Bluemour Season Blast Off Edition XXXIII

[Cripps2Walsh]

Lots of chatter about Sholl. I am wondering why we haven't had more interest in Tanner Bruhn.

Has played a wing/high half fwd role at the Giants, AND has the ability to go inside the contest. Previous pick 12, the talent is there. Vic boy that reportedly wants to come home.

Should come relatively cheaply, maybe not as cheap as Sholl.

 

[RPCB]

Lots of chatter about Sholl. I am wondering why we haven't had more interest in Tanner Bruhn.

Has played a wing/high half fwd role at the Giants, AND has the ability to go inside the contest. Previous pick 12, the talent is there. Vic boy that reportedly wants to come home.

Should come relatively cheaply, maybe not as cheap as Sholl.

He’s from Geelong and will likely end up there.

 

[Cripps2Walsh]

He’s from Geelong and will likely end up there.

I mean, so is Walshy and the Curnows...

Would still love us to have a crack.

 

[Aphrodite]

Buddy for 1 year

 

[Blue__Balls]

Lots of chatter about Sholl. I am wondering why we haven't had more interest in Tanner Bruhn.

Has played a wing/high half fwd role at the Giants, AND has the ability to go inside the contest. Previous pick 12, the talent is there. Vic boy that reportedly wants to come home.

Should come relatively cheaply, maybe not as cheap as Sholl.

He projects more as a genuine midfielder than a wing. There are some similarities to Carroll in the profile and long term role, so perhaps just not worth the investment.

Had we missed on Cerra, then I'd be all over Bruhn this year though.

The wing, on the other hand, is an area we're needing to invest in. LOB isnt far off, but may not make that last step he needs to become a guaranteed starter. Cottrell is developing well. Beyond them, it's what, Newnes? Maybe Hayes? Or shoehorn in Boyd or Williams when they're probably better suited elsewhere?

 

[Benga]

If he’s above Cotts he’s a state grade 1500 runner.

Is he?

Firstly, I’m not really sure of the relevance.

Secondly, I’d have no idea what times you’d need to run to make it as a state level 1500m runner.

Thirdly, as others have pointed out, Sholl regularly hits approximately 17km covered on game day. Unmatched by anyone in the competition, let alone Carlton.

Im not sure how one determines the ‘best’ runner in the comp, but if im picking someone to run a half marathon and win it, it’s Sholl.

 

[Forty3]

Lots of chatter about Sholl. I am wondering why we haven't had more interest in Tanner Bruhn.

Has played a wing/high half fwd role at the Giants, AND has the ability to go inside the contest. Previous pick 12, the talent is there. Vic boy that reportedly wants to come home.

Should come relatively cheaply, maybe not as cheap as Sholl.

We are moving into a new phase of list management now.
Gotta remember we have 38 spots + rookies and only $13.5m to spend.
Got a huge core of B-A+ talent that will command a large salary, we now need to fill out depth with role player we can get for bargain basement prices that we think can provide legitimate competition for spots.
This is a tricky balance. The easiest is to keep topping up with kids from the draft as they present the cheapest options, but then there’s a chance you end up with an age chasm in your list (port for example)

In Sholl we see a kid who has displayed high level footskills on both sides of the body, had 3 of the 4 highest km’s covered in games in 2021 and has potential to work into a rotation in a position we are light on in. Has shown he has the ability to play at the level (2 time rising star nom). But is currently playing in a side that doesn’t do any favours to its wing position. Doesn’t necessarily see eye to eye with the coach, but has still shown he’s willing to work hard in the 2s.

Clubs/players love to throw around the line the the second you enter a club the number you were picked at in the draft is forgotten, but one group of people never forget, the player managers. Bruhn fits into that category. There is ‘cheap’ options then then there are CHEAP options.
Also, whilst Bruhn is immensely talented, our LM and MC teams have finally come to terms with the fact we respect the wing as a position in its own right, we no longer want it to be a position that young inside kids go to waste away.
As it stands the club will be wanting to keep its 1st and 2nd round picks for the draft in the coming few years to bring in top end talent, whilst looking to maintain balance in age and wage with later round pick deals.

