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Bonfire in Redfern
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Before we all arc up, maybe some discussion of what appears to be the reasons behind last night is more important than the riot itself.
Now a young man unfortunately died after falling off his bike and impaling himself on a metal fence. Nasty way to die I think we can all agree.
There is a dispute of the facts surrounding the death...did he sadly panic after passing a police patrol just prior to the above, or was he chased? Who knows.
This lead to increased tensions, as people here could understand. Now no riot is justifiable, but you can easily link the riot to the death.
Now a young man unfortunately died after falling off his bike and impaling himself on a metal fence. Nasty way to die I think we can all agree.
There is a dispute of the facts surrounding the death...did he sadly panic after passing a police patrol just prior to the above, or was he chased? Who knows.
This lead to increased tensions, as people here could understand. Now no riot is justifiable, but you can easily link the riot to the death.
Typical bleeding heart leftie line Pazza takes
BLAME THE COPS!
40 cops in hospital, railway station on fire, molotov cocktails being thrown around
Lucky those people live in Australia, in most countries they'd be pulling the rubber bullets out of their bodies
Head to that cesspool of human excrament Indymedia if you want to go on a cop bashing exercise
Get a load of this idiot
Aboriginal leader praises rioters
February 16, 2004
AN Aboriginal elder today congratulated Redfern youths for confronting police in last night's violence in the inner-Sydney suburb that left 50 officers injured.
Redfern elder Lyle Munro told the crowd gathered at the scene of the riot they should be proud Redfern's young people had stood up to police.
"There's been a stand made in the 'fern once and for all," he said.
"The stand had to be taken and was taken by some really brave young black people that we are immensely proud of."
BLAME THE COPS!
40 cops in hospital, railway station on fire, molotov cocktails being thrown around
Lucky those people live in Australia, in most countries they'd be pulling the rubber bullets out of their bodies
Head to that cesspool of human excrament Indymedia if you want to go on a cop bashing exercise
Get a load of this idiot
Aboriginal leader praises rioters
February 16, 2004
AN Aboriginal elder today congratulated Redfern youths for confronting police in last night's violence in the inner-Sydney suburb that left 50 officers injured.
Redfern elder Lyle Munro told the crowd gathered at the scene of the riot they should be proud Redfern's young people had stood up to police.
"There's been a stand made in the 'fern once and for all," he said.
"The stand had to be taken and was taken by some really brave young black people that we are immensely proud of."
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Firstly: there is no evidence yet of the police chasing him
Secondly: say the police were chasing him, why is it the police's fault?
An unfortuante accident but I can't see any reason why it is the police's fault. It makes me sick that people try to turn this into a race issue.
Rubber Bullets? After a certain point isn't the real stuff supposed to come out. They could have done a bit better than water cannons though surely, maybe dye cannons? Bloody big Tazers? something??
The biggest problem is that throughout the whole country, it is being led by dickless PC ALP state governments pandering to the minority and diluting the power of the police to go out and do their job
It's time to put the FORCE back in Police, not the PC named Police "Service"
In the old days, they would of sent in the dogs and tear gas to put these thugs in their place and arrested the lot of them but last night the cops were too scared to use force in fear of a legal 'assault' backlash that would come from the soft(ock ambulance chasing lawyers and 'civil libitarians'
Same thing happened with that tosser that heldup the West Gate for 6 hours plus a few months ago, cops lack the balls to use force anymore
All the fault of the likes of Bob Carr and Steven Bracks
It's time to put the FORCE back in Police, not the PC named Police "Service"
In the old days, they would of sent in the dogs and tear gas to put these thugs in their place and arrested the lot of them but last night the cops were too scared to use force in fear of a legal 'assault' backlash that would come from the soft(ock ambulance chasing lawyers and 'civil libitarians'
Same thing happened with that tosser that heldup the West Gate for 6 hours plus a few months ago, cops lack the balls to use force anymore
All the fault of the likes of Bob Carr and Steven Bracks
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The police say that they weren't chasing him, he rode past the car and suddenly increased his speed. The community feels that it is indicative of the harassment that aboriginal kids get from the police.
So on the surface the scenarios are:
1) Cops were chasing him and in his panic he came off his bike.
2) Cops weren't chasing him but he fled because of past harassment.
But if a radio rumour I heard this morning is correct, he had a warrant out on him. If that is the case, then the police were justified in chasing him regardless and he fled because of the warrant. I doubt if you can claim harassment if you have a warrant out on you.
We shall see how it pans out.
So on the surface the scenarios are:
1) Cops were chasing him and in his panic he came off his bike.
2) Cops weren't chasing him but he fled because of past harassment.
But if a radio rumour I heard this morning is correct, he had a warrant out on him. If that is the case, then the police were justified in chasing him regardless and he fled because of the warrant. I doubt if you can claim harassment if you have a warrant out on you.
We shall see how it pans out.
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A little simplistic IMO. Society forces change not the politicians and any pollie wanting to keep his job usually gives into the greater voice.
Do we really want a return to the taskforce days where they break in, shoot someone dead and then realise they have the wrong person or wrong house?
I do agree that some things are perfectly clear and if you choose to enforce vigilante justice and riot for the sake of it, the police should be allowed to disperse the crowd with a degree of force. There is no way those rioters were all connected to the kid or just defending the aboriginal people. These things should never be allowed to escalate.
There was no blurring of the line last night, people chucking molotov cocktails at cops is different to a police raid executing a warrant
Same with the guy holding the West Gate to ransom
Even Stevie Wonder could see that these thugs were breaking the law and should of been dealt with harshly to the full extent of the law
This highlights more than ever a need to put an end to this PC nonsense of pandering to minority demands and "sensitivities" and the victim mentality many of these communities have.
