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If we're not picking w***ers then how does M. Clarke keep getting a game?
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If we're not picking w***ers then how does M. Clarke keep getting a game?
pistonbroke23
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M waugh and M taylor are just 2 that spring to mind
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Wrong state you mean.
LukeParkerno1
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You mean the best 2nd slipper we have had, as well as a good middle order bat..AND the test captain! Good luck with that one. Lehmann was not better than either one of them.
jackster83
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Rudolph would be an improvement on North atm. Those conditions were in no way easy for batting and he had to face a whole day of Warne (after our imaginative skipper bowled him unchanged from the same end all day).
As for Lehmann, they did the dirty on him IMO. He went in for shoulder surgery to ensure he was right for the ashes and they never picked him again. As it turned out, our middle order were pathetic that series.
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How about we play our ODI middle order against the WA side that the Bushrangers played the other night and see how many runs they would make?
Would be a tough job avoiding a 100 tbh.
Would be a tough job avoiding a 100 tbh.
LukeParkerno1
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Rudolph is rubbish. Hell even North is better and that is saying something, both should be in the $2 shop bin. The pitch was flat and it was not moving or spinning on a 5th day pitch. Terrible test match pitch!
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people saying hodge has hit a form patch the last 2 games it a bit off the mark. His domestic one day form over the 2-3 years has been fantastic.
in the last 3 years he has scored the following centuries: 119, 116, 102, 103, 114, 113, 140, 134, 136 & 139. 10 centuries, not a bad effort.
His form has also coincided with the fact he realises he wont ever play for australia again. With the pressure off, he has released the shackles and plays care free cricket and his form has shown how good he can be.
Unfortunatly for him, in the ODI arena, he never really took his chances. He had a made some decent contributions against NZ for about 6-7 games, both here and there in 2007. Apart from that he never got going.
When the 20/20's came around, he should definetly been kept in there. was the best in the world and could have shown the aussies how to play it. But the aussies went for a youth policy and cant complain against that.
He is one of those blokes, like jamie siddons, darren lehamn (to an extent), david hussey, rogers, love, law who were just around at the wrong time. would get a game easily now if he was 5 years younger.
in the last 3 years he has scored the following centuries: 119, 116, 102, 103, 114, 113, 140, 134, 136 & 139. 10 centuries, not a bad effort.
His form has also coincided with the fact he realises he wont ever play for australia again. With the pressure off, he has released the shackles and plays care free cricket and his form has shown how good he can be.
Unfortunatly for him, in the ODI arena, he never really took his chances. He had a made some decent contributions against NZ for about 6-7 games, both here and there in 2007. Apart from that he never got going.
When the 20/20's came around, he should definetly been kept in there. was the best in the world and could have shown the aussies how to play it. But the aussies went for a youth policy and cant complain against that.
He is one of those blokes, like jamie siddons, darren lehamn (to an extent), david hussey, rogers, love, law who were just around at the wrong time. would get a game easily now if he was 5 years younger.
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You really have NFI, every post just makes that more and more clear.
Derrrrr take out his 200 and then look at his average, how do you not realise how dumb that statement is, batting was so easy that nobody else in our lineup managed to make runs
I imagine Rudolph had an easy time facing Warne all day long as well, your argument of Rudolph is just rubbish doesn't cut it either.
You really have NFI, every post just makes that more and more clear.
Derrrrr take out his 200 and then look at his average, how do you not realise how dumb that statement is, batting was so easy that nobody else in our lineup managed to make runs
I imagine Rudolph had an easy time facing Warne all day long as well, your argument of Rudolph is just rubbish doesn't cut it either.
Was this the same Test where Rudolf scored that hundred and saved the match for RSA by drawing it? That was a good Test innings.
Clarke is the anointed w***er. Having fallen over themselves so quickly to proclaim Clarke as the next Aussie captain, the selectors would look rather silly if they were to actually admit that maybe they got it wrong. Nah, they will continue to talk him up to save their own reputations.
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Lehman always looked outclassed against the quicks at test level, similar to Brad Hodge. There's been many awesome first class cricketers who havent made the step up, eg Ramprakash and Hick in England, and I feel Hodge and Lehman are similar cases. I remember being at the SCG when the Saffers played Australia, near the end of the day, and the saffers set Hodge up just so easily to pop one to short mid wicket. It was just too easy.
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Lehmann never had a problem against the quicks until he was close to retirement. His eye was always brilliant, eventually his age and fitness caught up to him near the end. He should always have been in the Test side ahead of M Waugh.
As for Hodge...regular ODI failure. Doesn't deserve another game at 35. Same as Bevo.
Got it wrong in what sense?
