Bluemour 'Silly Season' Edition XXXIV

[Kramer1]

Article today linking us to Jack Graham … I think we offered him a contract a few years ago and he almost came?




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Must have been a good offer.

 

[bmaurizio]

Robertson is not a bad footballer. Unfortunately he's got no pace and isn't that good a kick. So he's automatically behind Cripps and Kennedy and looking to play the same role. Personally I'd rate him as about the same as late season Setterfield.

For all those playing at home who would suggest that we should look to use draft capital and salary cap on prospective recruits our current depth chart is:

Inside Mids - Cripps (Start), Kennedy (Start) Setterfield,

Defensive Ball Winners - Hewitt (Start) Docherty (Back Up) Ed Curnow

Outside Running Mids - Walsh (Start), Cerra (Start), Dow, Cuningham

Up and Coming - Carroll, Philp, Kemp

There could be some changes with Setterfield and Dow .

For mine we are pretty well set for midfielders. Maybe pick 10 might be a game changer hybrid midfielder/half forward but apart from the bargain of a life time I couldn't see us investing in a midfielder.

Our up and coming don’t really inspire , cant remember what Sam Philp looks like and Kemp has a long journey ahead, Carroll may make it yet. Wish them all the best in Navy Blue.
I hope we at least attempt to move on Dow & Setterfield. Go Blues

 

[bmaurizio]

Surely the AFL would give us dispensation. We have more 1st round picks than any other team and we have one of the younger list profiles.

The rule was brought in to help teams avoid falling in a heap after continually trading out 1st rounders

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selection number is not the denominator, it’s ability and raw talent that’s the true barometer.

 

[El Topo]

We could have done with Norf's priority handout when haggling for Setterfied and McGov

 

[The Bighouse]

I don’t disagree with you on this, my disagreement is with that we took these guys to get a discount on others, add to that Lobbe, Palmer, Smedts.

I don’t see any of those trades as getting us anything other than actual players that came.

All previous 1st rounders, think was the glimmer ball for a lot of these. Sumner, Lamb, Plowman, Marchbank, Pickett.
Just some poor selections at the pointy end when SOS was involved.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

i prefer POTY to not have 70s sitcom racism

The "Hally" part?

 

[Bennyboy7777]

Robertson is not a bad footballer. Unfortunately he's got no pace and isn't that good a kick. So he's automatically behind Cripps and Kennedy and looking to play the same role. Personally I'd rate him as about the same as late season Setterfield.

For all those playing at home who would suggest that we should look to use draft capital and salary cap on prospective recruits our current depth chart is:

Inside Mids - Cripps (Start), Kennedy (Start) Setterfield,

Defensive Ball Winners - Hewitt (Start) Docherty (Back Up) Ed Curnow

Outside Running Mids - Walsh (Start), Cerra (Start), Dow, Cuningham

Up and Coming - Carroll, Philp, Kemp

There could be some changes with Setterfield and Dow .

For mine we are pretty well set for midfielders. Maybe pick 10 might be a game changer hybrid midfielder/half forward but apart from the bargain of a life time I couldn't see us investing in a midfielder.

Hewitt was not played as a defensive mid. Was one of the leading clearance players in the AFL (7th on ave clearances per game) before he was injured. Inside mid. Furthermore, how are you defining defensive mid? Are they a tagger - we didn’t really tag. Are they performing a lot of tackles? Cripps, Kennedy, Setterfield, Hewitt, Cerra and Curnow are all strong tacklers who rack up them up.

 

[djw1952]

Hewitt was not played as a defensive mid. Was one of the leading clearance players in the AFL (7th on ave clearances per game) before he was injured. Inside mid. Furthermore, how are you defining defensive mid? Are they a tagger - we didn’t really tag. Are they performing a lot of tackles? Cripps, Kennedy, Setterfield, Hewitt, Cerra and Curnow are all strong tacklers who rack up them up.

Hewett is more of a defensive tagging type player like he was at the Swans, but also gets plenty of the ball and negates his opposition because he works his butt off, so call him whatever as long as he is out on the ground and not in sick bay.....

