Bluemour 'Silly Season' Edition XXXIV

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Not sure if you can qualify this 10c. I heard scuttle pre-Brownlow that we were talking to Tom Mitchell. Hawks to pay a portion. Mitchell’s reaction on Brownlow night was interesting. Yes I know they work together, with Neale.

Quality player but pointless having Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy, Mitchell, Cerra & Walsh in the guts if we are roving to the oppositions ruckman.

 

[Mattyedwards]

Think he may be talking about a new rule the AFL has introduced where you can literally take another teams players salary on whilst they stay on the opposition teams list - so they can better manage their cap, and then receiving draft picks as compensation for that. May be reading it wrong though


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[ItsAllAboutMe]

Salary dump discussion is interesting and perhaps it allows us to move Fogarty and Dow on to free up list spaces and a little salary cap room. Fog, Dow and a future 2nd to North for a 3rd or something silly like that.

 

[Dramoth]

Year after, and plenty of water to go under the bridge before we move mountains to stockpile picks for either of them.

They're currently looking like absolute players. I think that we're going to need a ton of picks to get them both. So... stockpile 2023 picks... then translate those 2023 picks into 2024 picks.

 

[Gethelred]

Article from The Age re: TCP's post around the new salary dump rule

Clubs allowed to ‘salary dump’ in a major change to AFL trade rules

A major policy change, allowing clubs to more easily dump the salaries of big-money players, could ignite next month’s AFL trade period.

www.theage.com.au

Gee, wouldn't that have been nice when we just started a rebuild, and had to take on multiple players to meet TPP floor.

 

[Gethelred]

Salary dump discussion is interesting and perhaps it allows us to move Fogarty and Dow on to free up list spaces and a little salary cap room. Fog, Dow and a future 2nd to North for a 3rd or something silly like that.

That'd be a bit silly, personally. Dow and Fog would barely be on anything, and you're losing a future second for a pick in the third round. By no measure - list space, player quality or salary cap - are you getting ahead with that trade.

 

[Ash24]

Well we are.

Is this something you've heard or was it just a repost from that rumour on Twitter yesterday?

 

[Dramoth]

The AFL is run by cowboys. I love the idea of salary dumping and think it works well in the NBA, but bringing it in just before the trade period? Seriously, at least give clubs some time to prepare and stop doing these rules changes/ adjustments on the fly.

Gill the dill trying to pad out his final bonus cheque from the AFL I reckon.

 

[Red_man2008]

Is this something you've heard or was it just a repost from that rumour on Twitter yesterday?

Read it and heard from a few places. Figured Twitter yesterday was confirming it. Or they heard it from the same channels.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

That'd be a bit silly, personally. Dow and Fog would barely be on anything, and you're losing a future second for a pick in the third round. By no measure - list space, player quality or salary cap - are you getting ahead with that trade.

It all depends on what we are able to do with the additional cap space, Lets say Dow is on $350 and Fog on $400.. We replace one of them with a rookie on $80k and then still have $670k to target a free agent without impacting our salary cap.. Or perhaps doing this allows us to sign Harry McKay to a long term deal. Either way we are better off than retaining Dow and Fog for another year to play VFL.

 

[Dramoth]

That'd be a bit silly, personally. Dow and Fog would barely be on anything, and you're losing a future second for a pick in the third round. By no measure - list space, player quality or salary cap - are you getting ahead with that trade.

We would definitely be losers in that deal. I could see us doing it with Fog... but a future third for a pick this year in the third.

 

[Gethelred]

It all depends on what we are able to do with the additional cap space, Lets say Dow is on $350 and Fog on $400.. We replace one of them with a rookie on $80k and then still have $670k to target a free agent without impacting our salary cap.. Or perhaps doing this allows us to sign Harry McKay to a long term deal. Either way we are better off than retaining Dow and Fog for another year to play VFL.

Yes, but there's genuinely no chance Dow is on 350 or Fog on 400. Both would be receiving below average AFL player wages.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Yes, but there's genuinely no chance Dow is on 350 or Fog on 400. Both would be receiving below average AFL player wages.

Disagree, Dow was signed off the back of being a pick 2 and potential and Fog was brought across from Geelong and we were not the only suitor at the time so the offer must have been decent.. Average AFL wage is $371k.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

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has the ability to recapture 2019 type form he'd be a handy addition you'd think.