 

[Cripps2Walsh]

He projects more as a genuine midfielder than a wing. There are some similarities to Carroll in the profile and long term role, so perhaps just not worth the investment.

Had we missed on Cerra, then I'd be all over Bruhn this year though.

The wing, on the other hand, is an area we're needing to invest in. LOB isnt far off, but may not make that last step he needs to become a guaranteed starter. Cottrell is developing well. Beyond them, it's what, Newnes? Maybe Hayes? Or shoehorn in Boyd or Williams when they're probably better suited elsewhere?

Agreed - Tanner does look like a genuine mid. However, I do see a bit of Ed Langdon in him too.

Happy to persist with LOB, but the worries are there for sure. He has some big steps to make to solidify his spot, and I really hope he does. Cotts is not far off and looks like he will be a player.

Boyd and Williams for mine don't necessarily look to be the wingers we are after - especially not in Williams case, as his history suggests. They also look to be fighting for the same spot in the back pocket.

I did like the very few minutes of what I saw from Hayes on the weekend. However they are also just that - a few minutes. He may lack a yard of pace.

I'm all for as much talent we can get in the door. Perhaps we will look to the draft this year for that genuine winger.

 

[Cripps2Walsh]

We are moving into a new phase of list management now.
Gotta remember we have 38 spots + rookies and only $13.5m to spend.
Got a huge core of B-A+ talent that will command a large salary, we now need to fill out depth with role player we can get for bargain basement prices that we think can provide legitimate competition for spots.
This is a tricky balance. The easiest is to keep topping up with kids from the draft as they present the cheapest options, but then there’s a chance you end up with an age chasm in your list (port for example)

In Sholl we see a kid who has displayed high level footskills on both sides of the body, had 3 of the 4 highest km’s covered in games in 2021 and has potential to work into a rotation in a position we are light on in. Has shown he has the ability to play at the level (2 time rising star nom). But is currently playing in a side that doesn’t do any favours to its wing position. Doesn’t necessarily see eye to eye with the coach, but has still shown he’s willing to work hard in the 2s.

Clubs/players love to throw around the line the the second you enter a club the number you were picked at in the draft is forgotten, but one group of people never forget, the player managers. Bruhn fits into that category. There is ‘cheap’ options then then there are CHEAP options.
Also, whilst Bruhn is immensely talented, our LM and MC teams have finally come to terms with the fact we respect the wing as a position in its own right, we no longer want it to be a position that young inside kids go to waste away.
As it stands the club will be wanting to keep its 1st and 2nd round picks for the draft in the coming few years to bring in top end talent, whilst looking to maintain balance in age and wage with later round pick deals.

Thanks Forty3 - great response, and appreciate the insight.

 

[FRUMPY]

We are moving into a new phase of list management now.
Gotta remember we have 38 spots + rookies and only $13.5m to spend.
Got a huge core of B-A+ talent that will command a large salary, we now need to fill out depth with role player we can get for bargain basement prices that we think can provide legitimate competition for spots.
This is a tricky balance. The easiest is to keep topping up with kids from the draft as they present the cheapest options, but then there’s a chance you end up with an age chasm in your list (port for example)

In Sholl we see a kid who has displayed high level footskills on both sides of the body, had 3 of the 4 highest km’s covered in games in 2021 and has potential to work into a rotation in a position we are light on in. Has shown he has the ability to play at the level (2 time rising star nom). But is currently playing in a side that doesn’t do any favours to its wing position. Doesn’t necessarily see eye to eye with the coach, but has still shown he’s willing to work hard in the 2s.

Clubs/players love to throw around the line the the second you enter a club the number you were picked at in the draft is forgotten, but one group of people never forget, the player managers. Bruhn fits into that category. There is ‘cheap’ options then then there are CHEAP options.
Also, whilst Bruhn is immensely talented, our LM and MC teams have finally come to terms with the fact we respect the wing as a position in its own right, we no longer want it to be a position that young inside kids go to waste away.
As it stands the club will be wanting to keep its 1st and 2nd round picks for the draft in the coming few years to bring in top end talent, whilst looking to maintain balance in age and wage with later round pick deals.

