Traded Brad Hill [traded with future 3rd to St Kilda for Acres, #10, #58, future 2nd and 4th]

[Freoforever86]

It's not like Hill is a top 20, let alone top 10 player in the comp. Some Freo fans are going Full Dodoro, you never go full Dodoro.

Last year the players rated Hill inside the best 40 in the comp. he’s having a better year too.

 

[Freoforever86]

I've been wary of getting involved in the "What is Brad Hill worth" discussion.

My uneducated and unbiased opinion, as my team doesn't have anything to gain, or lose in this trade.


Brad Hill is possibly the best winger in the competition, currently. Certainly top 3.

However wingers simply don't have the same value as top quality inside mids. The Lachie Weller trade aside, as that really was extortion of a desperate team, in exceptional circumstances.

Wingers really only perform well when they're the beneficiary of a good midfield. When Freo has played well, BHill has looked very good. When Freo's midfield has failed to fire, so has BHill. He's not the type of player to carry his midfield.

BHill might have 5 good years left at peak performance.

Is pick 3 from Melbourne worth that?

Not to me, not even in this draft.

Is Brad Hill worth a Lachie Neale type trade. Again I believe that's an over pay.

I believe Hill is worth more like a pick 8 to 12, with maybe a swap of later picks that benefits Fremantle, not that you have a third round pick that could be upgraded to a second round pick.


Maybe pick 11 and a mid second round pick for Brad Hill and your 2020 third round pick.

Ok let’s say Hill has 2 years at elite winger and 3 after that at above average winger left in him.

Pick 2-5 could be a bust. They could also want home or a trade after 2 years.

There’s no guarantees in the draft. But Hill is a proven player.

Over rating picks is a big prob when a proven player is available

 

[WilloTree]

"the AFLPA and it's members".

They're kind of a big deal in the scheme of things.

Really? The AFLPA's recommendation was that players take a pay cut to allow for an end to gambling advertising in the AFL. Guess how that worked out?

Any 'Association' that requires you to become an automatic member (eg AFLPA) knows how weak it is - otherwise, they'd be voluntary.

The Assistant Coaches aren't even covered by any Association - probably because there's no point.

IMO, you're giving the AFLPA way too much cred to push your agenda on BHill.

 

[Fat Nyfe]

It's not like Hill is a top 20, let alone top 10 player in the comp. Some Freo fans are going Full Dodoro, you never go full Dodoro.

He's moving into the top 20-30 this year IMO. He's hitting his prime playing seriously impactful footy and is still on a upward trajectory. Wingmen like Hill might not rack up the brownlow votes like inside clearance players do, but his influence on games is second to none. There is no one better at covering the ground at pace in the AFL right now and delivering accurately inside 50 - a prized commodity.

Freo know how good he is and along with his contract situation are well in their rights to ask for overs. Picks have always been speculative, as opposed to proven guns.

Personally I wouldn't offer him up for any deal, he's too valuable to our team. But if he does demand a trade and keeping him would be to the detriment of both parties, We'd be asking for that #5 pick from the Saints as a minimum - ideally he'd be involved in a potential 3 way trade for Kelly so it's gun for gun.
Considering there may be a bidding war between a few of the Vic clubs for him, there's no way he'll be going cheaply.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I think considering the circumstances, it’s fair that Freo wants over. Goes to Freo because he needs to go home. Happily takes a five year deal with a front loaded contract. Tries to leave after two years and now again after three. I’d be frustrated if I was Freo.

Maybe, but some of the demands from some Freo fans here is laughable. Also constantly playing hardball at trade time will make it harder for Freo to recruit big name players to their club.

 

[briztoon]

Ok let’s say Hill has 2 years at elite winger and 3 after that at above average winger left in him.

Pick 2-5 could be a bust. They could also want home or a trade after 2 years.

There’s no guarantees in the draft. But Hill is a proven player.

Over rating picks is a big prob when a proven player is available

No disagreement there about any draft pick could be a bust.

So why are you so keen on a really early pick? Aren't you better off with two bites of the cherry? Especially when you can pick local lads in both those pick ranges.

Every player has his price at the trade table. Charlie Cameron was pick 12, Lachie Neale was picks 6 & 18. Brad Hill is closer to Charlie Cameron for impact on the field, than he is to Lachie Neale.

