they need to be. But that doesn't mean I do not still support them.