Our test team is struggling, our one day team is unsettled. All these anti Hodge sentiments are pure nonesense.
There was once a time in cricket where the dominant domestic players were picked for the national team- unfortunately that isn't the case anymore!
You can't pick blokes who don't make Shield and one day runs consistently and then expect them to start to do so on the National Stage.
Hodge should be in the ODI team opening with Watson.
I want our selectors to start picking teams based on runs and wickets, not on who they have a gut feel on or who they think might be able to perform!
There was once a time in cricket where the dominant domestic players were picked for the national team- unfortunately that isn't the case anymore!
You can't pick blokes who don't make Shield and one day runs consistently and then expect them to start to do so on the National Stage.
Hodge should be in the ODI team opening with Watson.
I want our selectors to start picking teams based on runs and wickets, not on who they have a gut feel on or who they think might be able to perform!
And that my friend, combined with the personality conflict was the reason why he rarely played after that point.
As was discussed elsewhere the other day, there used to be a time when selectors sent someone back to domestic cricket to work on that problem and then given another chance if they do, the next season quite early on the Aussie players were all available and the Australian captain made sure that Hodgey got a real workout on the short stuff, he survived easily and made about 200 that day...
Every batsman has bad dismissals but most get another chance
I wonder what the opinion of Hodgey would be and his test record like if he accepted that contract offer from NSW around that time...
Every batsman has bad dismissals but most get another chance
I wonder what the opinion of Hodgey would be and his test record like if he accepted that contract offer from NSW around that time...
There hasnt been a season yet that Brad Hodge was the dominant domestic player. Players 10 years younger than him have been outperforming him in FC cricket and certainly at his age being good just isnt enough.
If you are trying to justify or argue Hodge being hard done by, at least provide some evidence. Its easy to argue 'Hodge has been making mountains of runs every season therefore he should be in.' Show some stats.
Well I only went back 1 season and found Brad Hodge well and truly miles ahead of anyone else in the One day cup last season with 4 centuries, only 1 other person scored more than 1, the best average by far and nearly 100 runs more than the next closest batsman, the year before he was poor yet still score the most centuries again.
Went back another year and a better year and yet again the most centuries. None of the batsman above him played for Australia and most were not younger either
So in the 3 years he has been out of the ODI side he has easily been the best od batsman in that period and a brilliant 10 centuries in about 30 games, not bad considering in those years no other player has ever scored more than 2 in a season
Interesting to compare Hodgey and Clarke, both can be slow starters but if Hodgey reaches 100 he usually ends up with his strike rate over 100 as well
Went back another year and a better year and yet again the most centuries. None of the batsman above him played for Australia and most were not younger either
So in the 3 years he has been out of the ODI side he has easily been the best od batsman in that period and a brilliant 10 centuries in about 30 games, not bad considering in those years no other player has ever scored more than 2 in a season
Interesting to compare Hodgey and Clarke, both can be slow starters but if Hodgey reaches 100 he usually ends up with his strike rate over 100 as well
My thought is that Clarke does not hit the ball in the air through the leg side. That's his major deficiency in limited overs cricket.
When in, Hodge can hit it literally anywhere.
When in, Hodge can hit it literally anywhere.
hodge is one of the most talented cricketers to see, especially live. Australia have wasted him. Batted guys who were past their use by date when Hodge was in his prime like Martyn who was a good player but lingered when Hodge was at his best. Luckily we had a super side and have been getting away with poor selection for many many years. We now longer don't have the stars who can carry 1-3 duds.
09/10 ODD:
Hodge: 622 @ 69 (dominant)
08/09 ODD:
Hodge: 311 @ 38 (the likes Rogers, Klinger, Ferguson all well ahead)
07/08 ODD:
Hodge: 350 @ 50 (the likes of Dighton, Elliot, D Hussey well ahead)
09/10 SS:
Hodge: 276 @ 70 (just 4 digs but Hughes/Smith/Klinger/Hussey far far ahead)
08/09 SS:
Hodge: 808 @ 61 (6th best with Klinger/Rogers/Hughes well ahead)
07/08: 762 @ 47 (Katich 1500 @ 94 was the dominant batsman)
In the past 3 seasons Hodge has had one dominant season in both formats of domestic cricket. Pretty solid for sure, but hes nearly 36 now and solid form is not good enough when guys 10-15 years younger are posting more impressive stats. If he continues his recent form this year and gets a call up to the WC squad, good on him. But his ODI form wont do him any favours.
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I'm talking about 1 day cricket so not sure why you bring up Sheild cricket. And in the last 18 months he has been easily the best cricketer in the ODD comp. Average of 69 last season and already a 140no and 130no. And who gives a flying f@#$ about his age? The world cup is in 5 months!
