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andleanback said:
Projected what? You said it yourself he’s been removed recently from match committee..
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Projecting Dodoro's reaction to being removed from match committee. None of us know what he's done since then. In fact the best we know is he said he'd rather not be the subject of all the news.
Soft cap bypass? I don’t think that’s what they were talking about at all, rather why does Harvey need an off is near the coaches if he is just running a powerful coterie, and it would be one that expects inside track on information coming from within the footy department.
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Yeah it wasn't what they were talking about. Lloyd said it and they skipped over him with "rabble rabble rabble". I can't believe Essendon are still shit, oh that is just so Essendon, that's why they're still shit.

What was the detail to what Lloyd was saying? Who cares rabble rabble. Click, view. Bloody sheedy, Dodoro. Ad.

Lloyd was saying some kind of soft cap workaround is why Harvey, as a member of a coterie group, is giving advice to match committee. So is he on the committee unofficially? Is he being paid?
 
yodellinhank said:
I didn't think so. They said he has been removed from match committee only recently and he shouldn't be on match committee because no other club does?

So we are just projecting, again.

I thought what was more scandalous/revealing was Lloyd's comments about Harves and some sort of soft-cap bypass. Which was totally let theough to the keeper. Is he being paid?
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andleanback said:
Projected what? You said it yourself he’s been removed recently from match committee..

Soft cap bypass? I don’t think that’s what they were talking about at all, rather why does Harvey need an off is near the coaches if he is just running a powerful coterie, and it would be one that expects inside track on information coming from within the footy department.
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Last we heard Harvey moved out of coaching into a part-time pro-scouting & part-time coterie engagement role. So not running the coterie but doing the club-side of the engagement with the coterie groups. His pro-scouting role should be paid out of the soft-cap as a list & recruiting position in the football department, while the other part is probably under marketing or something.

And one would assume it's the pro-scouting role that gives him insight into the players that could theoretically be relevant to match committee at the same level as Dodoro's knowledge of the draftees, but it also provides for the possibility of coterie members learning information out of match committee that they shouldn't be privy to.

You'd think if the coaches haven't seen the player in a particular role in their entire time at the club, over every pre-season and every week at training, then the player isn't ready to be selected in that role at AFL level no matter what they did years ago as a junior or at another club.
 

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Lore said:
Last we heard Harvey moved out of coaching into a part-time pro-scouting & part-time coterie engagement role. So not running the coterie but doing the club-side of the engagement with the coterie groups. His pro-scouting role should be paid out of the soft-cap as a list & recruiting position in the football department, while the other part is probably under marketing or something.

And one would assume it's the pro-scouting role that gives him insight into the players that could theoretically be relevant to match committee at the same level as Dodoro's knowledge of the draftees, but it also provides for the possibility of coterie members learning information out of match committee that they shouldn't be privy to.

You'd think if the coaches haven't seen the player in a particular role in their entire time at the club, over every pre-season and every week at training, then the player isn't ready to be selected in that role at AFL level no matter what they did years ago as a junior or at another club.
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Ah I didn’t know Harvey also had a pro-scouting role at the club. If that’s the case it makes more sense for him to be in some match committee, if they want a particular insight into how an opposition player has been tracking/ role they’ve been playing because a pro-scout would know better than anyone. At the same time he could easily just give that information to our opposition analyst, so no need for him to be In match committee. The part that’s wrong is also the conflict of interest given he’s involved with high level coterie members, who would likely want inside information.
 
andleanback said:
Ah I didn’t know Harvey also had a pro-scouting role at the club. If that’s the case it makes more sense for him to be in some match committee, if they want a particular insight into how an opposition player has been tracking/ role they’ve been playing because a pro-scout would know better than anyone. The part that’s wrong is also the conflict of interest given he’s involved with high level coterie members, who would likely want inside information.
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Yeah. Although that's assuming he's still in the pro-scouting role. He certainly was in that role when he first stepped out of line coaching for the defenders, but the way these journos are talking about it maybe he isn't doing that role anymore.

