Bluemour 'Silly Season' Edition XXXIV

[Magruder]

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

By slotting them in and tinkering with their gameplan, they move away from what made them successful in the first place to become another side that just wants to win the ball. Even with Hopper and Taranto, they're not going to be able to beat Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane around the ball.

Their gameplan is what made them successful in the way it centred resting their quality early to unleash them late, whilst exhausting those sides who wanted to win the ball. Change that gameplan, and they're simply a team with good players playing a conventional game with a conventional structure, and are not the powerhouse they were.

I reckon it allows them to add a contested layer rather than forcing them to change too much.

 

[Stamos]

Any posters able to confirm or deny some rumours going round that Jack Carroll may be part of the Acres trade? Personally I call BS but thought I should ask.

Sounds like Freo fantasy.
No ****ing way we'd do that.

 

[Gethelred]

Maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't think Richmond were a "concede every stoppage and slingshot" kind of side when they were winning flags. That's been a more recent evolution. They were a hard-running, hard-tackling unit who constantly forced the ball forward and to ground where their smalls could get to work.

Adding Hopper and Taranto only changes their style dramatically if you assume they're replacing something other than a midfielder.

Cotchin is on the decline and has a 1yr deal, Prestia is succumbing to constant soft tissue injuries, Martin is on the decline and probably more a third or fourth forward option now.

Taranto replaces Cotchin, Hopper replaces Prestia, Bolton has stepped up to cover Dusty - think they know what they're doing.

That was the thing: they conceded every stoppage until late in the third term.

Their game was built from tackling pressure causing intercepts and quick switches, but more interestingly what they did when neither side had the ball was just as important. They'd take you to ground as often as they could without tackling. They'd scrag, they'd wait until the umps weren't looking; if you got the ball, they were perfectly happy not to win the HTB free and have the ball spilling loose provided they got you to ground because that caused cascading outnumbers. Players were frequently seen on their haunches in games because there were no stoppages or chip/mark kicks available unless your onfield leadership was very good; opposition would get sucked in to playing fast, panicking.

But then they'd flick the switch. Dusty, Cotchin, Edwards, Lambert, Caddy; these blokes would suddenly go from half pace and picking and choosing to going hell for leather, and they'd be stronger and faster than you because you're ****ed from every other time their blokes have slammed you into the deck. Dusty's got KPP strength anyway; how're you going to tackle him when he's fresh and you're not?

I think this further demonstrates something I've thought for a while: they didn't know what they had when they had it, and they've dropped it without a second thought.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Sounds like Freo fantasy.
No ******* way we'd do that.

Seems unlikely, but he's a WA lad and outside the best 22, so who knows. If he requested a trade it might be beneficial. I'd push a straight swap, which given Carroll was taken at Pick 41 would maybe be slightly in our favour.

Carroll for Acres, keep pick 28, draft a better/more suitable player than Carroll?

It's not unreasonable. Though if Jack wants to stay, then he's contracted for two more years and that's the end of the discussion.

 

[Stamos]

Seems unlikely, but he's a WA lad and outside the best 22, so who knows. If he requested a trade it might be beneficial. I'd push a straight swap, which given Carroll was taken at Pick 41 would maybe be slightly in our favour.

Carroll for Acres, keep pick 28, draft a better/more suitable player than Carroll?

It's not unreasonable. Though if Jack wants to stay, then he's contracted for two more years and that's the end of the discussion.

He signed a 2 year extension at the end of March. The club has huge raps on him.
Best mates with Durds and Motlop.

We're not swapping him for a player who has been massively low-balled by his club.

 

[Forty3]

Any posters able to confirm or deny some rumours going round that Jack Carroll may be part of the Acres trade? Personally I call BS but thought I should ask.

Austin would officially adopt this kid as a son if he could, so I would say those rumours are completely and utterly false.

 

[Ash24]

Austin would officially adopt this kid as a son if he could, so I would say those rumours are completely and utterly false.

Thanks, taken off the main board so not surprised its fake.

Still only 19 and his final against Brisbane was very impressive, excited to see him in the navy blue for many more years to come.

 

[Sector 7G]

Seems unlikely, but he's a WA lad and outside the best 22, so who knows. If he requested a trade it might be beneficial. I'd push a straight swap, which given Carroll was taken at Pick 41 would maybe be slightly in our favour.

Carroll for Acres, keep pick 28, draft a better/more suitable player than Carroll?

It's not unreasonable. Though if Jack wants to stay, then he's contracted for two more years and that's the end of the discussion.

Please, we are not giving up a 2nd rounder for a 27year old that Freo think is worth $250k for 2 years

 

[thedan29]

Please, we are not giving up a 2nd rounder for a 27year old that Freo think is worth $250k for 2 years

Not to mention he is also uncontracted.

 

[Stamos]

Thanks, taken off the main board so not surprised its fake.

Freo supporters' wet dream

 

[Blue__Balls]

He signed a 2 year extension at the end of March. The club has huge raps on him.
Best mates with Durds and Motlop.

We're not swapping him for a player who has been massively low-balled by his club.