 

[macky99]

Our up and coming don’t really inspire , cant remember what Sam Philp looks like and Kemp has a long journey ahead, Carroll may make it yet. Wish them all the best in Navy Blue.
I hope we at least attempt to move on Dow & Setterfield. Go Blues

Carroll has great upside & and will be a quality player.
Kemp showed enough this year to suggest he is a definite long term player.

A bit of positivity would not go astray .

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Facilities aye..
Good one..
More like the injecting room

 

[BigFrizz36]

I hope we at least attempt to move on Dow & Setterfield. Go Blues

Hewitt was not played as a defensive mid. Was one of the leading clearance players in the AFL (7th on ave clearances per game) before he was injured. Inside mid. Furthermore, how are you defining defensive mid? Are they a tagger - we didn’t really tag. Are they performing a lot of tackles? Cripps, Kennedy, Setterfield, Hewitt, Cerra and Curnow are all strong tacklers who rack up them up.

Defensive mid is the one who starts behind the bounce to cover the opposition in case of a centre bounce loss. Their job is to cover the opposition firstly and then break off to take handball if we win it.

The point of the rankings wasn't to split hairs but rather to show that we have most parts well covered and as a result we have no great need to trade in an existing mid unless we get the deal of a lifetime. However it would be an ideal time to draft a hybrid mid/forward who might start making a difference in the next couple of years. Not easy to find at 10 but that's what I'd be looking for.

 

[blue healer]

Carroll has great upside & and will be a quality player.
Kemp showed enough this year to suggest he is a definite long term player.

A bit of positivity would not go astray .

I'm all for positivity and optimism but we have said the same things as that about Stocker and Williamson over the last few years.

Every player we sign has upside until they don't. Personally I prefer to wait before I make those kind of calls.

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

Jed Anderson

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is out of contract atm and with everything going at the Kangas would we look at him?

 

[Foucault1989]

Jed Anderson is out of contract atm and with everything going at the Kangas would we look at him?

Not really a need. We have enough big bodied, slow mids. We have a need for speed!

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

Not really a need. We have enough big bodied, slow mids. We have a need for speed!

Yeah that’s fair, just thought I’d raise his name

 

[Doro]

AFL site saying Jack Bowes

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Jack Bowes

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and the GC first round pick (7) available for a salary dump. Wouldn't be the worst trade for our first next year. Doubt that gets it done though.

 

[macky99]

Fair enough that is yo

I'm all for positivity and optimism but we have said the same things as that about Stocker and Williamson over the last few years.

Every player we sign has upside until they don't. Personally I prefer to wait before I make those kind of ca

I'm all for positivity and optimism but we have said the same things as that about Stocker and Williamson over the last few years.

Every player we sign has upside until they don't. Personally I prefer to wait before I make those kind of calls.

Fine if you wish to take that approach but with the club in good shape now both on & off the field, we have the right environment for these young players to progress in the right direction.

Carroll will be a best 22 player, Kemp l would expect to also.

 

[Poorman53]

AFL site saying Jack Bowes and the GC first round pick (7) available for a salary dump. Wouldn't be the worst trade for our first next year. Doubt that gets it done though.

You have to take the heavy salary which has been back ended. We arent in that position. Our salary is being used to maximise output not draft position.

The club isn't going down that path.

 

[DangerousD]

Robertson is not a bad footballer. Unfortunately he's got no pace and isn't that good a kick. So he's automatically behind Cripps and Kennedy and looking to play the same role. Personally I'd rate him as about the same as late season Setterfield.

For all those playing at home who would suggest that we should look to use draft capital and salary cap on prospective recruits our current depth chart is:

Inside Mids - Cripps (Start), Kennedy (Start) Setterfield,

Defensive Ball Winners - Hewitt (Start) Docherty (Back Up) Ed Curnow

Outside Running Mids - Walsh (Start), Cerra (Start), Dow, Cuningham

Up and Coming - Carroll, Philp, Kemp

There could be some changes with Setterfield and Dow .

