Bluemour Season Blast Off Edition XXXIII

[carlton_99]

IF ...

Damo wasn't such a sausage with his critical comments of Carlton

THEN ...

The footy world would be a better place.


What you're saying doesn't mean we're not a destination club either Damo, but what does mean we are a destination club is getting quality people choose Carlton over others. Hello Cerra. Hello Cook.

We must be pretty special to get two mentions this week. Also got a bit of serve regarding SPS's value in West Coast's IF/THEN section

 

[CoachB]

It is with extreme difficulty that a post manages to both shift the goalposts and muddy the waters in a single sentence.

Dear Wally,
Our recent leaders have set no standards, and have been happy going around accumulating meaningless stats and losing.
If that makes them champions then I am seriously concerned about your level of acceptable performance.
We have been conditioned to accept losing because "he is a good guy". I am more inclined to go with Sellars view of the world than yours. The playing group haven't demanded enough.
CB

 

[VainGlorious]

Our leaders used to lead, our midfielders used to tackle.

There is nothing wrong with expecting higher standards from highly paid footballers.

CB

At the end of the day I couldn’t give a shit who pulls on the jumper or how much they’re paid, I just want to see effort.

Unconditional effort.

I don’t think that is beyond the realms of possibility.

 

[carlton_99]

Pure guess work. Were they valuable leaders? You have no idea of knowing whether we would have been worse or not without the "leadership" of Simpson and Murphy.

Yes that is my opinion. Just like your opinion is we should have gotten rid of them. There's no way for you to know that it would have resulted in us being in a better position.

 

[bmaurizio]

A last comment on the topic, Murph was pummeled badly by Rob Copland at the Gabba in his first year, probably cost him the Rising Star award, still manged to win CFC & AFLPA Best first year player and managing a top 10 position in B&F Blues too, playing 13 games.
Dangerfield pummeled him too not pretty, yet all is forgotten very quickly, his achievements and sacrifices for choosing to become a Bagger.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

We must be pretty special to get two mentions this week. Also got a bit of serve regarding SPS's value in West Coast's IF/THEN section

Yeah, his West Coast one was so Captain Obvious I feel embarrassed for him. He must be really digging if that's the best he can come up with. What's his point? Yes SPS' value has slipped. Hopefully he can perform better with a fresh start at WCE with more consistent effort.

 

[Aphrodite]

*BUMP

Enough of the Murphy bashing.

Pages & pages of it.


MOVE ON!

Still happening since last night.

Time to move on.

Bluemours anyone!

 

[BigFrizz36]

Don't get the Murphy negativity...
He is an absolute Carlton ledged.. Has done more for Carlton FC and the game than all of us combined..

300 Game Player
6x years Carlton Captain
2x John Nicholls Medal winner
2011 All-Australian team
2008 Australian representative honours in international rules football
2011 AFL Coaches' Association (AFLCA) Champion Player of the Year
2006 AFL Players Association (AFLPA) Best First Year Player
2006 AFL Rising Star nominee
2005 Larke Medal

And chuck in 4 times runner up in the best and fairest, so top 2 six times.

 

[Gethelred]

Dear Wally,
Our recent leaders have set no standards, and have been happy going around accumulating meaningless stats and losing.
If that makes them champions then I am seriously concerned about your level of acceptable performance.
We have been conditioned to accept losing because "he is a good guy". I am more inclined to go with Sellars view of the world than yours. The playing group haven't demanded enough.
CB

Dear CB,

You've changed the goalposts again, and you're arguing with things I haven't said.

This is a list of the things you've argued:
Post 1: Leaders used to lead and midfielders used to tackle.
I point out that Murphy lead from the front, and was extremely consistent for the majority of his career.
Post 2: Leadership is about culture.
I point out that isn't what you originally said, and that culture is a buzzword.

Now, we're onto this post, in which you've imagined several different things that I haven't said. If you want to shout at imaginary villains, I'd consider picking slightly more hostile targets than me; I'm just a dude on the other end of the internet.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

A last comment on the topic, Murph was pummeled badly by Rob Copland at the Gabba in his first year, probably cost him the Rising Star award, still manged to win CFC & AFLPA Best first year player and managing a top 10 position in B&F Blues too, playing 13 games.
Dangerfield pummeled him too not pretty, yet all is forgotten very quickly, his achievements and sacrifices for choosing to become a Bagger.

The guy was forced to play inside mid with Judd and after Judd. He was brilliant at it too, yet it really was a disservise by the club and it's recruiters to not stock up the bigger bodied mids and let Murph do what he was best at on the outside.