Yeah the list is getting to the point we need to find hidden gems in lesser known players who will fill a need and not the A-Grade top $$$ player.

 

[Jeremias]

assuming this is sarcasm? (Coz I don't get the reference, which is on me)

Sigh...yes.

Lots of chatter about Sholl. I am wondering why we haven't had more interest in Tanner Bruhn.

Has played a wing/high half fwd role at the Giants, AND has the ability to go inside the contest. Previous pick 12, the talent is there. Vic boy that reportedly wants to come home.

Should come relatively cheaply, maybe not as cheap as Sholl.

Big fan of Bruhn. Reckon he'll be a terrific player wherever he lands in Victoria. But reasons for not going after him have been well covered above - unfortunately he's one we'll need to ignore.

 

[Arr0w]

We are moving into a new phase of list management now.
Gotta remember we have 38 spots + rookies and only $13.5m to spend.
Got a huge core of B-A+ talent that will command a large salary, we now need to fill out depth with role player we can get for bargain basement prices that we think can provide legitimate competition for spots.
This is a tricky balance. The easiest is to keep topping up with kids from the draft as they present the cheapest options, but then there’s a chance you end up with an age chasm in your list (port for example)

In Sholl we see a kid who has displayed high level footskills on both sides of the body, had 3 of the 4 highest km’s covered in games in 2021 and has potential to work into a rotation in a position we are light on in. Has shown he has the ability to play at the level (2 time rising star nom). But is currently playing in a side that doesn’t do any favours to its wing position. Doesn’t necessarily see eye to eye with the coach, but has still shown he’s willing to work hard in the 2s.

Clubs/players love to throw around the line the the second you enter a club the number you were picked at in the draft is forgotten, but one group of people never forget, the player managers. Bruhn fits into that category. There is ‘cheap’ options then then there are CHEAP options.
Also, whilst Bruhn is immensely talented, our LM and MC teams have finally come to terms with the fact we respect the wing as a position in its own right, we no longer want it to be a position that young inside kids go to waste away.
As it stands the club will be wanting to keep its 1st and 2nd round picks for the draft in the coming few years to bring in top end talent, whilst looking to maintain balance in age and wage with later round pick deals.

Thanks for the info

Always rated Sholl, but given he is contracted till 2024, is there any interest in a guy like Hinge?

Also, any news/names in terms of cheap tall options?

 

[Banga19]

We are moving into a new phase of list management now.
Gotta remember we have 38 spots + rookies and only $13.5m to spend.
Got a huge core of B-A+ talent that will command a large salary, we now need to fill out depth with role player we can get for bargain basement prices that we think can provide legitimate competition for spots.
This is a tricky balance. The easiest is to keep topping up with kids from the draft as they present the cheapest options, but then there’s a chance you end up with an age chasm in your list (port for example)

In Sholl we see a kid who has displayed high level footskills on both sides of the body, had 3 of the 4 highest km’s covered in games in 2021 and has potential to work into a rotation in a position we are light on in. Has shown he has the ability to play at the level (2 time rising star nom). But is currently playing in a side that doesn’t do any favours to its wing position. Doesn’t necessarily see eye to eye with the coach, but has still shown he’s willing to work hard in the 2s.

Clubs/players love to throw around the line the the second you enter a club the number you were picked at in the draft is forgotten, but one group of people never forget, the player managers. Bruhn fits into that category. There is ‘cheap’ options then then there are CHEAP options.
Also, whilst Bruhn is immensely talented, our LM and MC teams have finally come to terms with the fact we respect the wing as a position in its own right, we no longer want it to be a position that young inside kids go to waste away.
As it stands the club will be wanting to keep its 1st and 2nd round picks for the draft in the coming few years to bring in top end talent, whilst looking to maintain balance in age and wage with later round pick deals.

Thanks for that. Makes so much sense to have this approach.

Sholl would be a smart get I think, has the attributes to play the specific role Voss wants. Back in our development which is much improved and get him in our system.

 

[Jeremias]

Always rated Sholl, but given he is contracted till 2024, is there any interest in a guy like Hinge?