And yep definitely a conflict of interest, and a dangerous one if coteries are throwing their weight around trying to influence the club's leadership in ways that they are not qualified to do, don't have enough information to make an informed decision about in any case, and often advocating for emotional knee-jerk decisions rather than rational ones, see also: nepotism, favouritism, so on and so forth.
 
Lore said:
Last we heard Harvey moved out of coaching into a part-time pro-scouting & part-time coterie engagement role. So not running the coterie but doing the club-side of the engagement with the coterie groups. His pro-scouting role should be paid out of the soft-cap as a list & recruiting position in the football department, while the other part is probably under marketing or something.

And one would assume it's the pro-scouting role that gives him insight into the players that could theoretically be relevant to match committee at the same level as Dodoro's knowledge of the draftees, but it also provides for the possibility of coterie members learning information out of match committee that they shouldn't be privy to.

You'd think if the coaches haven't seen the player in a particular role in their entire time at the club, over every pre-season and every week at training, then the player isn't ready to be selected in that role at AFL level no matter what they did years ago as a junior or at another club.
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So was Lloyd suggesting the coterie bit is bull dust to give Harves money outside the cap? It wasn't expanded upon. Though if it was it might have shed some light on how things are operating, who the boys club are and why they need to go. Or not.

There's more detail in your post on how the club actually operates than the trash served up on FC the other night, unsurprisingly.
 
Oh also the other day I was talking about Mahoney's involvement in the AFLW, well it turns out we do have a Head of AFLW. Her name is Alysha Ward and she's quoted in this article: AFLW: 2023 list changes

So while Mahoney is lending more support to the women's recruiting team during the trade/sign period, they did apparently appoint a replacement for Charlotte Miller in the AFLW program too 😝
 
Lore said:
Yeah. Although that's assuming he's still in the pro-scouting role. He certainly was in that role when he first stepped out of line coaching for the defenders, but the way these journos are talking about it maybe he isn't doing that role anymore.
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Or maybe he's doing that role but the club is saying he's in a promotion/client liaison role to avoid paying soft cap penalties and the coterie thing is all bull dust
And yep definitely a conflict of interest, and a dangerous one if coteries are throwing their weight around trying to influence the club's leadership in ways that they are not qualified to do, don't have enough information to make an informed decision about in any case, and often advocating for emotional knee-jerk decisions rather than rational ones, see also: nepotism, favouritism, so on and so forth.
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Assuming he gives them anything or takes any notice of what they say, he might just be there as Harves having a beer and they are happy to give the club a heap of money and tell their mates they had a beer with harves. While someone else at the club has been whispering in Caro's ear that something is rotten in the state of denmark.
 
yodellinhank said:
So was Lloyd suggesting the coterie bit is bull dust to give Harves money outside the cap? It wasn't expanded upon. Though if it was it might have shed some light on how things are operating, who the boys club are and why they need to go. Or not.

There's more detail in your post on how the club actually operates than the trash served up on FC the other night, unsurprisingly.
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I don't think there's anything wrong going on with the soft cap, I think they were just working with limited information. Although having someone half-in and half-out of the footy department is problematic in itself. I always kinda assumed his coterie gig was like organising player/coach appearances at coterie events, and being a contact person for them when they want to make enquiries, donations, host events etc. All that sort of stuff. Similar to the people we have contact with to organise player sponsorship for the forum

I can see some logic in Dodoro and Harvey being asked their opinion and I can also see some logic in them no longer being invited to match committee.

The more interesting part to me was the comment about match committee happening in Dodoro's room/office (I forget the exact word they used). I wonder if they mean something called the War Room which is afaik a small meeting room that they use for signing players etc (we've seen pics in there when Mozzie signed, I think? Had random info on the whiteboard behind him, scandal!) Dodoro would often be using that room for recruiting team meetings, but I don't think it's actually his room/office? Or maybe it is/was his room, or one of those situations where his name isn't on the door but all his stuff is in there with his work all over the whiteboard? idk. I think that specific room is supposed to be sound proof or something too. 🤔

That and the question of "who told them not to come to match committee?" Because whoever that is is the person holding the gun/i.e. the person who has the most authority/influence on what is going on internally at the moment. My money would be on either Scott or Vozzo, it clearly isn't Mahoney.
 