Remarkable career as a tiny midfielder playing inside mid.

 

[Hands On]

The Post that Started all of this was more so insinuating that leadership was lacking during Murph's captaincy and the existence of a few introverted senior players that didn't embrace encourage or nurture new recruits they way the should have. It alluded to a Cliquey boys club etc. With this i agree and comments made about Simmo and Carrots etc, i have heard as well.

But how did it turn on Murphy's football ability, courage etc has got me stunned. Not everyone is a raging bull, Murph in his hey day was all class and there are just as many examples where he put his body on the line. My son is 24 and still wears his number on his jumper with pride.

 

[Magruder]

The real question that needs to be asked is not of the performance of champions and the so called human milestones. But of those that make them important and why we place so much weight on them.

• Marc Murphy is a champion whether he played 292 or 300.
• A batsman/women that makes 99 or 101. Both equally significant. Way more important are averages, strike rates, opposition, the conditions & moments you make them in.

Doubt Bradman would be seen in different light if he averaged 100 rather than 99.99. A champion is a champion.

But if you attempt to achieve a milestone it must be done with integrity.

99.94

sorry.

 

[FRUMPY]

99.94

sorry.

99.94 is more interesting than 100 anyway i reckon

 

[TENACIOUS]

And chuck in 4 times runner up in the best and fairest, so top 2 six times.

It's funny...
You could guarantee that on more than one occasion..

Murphy has made all the naysayers, jump out of their chair with excitement,
cheer in excitement and have their heart skip a beat when he kicked crucial goals or won crucial possessions...

 

[thylacine60]

I've never really considered this a club supporters forum. I've always thought of it as a Carlton discussion forum.

then can you point me to the place where supporters gather online to actually support? not the place where clowns presume discussion stands for belittle and insult the club, its players past and present, and any other aspect of carlton fc they can use to feed their sad little egos? can ya? can ya?

 

[Weiterbot23]

It's funny...
You could guarantee that on more than one occasion..

Murphy has made all the naysayers, jump out of their chair with excitement,
cheer in excitement and have their heart skip a beat when he kicked crucial goals or won crucial possessions...

Where would you rank Murphys leadership as a captain compared to all the other captains you have seen in your time?

If you had to list them where would he be?

 

[Wickzki]

Pure guess work. Were they valuable leaders? You have no idea of knowing whether we would have been worse or not without the "leadership" of Simpson and Murphy.

Read what Liam Stocker said last night about Murphy.

That's enough for me.

 

[Wickzki]

Where would you rank Murphys leadership as a captain compared to all the other captains you have seen in your time?

If you had to list them where would he be?

1. Sticks
2. Bradley
3. Judd
4. Murphy
5. McKay / Ratten (were at the end when captains)
6. Kouta
7. Cripps / Docherty
8. Whitnall

Some great players there but as for captaincy falls away after Judd.

 

[VainGlorious]

 

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[VainGlorious]

I suppose we can all lay the boots into Judd then for using too much tape on his shoulders?

 

[CoachB]

Dear CB,

You've changed the goalposts again, and you're arguing with things I haven't said.

This is a list of the things you've argued:
Post 1: Leaders used to lead and midfielders used to tackle.
I point out that Murphy lead from the front, and was extremely consistent for the majority of his career.
Post 2: Leadership is about culture.
I point out that isn't what you originally said, and that culture is a buzzword.

Now, we're onto this post, in which you've imagined several different things that I haven't said. If you want to shout at imaginary villains, I'd consider picking slightly more hostile targets than me; I'm just a dude on the other end of the internet.

I've had to skirt around the issue because the post that I really wanted to make was deleted.
My key point MM is not a champion. Full stop.

 

[Gethelred]

I've had to skirt around the issue because the post that I really wanted to make was deleted.
My key point MM is not a champion. Full stop.

You're still arguing with something I haven't said.

Find in my entire posting history where I called Marc Murphy a champion. I'll wait. Then, when you've stopped jumping at shadows, we can have another conversation.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Read what Liam Stocker said last night about Murphy.

That's enough for me.

I have never questioned his leadership. My post about a dozen pages back was my opinion that we should have traded Gibbs, Murphy, Kruezer and Simpson before the 2015 draft. Thats where the rebuild should have started IMO. I have had no part in the Murphy bashing in the previous dozen pages slamming him or his leadership.

 

[BlueTongue]

I've had to skirt around the issue because the post that I really wanted to make was deleted.
My key point MM is not a champion. Full stop.

Wrong. Full Stop.