For mine we are pretty well set for midfielders. Maybe pick 10 might be a game changer hybrid midfielder/half forward but apart from the bargain of a life time I couldn't see us investing in a midfielder.

What position does Bowes play? Where can he play? Gong off stats he gets more than half his possessions uncontested, would he be a wing option?

I remember him having big wraps so I assume his contract is decent, his trade value might not be too high.

 

[SHOWEY]

Jayden Hunt

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Jayden Hunt

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29

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82kg

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78.7

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5.3

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3.3

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2.0

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1.7

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2.3

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78.7

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5.3

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3.3

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2.0

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1.7

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2.3

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78.7

2star

anyone? Him and Acres blistering up and down our wings?

*Free agent so only going to cost the $$

 

[DangerousD]

AFL site saying Jack Bowes and the GC first round pick (7) available for a salary dump. Wouldn't be the worst trade for our first next year. Doubt that gets it done though.

I still dont have my head around this salary dump stuff, how big is Bowes contract that GC are willing to give him up and pick 7, just to get his $$$ off the books?

Even if we didn’t have much wriggle room cap wise, a deal like that would make you consider trading Dow, Setterfield, de-listing Curnow and doing the deal.

It sounds like an offer too good to be true.

 

[DangerousD]

You have to take the heavy salary which has been back ended. We arent in that position. Our salary is being used to maximise output not draft position.

The club isn't going down that path, take that to the bank.

You have to take the heavy salary and you get a good player and pick 7. How big is this salary?

It sounds too good to be true, what’s missing?

If Bowes and pick 7 is on the table, surely you could trade others out or delist and make space.

 

[Manhattanite]

You have to take the heavy salary and you get a good player and pick 7. How big is this salary?

It sounds too good to be true, what’s missing?

If Bowes and pick 7 is on the table, surely you could trade others out or delist and make space.

I don’t think he would be best 22 for us

His salary was probably 4 years @ $500K maybe a bit more but being back ended would suggest the next two years could be as high as $800K but more likely in the $700K range which is a lot especially after asking our big names to take price cuts to their market value




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[teagueyubeauty]

I still dont have my head around this salary dump stuff, how big is Bowes contract that GC are willing to give him up and pick 7, just to get his $$$ off the books?

Even if we didn’t have much wriggle room cap wise, a deal like that would make you consider trading Dow, Setterfield, de-listing Curnow and doing the deal.

It sounds like an offer too good to be true.

Bowes is a Queenslander, it’s outrageous he’d be on that big a coin to make him a salary dump. If I was the AFL I’d be very uncomfortable about the Suns doing this to a “local” player.

What this highlights, and I’ll say it again and again until I’m blue in the face, is that the minimum salary cap floor needs to be abolished. It’s absolutely outrageous that a team as shit as ours and the suns and now North Melbourne was/is have to pay an “Average” of only 5% less than a team of stars. It just breeds greed and does nothing to help a team at the zenith of being absolutely tripe.

Allow clubs to pay whatever they have to pay a very young list for say 2-3 years allowing them to “bank” that money for a 2-3 year period. Clubs will go to the draft and build a base of talent then target free agents/ooc stars to front load the fk out of contracts and then be on a level playing field after that.

I see teams being down for 2-3 years max, allow them to “buy in” stars with the extra cap space and then not be in salary cap difficulties so quick and be able to pay your drafted players well to keep them. It will sustain a longer period of time to get it right


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[ABigOlDoofus]

I still dont have my head around this salary dump stuff, how big is Bowes contract that GC are willing to give him up and pick 7, just to get his $$$ off the books?

Even if we didn’t have much wriggle room cap wise, a deal like that would make you consider trading Dow, Setterfield, de-listing Curnow and doing the deal.

It sounds like an offer too good to be true.

I dare say his deal would be HEAVILY backloaded, they went to the draft big time that year so they had to sign all of their young guys at the same time, and probably on overs to convince them to stay.