Opinion Brendon Bolton

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Metalcrusher said:
After all this time ….. really? He has posted more bizarre things trust me ;)

We love him though … he is ours :)
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I am a very infrequent visitor to the Carlton forum these days. I have probably missed a lot of the bizarre rants i would imagine.

I am a little worried for him , perhaps a break from BF would be in his best interest.
 
4thchicken said:
Irrespective of the list status, I think discussion about bolton's future is valid.
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Which part of it hasnt been said a hundred times already though. As I said near the start of the thread its very predictable what happens in this kind of discussion. It turns into pointless and point scoring argument very quickly
 
Doro said:
The Giants are one of those sides that can cause meltdowns when in the mood (see the Bombers round one). The response against the Saints who we've strugged against previously will give us a clearer picture of where this season is heading.
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I agree, in fact the next 4 weeks, we need to have intent for longer, no matter the result
 

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AceAndy said:
I am a very infrequent visitor to the Carlton forum these days. I have probably missed a lot of the bizarre rants i would imagine.

I am a little worried for him , perhaps a break from BF would be in his best interest.
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Nope ... its just Thy :)
 
cfc4life said:
I'm asking for someone to back up their statements with a semblance of validity. How is that unfair?
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and you're not getting what you want - on a very basic level that's what this whole dog's breakfast of a thread is about - we want our club to make us feel good and it isn't happening - so we crack the sads and demand it - still not happening - and now another poster dares to ignore your tiny protestations - my word, what a dilemma for you.........
 
Soapy V said:
Maybe they believe he needs to work through it and learn?
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It isn't about taking him out of there completely or challenging him - it is about having a bit more size and experience around him (and others) to support the midfield.

You talk about size and experience in the middle, yet a 175cm fisher has attended 6.8X the number of centre bounces as Marc Murphy, 14.6X than that of Ed Curnow. Dow has attended 6.3X and 13.6X more centre bounces than Murphy and Curnow respectively.

Thomas, who is more than capable of playing midfielder hasn't been sighted in the centre square.

Again, it isn't about not developing or challenging players - but in the context of lacking size and experience, is this really the right balance for our midfield? Why do we insist on excluding 3 mature players from centre clearances?
 
PP34 said:
What has improved? A few extra games have been put into Dow, SPS etc. That’s improvement to you?

Our midfield is basically the exact same as last year. Cripps carrying a bunch of kids with slight frames. You think another year is enough to make drastic improvements size wise? Once again we’re unlikely to attract anyone of note in the midfield due to a poor win loss record.

Statistically we are still awful in the middle. 17th in disposals per game for the second year in a row. 17th in uncontested possessions for the second year in a row. Dead last in inside 50s back to back years.
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What's changed is Ed and Murphy spending less time around the stoppages, to the detriment of short term results
 
AceAndy said:
I am a very infrequent visitor to the Carlton forum these days. I have probably missed a lot of the bizarre rants i would imagine.

I am a little worried for him , perhaps a break from BF would be in his best interest.
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and gee you've been missed, ace - there's been a huge void where your previous sense of uncertainty once was.........
 
4thchicken said:
It isn't about taking him out of there completely or challenging him - it is about having a bit more size and experience around him (and others) to support the midfield.

You talk about size and experience in the middle, yet a 175cm fisher has attended 6.8X the number of centre bounces as Marc Murphy, 14.6X than that of Ed Curnow. Dow has attended 6.3X and 13.6X more centre bounces than Murphy and Curnow respectively.

Thomas, who is more than capable of playing midfielder hasn't been sighted in the centre square.

Again, it isn't about not developing or challenging players - but in the context of lacking size and experience, is this really the right balance for our midfield? Why do we insist on excluding 3 mature players from centre clearances?
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Big picture is my guess. I'd like to see Curnow and others like Charlie in there more but they obviously want them to learn and work through it
 

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Soapy V said:
Yes I was. Was always talking about talent and have always said we need some experience to help. Been very consistent on this

Never said anything about improving quickly.
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You said our midfield has improved. I get that you think Walsh, Setterfield etc will be long term players for the club. But as of right now with their size and lack of experience there’s only so much impact they can have on games.

Setterfield has been fairly ordinary so far which is fine because he’s only played 8 games. Walsh has been a standout but he’s slight framed and the last two weeks has seen him have lesser impact in more heated games.

One more preseason isn’t going to change much in this regard.

If we want genuine improvement in the midfield and to be at least an average midfield then we need to get some battle tested midfielders in. Our current performances are going to make that incredibly hard to do again.

Right now we are leaving Dow, Walsh etc exposed like Melbourne did with Scully, Trengove etc.
 