Barham talks about a new leaf, Mahaoney completed a club sanctioned report that criticises Dodoro. Sheeds goes against whole board to tell everyone he voted for Hird, which in itself is proof he’s not thinking straight or for the betterment of the club.

Some argue we’re still being held am down because of the saga but it’s the ties to our last successful era that is holding us back ie Sheeds, Dodoro and Harvs. I don’t think the current players will give a too much thought if Dodoro leaves. You would think Dodoro would read the leaves and piss off on his own accord.
 
yodellinhank said:
Or maybe he's doing that role but the club is saying he's in a promotion/client liaison role to avoid paying soft cap penalties and the coterie thing is all bull dust

Assuming he gives them anything or takes any notice of what they say, he might just be there as Harves having a beer and they are happy to give the club a heap of money and tell their mates they had a beer with harves. While someone else at the club has been whispering in Caro's ear that something is rotten in the state of denmark.
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In the past we've had inner sanctum zoom meetings as part of the player sponsorship or something, which I've attended on behalf of the player sponsors and then posted cliff notes in the player sponsorship group PM. The ones I remember attending were Mick Hurley, Mark Harvey, and Ben Rutten (right after he took over as coach).

They usually talk for a while about what's going on and answer some more general questions, and then they take questions from the floor which are usually answered pretty honestly and in more detail than you'd probably expect.

The coterie groups have the same sort of zoom meetings, in fact some of those zoom calls included both coterie members and player sponsors.

The members-only content on the club website basically treats us like mushrooms by comparison.

edit: I think the coteries normally get some of this stuff, player sponsors don't -- but it was sort of an 'in lieu' thing during the covid hubs year because we weren't getting the other benefits we were entitled to, like the cocktail evening event. Or possibly the coteries just have more events with coaches/players/etc attending and doing a Q&A sort of thing so it was also a replacement for them. Not 100% sure but there are definitely higher levels of access given to people throwing in thousands of dollars than a pleb spending his Christmas money on a flex membership
 
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TheGreatBarryB said:
Barham talks about a new leaf, Mahaoney completed a club sanctioned report that criticises Dodoro. Sheeds goes against whole board to tell everyone he voted for Hird, which in itself is proof he’s not thinking straight or for the betterment of the club.

Some argue we’re still being held am down because of the saga but it’s the ties to our last successful era that is holding us back ie Sheeds, Dodoro and Harvs. I don’t think the current players will give a too much thought if Dodoro leaves. You would think Dodoro would read the leaves and piss off on his own accord.
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100% but it looks like his ego wont allow for that, going to have to be kicked out of the joint.
 
rumply said:
100% but it looks like his ego wont allow for that, going to have to be kicked out of the joint.
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It's a great gravy train to be on.
 

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Lore said:
I don't think there's anything wrong going on with the soft cap, I think they were just working with limited information. Although having someone half-in and half-out of the footy department is problematic in itself. I always kinda assumed his coterie gig was like organising player/coach appearances at coterie events, and being a contact person for them when they want to make enquiries, donations, host events etc. All that sort of stuff. Similar to the people we have contact with to organise player sponsorship for the forum

I can see some logic in Dodoro and Harvey being asked their opinion and I can also see some logic in them no longer being invited to match committee.

The more interesting part to me was the comment about match committee happening in Dodoro's room/office (I forget the exact word they used). I wonder if they mean something called the War Room which is afaik a small meeting room that they use for signing players etc (we've seen pics in there when Mozzie signed, I think? Had random info on the whiteboard behind him, scandal!) Dodoro would often be using that room for recruiting team meetings, but I don't think it's actually his room/office? Or maybe it is/was his room, or one of those situations where his name isn't on the door but all his stuff is in there with his work all over the whiteboard? idk. I think that specific room is supposed to be sound proof or something too. 🤔

That and the question of "who told them not to come to match committee?" Because whoever that is is the person holding the gun/i.e. the person who has the most authority/influence on what is going on internally at the moment. My money would be on either Scott or Vozzo, it clearly isn't Mahoney.
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I can see Essendon being oh so clever that we've found a work-a-round and so we're using it regardless of whether it's actually in our best interests. I'd also question the $ for the boys side of it too if I were a paid up member.