Not sure the contract matters much if he's not getting a look in.

Adelaide may be very prepared to move a player on if they don't see him in their long-term plans, which seems to be the case here.

 

[Choc Milk]

Buddy for 1 year

I doubt Vossy would make the same mistake twice.

 

[Arr0w]

Not sure the contract matters much if he's not getting a look in.

Adelaide may be very prepared to move a player on if they don't see him in their long-term plans, which seems to be the case here.

True, but they still have a position of strength with a contracted player. Perhaps it may be an exchange of players

 

[Justnetime]

How can you say that though when one is a 2nd year player with less than 20 senior games under his belt and the other is a two-time premiership player?

I like this image as it fits two responses equally.

Someone a few pages back said yuck to cam zurhaar. Rightly so. Someone else said yuck to a comparison between Honey and Petracca. Again rightly so.

The image is appropriate for both responses.

 

[Jeremias]

Someone else said yuck to a comparison between Honey and Petracca. Again rightly so.

Absolutely! But if someone can't look beyond the quality of a player when making comparisons then I will say perhaps making comparisons between players isn't an activity for them.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

He’s from Geelong and will likely end up there.

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I mean, so is Walshy and the Curnows...

Would still love us to have a crack.

I live in the Geelong area and I do think the 'go-home' factor for Geelong boys is a bit over-stated. No doubt there are some eager to get home but living only an hour away in Melbourne in the heart of football is preferable for some than moving back to sleepy hollow. Jono Brown, Luke Hodge, Jordan Lewis to name a few old boys that stayed away. As you say, Sammy Walsh and Chuck Curnow playing regularly in front of 40-50K plus crowds don't seem in any hurry.

Even if Bruhn did want to get to Geelong they still have to be able to do the deal.

 

[Jeremias]

I live in the Geelong area and I do think the 'go-home' factor for Geelong boys is a bit over-stated. No doubt there are some eager to get home but living only an hour away in Melbourne in the heart of football is preferable for some than moving back to sleepy hollow. Jono Brown, Luke Hodge, Jordan Lewis to name a few old boys that stayed away.

Even if Bruhn did want to get to Geelong they still have to be able to do the deal.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I'm not sure the examples are all that relevant given none of them moved home from interstate.

 

[BigFrizz36]

True, but they still have a position of strength with a contracted player. Perhaps it may be an exchange of players

To be fair he was drafted at 64 and is not currently getting a game in a poor team with one of their first choice wingers (Seedsman) unable to play so far this year.

Surely if he wanted to go we wouldn't be looking to give them any more than a 4th rounder, contracted or not.

Have heard that he is keen to play at Carlton and go one better than his father who played in our 1993 grand final loss.

 

[thylacine60]

To be fair he was drafted at 64 and is not currently getting a game in a poor team with one of their first choice wingers (Seedsman) unable to play so far this year.

Surely if he wanted to go we wouldn't be looking to give them any more than a 4th rounder, contracted or not.

Have heard that he is keen to play at Carlton and go one better than his father who played in our 1993 grand final loss.

How can you cite grand final statistics from a year that never actually occurred? Puzzling.

 

[marcmurphy3]

True, but they still have a position of strength with a contracted player. Perhaps it may be an exchange of players

I think we get him for a third rounder because he is contracted.

 

[Coops93]

How can you cite grand final statistics from a year that never actually occurred? Puzzling.

Oh sure, "never actually occured".

Next you'll tell me we didn't actually win 4 premierships in a row from 2012-2016 and that I'm "Just imagining things again".

 

[Sector 7G]

Lots of chatter about Sholl. I am wondering why we haven't had more interest in Tanner Bruhn.

Has played a wing/high half fwd role at the Giants, AND has the ability to go inside the contest. Previous pick 12, the talent is there. Vic boy that reportedly wants to come home.

Should come relatively cheaply, maybe not as cheap as Sholl.

I think he has been pretty underwhelming. Can't see where he would get a game at Carlton. When GWS already had a stacked midfield it seemed a dumb pick taking a vanilla mid. Another player that is not going to get a game, get frustrated and move home.