Wonder who else is a viable Salary Dump to take on, they'd need to be:

• On the lower end of the salary spectrum
• Best XXII or KPP Depth

Sexton ticks both of these boxes. I'd expect him to kick in the range of 20-40 goals as a mid-sizer. He's a Josh Honey size player but has proven value as a goalkicker, puts pressure on Martin and Honey and would help us make list decisions next year (Sexton OOC 2023, Honey OOC 2023 and Martin 2024)

Do wonder what the initial player sentiment is. The players we know (if media is to believe) to have taken less at Carlton as opposed to rival offers would be:

• Charlie
• Walsh
• Cripps

And, I'd expect you could soon add:

• McKay
• TDK

Pretty important group there, the sort of group you don't want to get offside with all that they give to the club.

Suddenly more interested in the Trade Period in general this year. Love this rule change.

 

[katmanblue]

I’m getting old. Way too many moving parts to the trade and draft process. OK theatre, and I don’t mind complex logistics, but I’m a “just a bottle of milk” kind of guy.

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[Elmer_Hauser]

I am happy for once we are having a stable (aka low key) off season/trade period for a change. And laughing at the rabble that is Essendon.

 

[Gethelred]

Disagree, Dow was signed off the back of being a pick 2 and potential and Fog was brought across from Geelong and we were not the only suitor at the time so the offer must have been decent.. Average AFL wage is $371k.

Dow was re-signed this year, amidst a climate of 'take unders to prove you want to be here'. Fog was taken after he couldn't get a game.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[La Dispute]

We took the salary dumps to get the players we wanted. Some of them worked out for us... some of them didn't.

I know Plowman was one. We’ve got 100 games out of him, so that’s been a OK deal - who were the others?

Smedts as part of the Touhy trade?

 

[CeeDee88]

Exploring some salary dump options (us taking on salary for picks), doubtful it will happen as players have taken unders to bring in established players and don't want to ruin that good will but talking with those players to hear their thoughts.

Im assuming this is the same thing as the Will Brodie situation last year?

I mean this looks like Tom Mitchell potentially if im being honest

 

[jooce8891]

I know Plowman was one. We’ve got 100 games out of him, so that’s been a OK deal - who were the others?

Smedts as part of the Touhy trade?

palmer

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Dow was re-signed this year, amidst a climate of 'take unders to prove you want to be here'. Fog was taken after he couldn't get a game.

We can agree to disagree.

I am glad Dow has decided to take his lumps and not request a trade and fight to regain a regular senior spot next year here.

Many, if not most other players in a same situation probably would have asked for a trade, not his biggest fan, but I am honestly heartened by the fact he wants to be here and seems determined to hopefully do a LOB and do hard yakka over summer and hopefully prove he does belong at AFL level.

We all know he has the talent.

A re-energized and tougher Dow coming into 2023 would practically be a boon recruit/bonus for us.

I am both intrigued and excited by the possibility

 

[Juddernaut08]

Exploring some salary dump options (us taking on salary for picks), doubtful it will happen as players have taken unders to bring in established players and don't want to ruin that good will but talking with those players to hear their thoughts.

lolol

 

[ctwenty1]

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and thats just milk from a cow...

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I am glad Dow has decided to take his lumps and not request a trade and fight to regain a regular senior spot next year here.

Many, if not most other players in a same situation probably would have asked for a trade, not his biggest fan, but I am honestly heartened by the fact he wants to be here and seems determined to hopefully do a LOB and do hard yakka over summer and hopefully prove he does belong at AFL level.

We all know he has the talent.

A re-energized and tougher Dow coming into 2023 would practically be a boon recruit/bonus for us.

I am both intrigued and excited by the possibility

To do this, you actually need a suitor.. Who is coming to Dow with an offer better than what he is currently getting at Carlton. Actually the worst thing for Dow was being selected round 21, it showed the rest of the league what Voss already knew and that is that Paddy is not up to it at the level.. Prior to that it was just that he was unlucky not to be selected.. But it exposed him and would have scared off any potential suitor.

 

[Coona Blues]

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It was a topical figure of speech. No desire to perpetuate the line. (I may just be lactose intolerant)


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