Opinion Brendon Bolton

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the nail said:
maybe you should....seem to have all the answers,and jump on anyone who has a opion
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Been around a while … seen a lot …. 300 years does that too a bloke :)
 
bigm386 said:
Young players tend to not have that resilience though. Which is a big part of it.
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Yeah I hear you.....I'm just getting a bit tired of the "young" thing....plenty of young players running around who seem to thrive on a challenge...it is time to start challenging the group...I fear we are starting to let "excuses" become the norm and I don't think that will get us anywhere.
 
the nail said:
maybe you should....seem to have all the answers,and jump on anyone who has a opion
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I have never jumped on anyone with an opion! sometimes I get stuck into onions but that's between me and her - who are you again? oh right, we lost.....
 
Jeremias said:
Buckley had an upward/improving profile over his first 4 years at Collingwood?

I don't think so...

He took over at the end of 2011 - after Collingwood finished top of the ladder and lost the Grand Final.

2012 - 4th
2013 - 6th
2014 - 11th
2015 - 12th (10 wins)
2016 - 12th (9 wins)
2017 - 13th

Not only did Buckley go backwards over his first 4 years, it took him until his 7th full season in charge to move his group forwards.

And he was indisputably coming off a far better and more solid base than Bolton has been afforded.
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Yep that’s fair enough and as I clearly said the situation at those other clubs was different, or did you miss that part. Also the worst of the first 4 seasons which is all I referenced and all that is relevant at the moment was a 10 win season, hardly a disaster compared to where we are even allowing for all the obvious differences.
 
Jacko67 said:
Yep that’s fair enough and as I clearly said the situation at those other clubs was different, or did you miss that part. Also the worst of the first 4 seasons which is all I referenced and all that is relevant at the moment was a 10 win season, hardly a disaster compared to where we are even allowing for all the obvious differences.
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No, I didn't miss anything. Nor did I take anything you posted out of context.

Just pointing out you were wrong about Buckley and the supposed "upward/improving profile" in his first 4 years of senior coach at Collingwood.

Buckley took over a club that had just played off in a grand final. Bolton took over a club that had just decided to embark upon arguably the biggest and most comprehensive rebuild the game has ever seen.

It is crazy to compare his first 4 years to Bolton's, given where each club were at when they both took over.
 
Alphonse_ said:
2 - I am not convinced at all that if we decide to let Bolton go, there are all that great/appealing choices on the open market. I suspect Peter Sumich would be a the best option out of all untried senior AFL coaching options, not sure if he wants to move his family away from WA though.
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Rubbish, there are candidates available:

- Blake Caracella

- Justin Longmuir

- Nathan Bassett

Just to name a few.
 

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Soapy V said:
Midfield is the biggest issue. Not talent but size and experience. In 12 months it won't be an issue. 12 months ago it was much worse
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This quote concerns me. Has our size and experience in the midfield actually improved since last year? And how will it automatically be better in a year's time? Even with an extra year into our kids, we're still left with a very thin and inexperienced engine room. We simply must bring in multiple mature mids. No excuses.
 
gbatman said:
Murphy and Ed have left their prime years and are heading into their 30's. They aren't quite what they were and we don't want to flog them into the ground as older bodies or we won't have them. If you take notice of the better sides, particularly Hawthorn where Bolton and Russell have come from. The older ones don't get flogged into the ground as permanent midfielders. That is how Burgoyne and Hodge have managed to play for so long and why a guy like Judd is a distant memory. Still Murphy and Curnow do play a lot of midfield from what I see.

The young players we are developing are developing as midfielders and are playing as midfielders and that is why older players like Murphy and Curnow are making way for them. Those young players aren't getting the results to make the team a winning team because they aren't good enough yet.

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It isn't about flogging Murphy/thomas/Ed into the ground - it is about having them play a greater role than they do currently so that the bodies of the kids (and Cripps) are a bit more protected. Have a look at centre bounces and data as of the completion of round 7 (https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05...-with-you-your-clubs-centrebounce-specialists)

# centre bounces attended: Patrick Cripps (168 attendances), Zac Fisher (102), Paddy Dow (95), Sam Petrevski-Seton (83), Andrew Phillips (70), Matthew Lobbe (43), Matthew Kreuzer (39), Will Setterfield (35), Sam Walsh (25), Levi Casboult (24), David Cuningham (21), Marc Murphy (15), Harry McKay (10), Ed Curnow (7), Jack Silvagni (6), Michael Gibbons (5)

Excluding the rucks, Murphy was ranked 8th and Ed Curnow 9th in the number of centre bounces attended. On a per game basis, JSOS attends more than Ed Curnow and is about on par with Murphy (probably ahead by now).

JSOS not a mid? - I'd suggest that we won't know if we don't try developing him there. He showed promise in the VFL, provides enough grunt to always impact a contest. He may not end up being a long term mid but he did manage a few clearances from very limited opportunities last weekend. So perhaps give his 191 cm frame a bit more time in there rather than an undersized fisher (175cm) or a heavily fatigued Dow.

Whilst there is no doubt historical drafts are still impacting and we lack the 22-28 you, however it is a coaching decision to throw almost exclusively kids into the centre bounce rather than rotating more senior bodies through for some protection and perhaps more importantly direction/leadership (Cripps can't do it alone, runners can no longer assist in providing direction).

Worried about shortening Ed/Murphy's careers? I'd suggest we should wear that if it gives the kids a bit more respite/helps their development/means that we are not running our younger players into the ground.
 
Jeremias said:
No, I didn't miss anything. Nor did I take anything you posted out of context.

Just pointing out you were wrong about Buckley and the supposed "upward/improving profile" in his first 4 years of senior coach at Collingwood.

Buckley took over a club that had just played off in a grand final. Bolton took over a club that had just decided to embark upon arguably the biggest and most comprehensive rebuild the game has ever seen.

It is crazy to compare his first 4 years to Bolton's, given where each club were at when they both took over.
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It’s crazy to compare them in general. Buckley, Hardwick etc shouldn’t be used as any sort of proof that a coach should be kept around forever and on the contrary Neeld and other failures shouldn’t be used to justify sacking him.
 
Bolton failing at his job.

- Poor game plan (I don't see a descernable style)

- Poor in-game tactics, when it goes pear-shaped there is no plan B

- Poor selections, we are too thin and light in the middle

- Poor player positioning, Gibbons and Ed in the FWD, get them in the middle

2016/2017 with Neil Craig was a different story.

The kid can't coach. It's plainly obvious now.
 
bmaurizio said:
We have Kennedy, Lang, Fasolo, Cunners and Ed Curnow that can be thrown into the midfield to help Cripps now. Also we could select a mature midfield option in mid year draft.
Keep the skinnny , inexperienced talented youngsters on the outside so that they’re not pulverized every game.
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Yes, yes, yes.

He is not developing players, he is stunting them.

Dow may never recover.
 
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