Charlie Cameron has won games for us off his own boot, but he needed the midfield to get him the ball. Neale has put the midfield on his back and carried our team to a win or two. One is more valuable than the other.


Brad Hill is not worth a top 5 pick to a team that doesn't have the midfield to give him proper service.


It's also much easier to find wingers and small forwards in the draft than genuine quality mids (or KPP's).

 

[Whatname]

Gibberish. Utter Gibberish.

The Liam Henry or Brad Hill part.

Liam Henry is going to Freo as an academy pick. We need late picks to pay for him as I am sure a club will take him at least top 30.

Brad Hill wont be going anywhere unless we get a top 5 draft pick or an A grade midfielder as a replacement.
Got to pay overs when said player still has 2 years to run on contract.

 

[MadMundy]

I'd be good with a three way swap between Fremantle, Geelong and St Kilda:

Fremantle: T.Kelly
Geelong: J.Steven
St Kilda: B.Hill

If that doesn't do it throw in a few picks and we're good.

 

[Freoforever86]

No disagreement there about any draft pick could be a bust.

So why are you so keen on a really early pick? Aren't you better off with two bites of the cherry? Especially when you can pick local lads in both those pick ranges.

Every player has his price at the trade table. Charlie Cameron was pick 12, Lachie Neale was picks 6 & 18. Brad Hill is closer to Charlie Cameron for impact on the field, than he is to Lachie Neale.

Charlie Cameron has won games for us off his own boot, but he needed the midfield to get him the ball. Neale has put the midfield on his back and carried our team to a win or two. One is more valuable than the other.


Brad Hill is not worth a top 5 pick to a team that doesn't have the midfield to give him proper service.


It's also much easier to find wingers and small forwards in the draft than genuine quality mids (or KPP's).

Fremantle haven’t got too many early picks on their list atm. Getting a couple years of real top end pick talent would be awesome.
Plus there’s every chance Kelly picks Freo, or Freo shake something else loose with a couple picks inside 10.

Freo have done the harder bit of the rebuild - added the experienced talent in Hogan Lobb Wilson Matera etc etc.
But they haven’t hit the top end of the draft too hard yet. Brayshaw and Cerra were a start.

 

[briztoon]

Ok let’s say Hill has 2 years at elite winger and 3 after that at above average winger left in him.

Pick 2-5 could be a bust. They could also want home or a trade after 2 years.

There’s no guarantees in the draft. But Hill is a proven player.

Over rating picks is a big prob when a proven player is available

Also, Brad Hill for Angus Brayshaw in a straight up swap is more than a fair trade.

Known commodity for known commodity, with Brayshaw still having more growth and years in him.

 

[Juzzk1d]

I'd be good with a three way swap between Fremantle, Geelong and St Kilda:

Fremantle: T.Kelly
Geelong: J.Steven
St Kilda: B.Hill

If that doesn't do it throw in a few picks and we're good.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

The Liam Henry or Brad Hill part.

Liam Henry is going to Freo as an academy pick. We need late picks to pay for him as I am sure a club will take him at least top 30.

Brad Hill wont be going anywhere unless we get a top 5 draft pick or an A grade midfielder as a replacement.
Got to pay overs when said player still has 2 years to run on contract.

Brad Hill part. Take your word on how good Liam Henry will be, but geez, you want a King's ransom for a 26 year old who has never even been a AA.

I think you will end up getting those later academy picks for Langdon (whose currency seems to be falling by the week)

I honestly think pick 5 (St Kilda's pick) is extreme overs for Hill, Freo would be over the moon if they can get that return for him, despite how valuable he is to Freo.

 

[briztoon]

I'd be good with a three way swap between Fremantle, Geelong and St Kilda:

Fremantle: T.Kelly
Geelong: J.Steven
St Kilda: B.Hill

If that doesn't do it throw in a few picks and we're good.

One of those is not like the other two.

Geelong get shafted on that trade. St Kilda will need to kick in their 2020 second round pick, because they currently don't have one in this draft, or trade for a second round pick in this draft.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Brad Hill part. Take your word on how good Liam Henry will be, but geez, you want a King's ransom for a 26 year old who has never even been a AA.