But I also think Vozzo could be sorting through all this. It's weird, I think I'm on team Vozzo. I've been getting the feeling he could be just what we've always needed.
Lore said:
In the past we've had inner sanctum zoom meetings as part of the player sponsorship or something, which I've attended on behalf of the player sponsors and then posted cliff notes in the player sponsorship group PM. The ones I remember attending were Mick Hurley, Mark Harvey, and Ben Rutten (right after he took over as coach).

They usually talk for a while about what's going on and answer some more general questions, and then they take questions from the floor which are usually answered pretty honestly and in more detail than you'd probably expect.

The coterie groups have the same sort of zoom meetings, in fact some of those zoom calls included both coterie members and player sponsors.

The members-only content on the club website basically treats us like mushrooms by comparison.

edit: I think the coteries normally get some of this stuff, player sponsors don't -- but it was sort of an 'in lieu' thing during the covid hubs year because we weren't getting the other benefits we were entitled to, like the cocktail evening event. Or possibly the coteries just have more events with coaches/players/etc attending and doing a Q&A sort of thing so it was also a replacement for them. Not 100% sure but there are definitely higher levels of access given to people throwing in thousands of dollars than a pleb spending his Christmas money on a flex membership
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And you don't see people jumping up and down over Hurley.

Lloyd seemed to scoff that the coterie role would have any impact.
 
Lore said:
In the past we've had inner sanctum zoom meetings as part of the player sponsorship or something, which I've attended on behalf of the player sponsors and then posted cliff notes in the player sponsorship group PM. The ones I remember attending were Mick Hurley, Mark Harvey, and Ben Rutten (right after he took over as coach).

They usually talk for a while about what's going on and answer some more general questions, and then they take questions from the floor which are usually answered pretty honestly and in more detail than you'd probably expect.

The coterie groups have the same sort of zoom meetings, in fact some of those zoom calls included both coterie members and player sponsors.

The members-only content on the club website basically treats us like mushrooms by comparison.

edit: I think the coteries normally get some of this stuff, player sponsors don't -- but it was sort of an 'in lieu' thing during the covid hubs year because we weren't getting the other benefits we were entitled to, like the cocktail evening event. Or possibly the coteries just have more events with coaches/players/etc attending and doing a Q&A sort of thing so it was also a replacement for them. Not 100% sure but there are definitely higher levels of access given to people throwing in thousands of dollars than a pleb spending his Christmas money on a flex membership
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Need to get in to the Chairman's match day functions, have a chat with the board members about your thoughts on the team.
 
Lore said:
Not 100% sure but there are definitely higher levels of access given to people throwing in thousands of dollars than a pleb spending his Christmas money on a flex membership
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I get my cash from doing my paper round and delivering meds to the oldies from the pharmacy.
 
Lore said:
The more interesting part to me was the comment about match committee happening in Dodoro's room/office (I forget the exact word they used). I wonder if they mean something called the War Room which is afaik a small meeting room that they use for signing players etc (we've seen pics in there when Mozzie signed, I think? Had random info on the whiteboard behind him, scandal!) Dodoro would often be using that room for recruiting team meetings, but I don't think it's actually his room/office? Or maybe it is/was his room, or one of those situations where his name isn't on the door but all his stuff is in there with his work all over the whiteboard? idk. I think that specific room is supposed to be sound proof or something too. 🤔
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It has some jazzy name but it is purported to be on specific swipe card access so only about half a dozen people can get in. I guess it would make sense for the match committee information to be kept under similar lock and key but the Hangar is an enormous facility worth hundreds of millions of dollars, you would think they could have 2 rooms.
 

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