Please, we are not giving up a 2nd rounder for a 27year old that Freo think is worth $250k for 2 years

Simmer down, lads, I'm not advocating for offloading him

Well aware he's contracted, like him as a prospect, just flagging that if he wanted out, and if we were to entertain letting him go, then a swap for Acres isn't necessarily far off the mark. He's a third round pick who hasn't done anything yet.

 

[Stamos]

He's a third round pick who hasn't done anything yet.

2nd round pick

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Seems unlikely, but he's a WA lad and outside the best 22, so who knows. If he requested a trade it might be beneficial. I'd push a straight swap, which given Carroll was taken at Pick 41 would maybe be slightly in our favour.

Carroll for Acres, keep pick 28, draft a better/more suitable player than Carroll?

It's not unreasonable. Though if Jack wants to stay, then he's contracted for two more years and that's the end of the discussion.

Nope

We are unlikely to find a young kid in the draft with as much talent and upside as Carroll

Man these rumours are the worst part of the footy season. Not having a go at you personally but in my opinion Carroll is an untouchable asset unless we get some ridiculous overs too good to turn down

 

[La Dispute]

Don't think so.

They won flags off the back of ceding the clearance to set up around the periphery of the stoppage, hoping to pressure that clearance and go from turnover. With Taranto and Hopper, their clearance setup will change drastically away from this; why would you trade away substantial draft capital and a significant whack of salary for two mids with inside capability if you're not going to use them to play inside?

The only reason they could sustain their manic tackling pressure was that the pressure was the point; they launched everything from intercept and turnover. To actually possess the ball and win the clearance, your positioning is different and should you not get it you need to go even harder to compensate for that position change; they exhausted you, slammed you to the ground over and over, got you feeling the referred pressure, then unleashed a fresh Dusty, Cotchin, Edwards on you late in games. You can't play that way if you're setting up to win the clearance, you'll run out of legs.

They'll potentially make finals, but contention will be beyond them.

They made finals this year with a weaker side and a half baked Dusty.

Add two guns into that midfield, get Dusty back to 80/90% and they're automatically back contending - the top end of the ladder is fairly weak at the moment.

They also wont be playing the same gamestyle that led to previous. They've already changed the way they are playing and are balancing the load fairly well.

 

[Gethelred]

They made finals this year with a weaker side and a half baked Dusty.

Add two guns into that midfield, get Dusty back to 80/90% and they're automatically back contending - the top end of the ladder is fairly weak at the moment.

They also wont be playing the same gamestyle that led to previous. They've already changed the way they are playing and are balancing the load fairly well.

I don't agree, but I've derailed this thread with Richmond stuff enough.

 

[Blue__Balls]

2nd round pick

Sorry, second last pick of the second round, Pick 41.

Point still stands, his currency is not high.

Again though - not advocating to trade him unless he wanted to go, which by all reports he doesn't. That's the only scenario in which I could see Carlton even contemplating it.

 

[Aphrodite]

I don't agree, but I've derailed this thread with Richmond stuff enough.

Off to the Ferals Board you go

 

[Blue__Balls]

Nope

We are unlikely to find a young kid in the draft with as much talent and upside as Carroll

Man these rumours are the worst part of the footy season. Not having a go at you personally but in my opinion Carroll is an untouchable asset unless we get some ridiculous overs too good to turn down

Yeah, but you'd have Julie in the cafe as an untouchable asset if she made a half-decent coffee one time

 

[Aphrodite]

Austin would officially adopt this kid as a son if he could, so I would say those rumours are completely and utterly false.

#BigFootyTrades

 

[bettyblue]

Day for Dow straight swap with Hawthorn ..play him on the wing !!

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[Elmer_Hauser]

Day for Dow straight swap with Hawthorn ..play him on the wing !!

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I honestly doubt Hawthorn would do that.

 

[DangerousD]

The stats mean even less when u consider the sides they play in at that time- Cerra numbers would be heavily effected by “Super Fyfe” (when he was absolutely killing it) Mundy, Brayshaw etc. GWS midfield was good but not that good

Cerras numbers affected by Fyfe but GWS midfield not that good, Taranto won the B&F in 2019, the year GWS made the grand final.

 

[ferrisb]

This makes way too much sense ferrisb

Stick to making jokes

Not sure if I was a nerd before or after I developed my class clown persona.

But both habits formed early and equally refuse to die...

 

[zeggie]

Your first statement doesn’t even make sense, the delisted signing period is after the trade period not before.

There is no way you can possibly know we wouldn’t have gotten something for Stocker and he has no value.

We could of got a pick up grade or a third round pick, but we now know we are getting nothing for him for a poor list management decision.

Stocker is uncontracted. Anyone shows interest during the trade period, they simply tell him they'll pick him up in the PSD. Why the hell would they need to trade for him?

 

[CFC_#17]

Stocker is uncontracted. Anyone shows interest during the trade period, they simply tell him they'll pick him up in the PSD. Why the hell would they need to trade for him?

Why don’t all the other players that are out of contract do the same like Rankin, Taranto and Griffin Logue?