(1) The police should be allowed to do their job and
(2) Communities need to take responsibility for themselves, clean their act up and not allow this kind of tension to simmer.
Or else, the same ugly things which have happened in the USA and UK will happen here, if it hasn't already started in our suburbs...
(1) The police should be allowed to do their job and
(2) Communities need to take responsibility for themselves, clean their act up and not allow this kind of tension to simmer.
Or else, the same ugly things which have happened in the USA and UK will happen here, if it hasn't already started in our suburbs...
Interesting comment,whatafool,thought of becoming a media commentator?.I'm sure Alan Jones would let u be his off-sider.
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Really shows the dark underbelly that Sydney has always had. The images looked more like the Middle East than the 'greatest olympic city ever"will do irrepairable harm to the tourism industry.
A fair post.
I'm no lover of the cops, but I actually believe them this time. Known facts seem to fit their story, ie pursuing another villian (hence confusion about a chase) and a young lad with a warrant outstanding flees when he sees the cops and comes a cropper. Fatally.
Not sure how many posters here are familar with this area - very nasty atmosphere which you can cut with a knife, with high rates of violence and crime around the station. The strip of Elizabeth Street where they were attacking buses, cars, locals and businessess is pretty nasty too.
I think we have treated the Aborigines appalling from day one, and life must be pretty desperate for urban ones in Glebe and Redfern.
But when you have to live with their actions (we have our fair share of action here in Glebe) and the outcomes, your sympathy is ground down over time.
And there was no excuse for last night's efforts.
Oh for ****'s sake.
I am just saying we should study all the facts of the situation and not just the riot itself, before we all go of half-cocked. Until such action is carried out we will never really know exactly what happened.
If it turns out that the police have something to answer for, so be it. If not well then so be it also.
As it turns out, the police were on surveillance of the station regarding a rape case that happened there recently. And yes the young man had a warrnat on petty crime out on him, so you can understand a little bit of panic, particularly if you are a kid facing such a matter.
However, it was also reported that the police are often in Redfern, stopping kids from even being kids (which even people in here would admit, is a sad situation to live in).
And as for race..no issue...but what I do have a problem with is that Bob Carr reckons the riot had been planned all the long no matter what happened (which puzzles me) and then Brogden wanting to come in with bulldozers and clean the whole thing out, which will only drive whatever problems exist into another community.
The Victoria Police FORCE was a real FORCE in JGK's day, not the lets march in Gay & Lesbian parades, sing Kumbaya and unable to pay for pencils and fill up cars it has degenerated into under that stupid woman Bracks appointed
The whining lefty sooks hated the cops in JGK's day, you knew they were doing their job when that happened
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Brogden would definitely make it worse. The guy has no idea.
An absolute clueles opportunistic tool, but perhaps sadly the best of that bunch.
Given the disasters in every direction recently in NSW, that tool and his mates are our only alternative.
Hopefully he will get knocked during some grandstanding out west, by some fine Lebanese lads with handguns and shotties driving past in a stolen WRX.
This is a race issue. Last night was the explosion of years of simmering frustration and anger.
I work with the Melb Koori community and I am fully aware of the institionalised racism that the Kooris encounter everyday.
What a lot of people do not realise is that Koori culture is very different to White culture. To them family is everything and whatever an indivivual has is also his also thier communties. The social structure is unbelievably complex and one that I am still getting a grip of.
What I do know is that when I enter thier community I first shake the hand of the male elders and then hug and kiss the female elders. Then I can talk to the other community members. It is really about giving and recieving respect.
I have never felt threaten or in danger. even when alone with several intoxicated Kooris. As I said it is about giving and recieving respect.
Does the Koori community have issues? Absoultely. Drugs and Alcohol has cut a huge swarth through the community. Life expectancy is about 45. At some point we have to listen to them and assist them to handle thier issues. Punitive measures will never work.
Ask yourself this? Why is it I can walk alone in a Koori area and be greeted as a friend, but a police officer has to go in armed with his mates. We are both white. What is the difference? Maybe I took the time out to listen.
PS for those who think I am just a bleeding heart, thats cool. Your problem, you can live in fear, me I would rather find a solution to the problem not beat it with a stick.
I work with the Melb Koori community and I am fully aware of the institionalised racism that the Kooris encounter everyday.
What a lot of people do not realise is that Koori culture is very different to White culture. To them family is everything and whatever an indivivual has is also his also thier communties. The social structure is unbelievably complex and one that I am still getting a grip of.
What I do know is that when I enter thier community I first shake the hand of the male elders and then hug and kiss the female elders. Then I can talk to the other community members. It is really about giving and recieving respect.
I have never felt threaten or in danger. even when alone with several intoxicated Kooris. As I said it is about giving and recieving respect.
Does the Koori community have issues? Absoultely. Drugs and Alcohol has cut a huge swarth through the community. Life expectancy is about 45. At some point we have to listen to them and assist them to handle thier issues. Punitive measures will never work.
Ask yourself this? Why is it I can walk alone in a Koori area and be greeted as a friend, but a police officer has to go in armed with his mates. We are both white. What is the difference? Maybe I took the time out to listen.
PS for those who think I am just a bleeding heart, thats cool. Your problem, you can live in fear, me I would rather find a solution to the problem not beat it with a stick.
oh the poor kid facing such a matter, well, u usually get that when you're breaking into houses, or stealing cars, or whatever 'petty' crime it was he committed. if hes man enough to steal a car (lets just say it was that), then he should be man enough to face the consequences.
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