I think you will end up getting those later academy picks for Langdon (whose currency seems to be falling by the week)

I honestly think pick 5 (St Kilda's pick) is extreme overs for Hill, Freo would be over the moon if they can get that return for him, despite how valuable he is to Freo.

Lachie Neale has never been AA, went for 6, an upgrade of 30 to 19 and also pick 55. Wonder if Brisbane fans would do that trade again?

 

[Freoforever86]

Also, Brad Hill for Angus Brayshaw in a straight up swap is more than a fair trade.

Known commodity for known commodity, with Brayshaw still having more growth and years in him.

Yeah I’d be ok with that trade.

 

[Freoforever86]

Brad Hill part. Take your word on how good Liam Henry will be, but geez, you want a King's ransom for a 26 year old who has never even been a AA.

I think you will end up getting those later academy picks for Langdon (whose currency seems to be falling by the week)

I honestly think pick 5 (St Kilda's pick) is extreme overs for Hill, Freo would be over the moon if they can get that return for him, despite how valuable he is to Freo.

Could end up AA this year. A few media pundits have him in atm

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

One of those is not like the other two.

Geelong get shafted on that trade. St Kilda will need to kick in their 2020 second round pick, because they currently don't have one in this draft, or trade for a second round pick in this draft.

Shafted is an understatement

I agree in your valuation of Hill, a fair trade would be 8-12.

The problem is he wont be traded for a fair swap. From the top of my head, Schache is the only 1 of the 4 attempts we actually know about to be traded when a player has 2 years on his contract left (McCarthy, Steven, Gibbs, Schache) and Schache went because by that time, the Lions were more than happy to move him on. We'll have to get overs to let Hill go

 

[WilloTree]

Ok let’s say Hill has 2 years at elite winger and 3 after that at above average winger left in him.

Pick 2-5 could be a bust. They could also want home or a trade after 2 years.

There’s no guarantees in the draft. But Hill is a proven player.

Over rating picks is a big prob when a proven player is available

Good point. You could end up drafting a Toumpus.

 

[Freoforever86]

Good point. You could end up drafting a Toumpus.

Plenty of 1st round busts.
If it was reversed, I’d happily take the contracted proven player over a top draftee

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mate, go check out your own Bigfooty freo board. I put that trade suggestion up and even offered us sending a 2nd round pick YOUR way. Your entire fan base on your thread disagreed with me and told me that's complete unders. Your fans have rocks in their head except you. I take my hat off to you sir.

To be fair, Brayshaw is hard to value. Had 1 terrific season and a whole heap of meh and injuries either side of it but he's younger than Hill and being played out of position, but he's a history of concussion issues...

I also rate Brayshaw highly and would do a straight swap IF he has a big game at some point towards the end of the season. Anything to give comfort that it really is just being played out of position

 

[Moo]

Hill is a far superior player to Treloar

Do the math around that

I did and the answer 55378008

 

[Whatname]

Brad Hill part. Take your word on how good Liam Henry will be, but geez, you want a King's ransom for a 26 year old who has never even been a AA.

I think you will end up getting those later academy picks for Langdon (whose currency seems to be falling by the week)

I honestly think pick 5 (St Kilda's pick) is extreme overs for Hill, Freo would be over the moon if they can get that return for him, despite how valuable he is to Freo.

I agree pick 5 is probably overs (not sure about extreme) but I also feel that draft picks are over rated sometimes.

 

[Unique Name]

If he had 1 year left then I think Freo would agree on a fair trade. But he has 2 years left on his contract and Freo will want overs.

Going by this thread alot seem to think Pick 10 is a fair trade.


So if Pick 10 is fair, what is overs?

Because like it or not, that is what Freo will be after.

 

[Taylor]

What would it take for Richmond to let Dustin Martin go? What would Geelong expect for Dangerfield if he asked out at the end of the year? What would GWS ask for Josh Kelly if he requested a trade now?

They'd all expect a couple of top ten picks at the starting point before the rest if added. So two top ten picks for Hill should get it done.

 

[Gosaints12]

What would it take for Richmond to let Dustin Martin go? What would Geelong expect for Dangerfield if he asked out at the end of the year? What would GWS ask for Josh Kelly if he requested a trade now?

They'd all expect a couple of top ten picks at the starting point before the rest if added. So two top ten picks for Hill should get it done.

I’m out for two top 10 picks, keep him.