4thchicken said:
Irrespective of the list status, I think discussion about bolton's future is valid. The 17-60 = 22% W/L record dictates that it must be considered.

A few points
1. Assistant coaches - They seem to get the blame around here however I would suggest that in 3 1/2 years, bolton would have had every opportunity to implement his coaching team/structure (including the role of perennial scapegoat Barker). Therefore the competence and performance (or lack thereof) of assistant coaches reflects on Bolton. If Barker truly was rubbish, then his retention on the coaching team is on Bolton's head. Ditto any other assistant coach.
2. Development of team/game style - what is it? 3 1/2 years in, it is still pretty much unknown - that to me is unacceptable. Consideration must be given as to whether we have been developing an appropriate game style. The best coaches will adapt the game plan/style to suit the list/team at hand and then evolve core elements from there to one that can compete for a flag. Is that happening?
3. Player development - Yes some players have improved but to what extent? other players have stagnated. The question to be considered is whether this has occurred to an acceptable standard (as opposed to just relying natural physical development). From my perspective, the only players that I think have developed well (i.e. above par from what I would have expected) are McKay, Fisher, Kerr, DeKoning, Cunningham, Jones. Is that enough? Could argue players like SPS/JSOS however this is less clear given draft ranking and how he has been used in the team to date i.e. is it what is best for their development. Could we develop mid age players like plowman further?
4. Player management - By all accounts, players get on well however here I'm referring more to roles within the team, protecting immature bodies and managing fatigue etc. If youngsters are tired, or Cripps isn't getting enough protection, why aren't mature bodies thrown in more often? (curnow, Kennedy, Murphy, Thomas, even plowman). Despite some very promising signs, why is JSOS given so little time in the middle? (much bigger body, would give fisher a rest).
5. Getting the best out of the list - Is bolton consistently getting the best out of the players available? Pagan was horrible with that, Ratten was quite good. Where does bolton sit? I think we are getting the best we can out of kreuzer, Thomas, jones, Cripps, weltering, Newman, McKay, fisher, plowman and Kerr - I don't think that is anywhere near enough. Murphy may be excusable (game may have passed him by) but ideally you would want more players playing near potential.

By no means am I saying sack the coach however we need some sort of KPI to measure performance by rather than just taking the attitude that we need time and should just 'trust the process'. Yes injuries have had an impact on performance and should be weighed up when considering Bolton's performance (unlike what happened to Ratten) however it is unacceptable that 3 1/2 years into the 'process' supporters have absolutely no idea what KPIs Bolton is measured against to determine whether he is the right coach or not.

Bolton may be the right coach to take us to a flag- however if for example he isn't, surely we want to find this out now rather than 3-5 years down the track? At the very least we should have an independent review of where we are at to identify potential gaps in the process (cats had one when they got close to sacking Thompson, hawks with Clarkson, tigers with Hardwick - can't recall if we have had one recently)
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Good post. I think it’s completely logical to be asking questions of everyone/everything at the club including the coach in our situation as we can’t afford to just wait and hope that it all works out due to a maturing list. That doesn’t mean we should have a knee jerk reaction but we must have some sort of periodic review process which measures more than wins or losses.

Pretty sure there was a review on game plan last year which found that it was too complicated especially for a young list. If true this is not a strong endorsement for Bolts as a coach imo however part of the issue with him as I see it is that he is a young developing coach so it’s somewhat understandable. May have been too big an ask to be head coach of such a proud club during their if not one of the leagues biggest ever rebuilds.

FWIW I think we have to give him the rest of the year but if there isn’t clear signs of improvements in the areas he is responsible for (not just wins) then a change would seem warranted.

Even though I have my doubts about him at present I sincerely hope he can turn it around and wouldn’t be surprised if he does given that he is a young developing coach so should continue to grow into the role.
 
PP34 said:
You said our midfield has improved. I get that you think Walsh, Setterfield etc will be long term players for the club. But as of right now with their size and lack of experience there’s only so much impact they can have on games.

Setterfield has been fairly ordinary so far which is fine because he’s only played 8 games. Walsh has been a standout but he’s slight framed and the last two weeks has seen him have lesser impact in more heated games.

One more preseason isn’t going to change much in this regard.

If we want genuine improvement in the midfield and to be at least an average midfield then we need to get some battle tested midfielders in. Our current performances are going to make that incredibly hard to do again.

Right now we are leaving Dow, Walsh etc exposed like Melbourne did with Scully, Trengove etc.
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You're kidding? I totally disagree plus having some quality maturity will really make a big difference

I think Walsh is handling it okay. Dow will be fine as will Setterfield and I can't wait until Stocker is fit.

They are doing it tough but when they all improve even a bit to help each other, as a group we will really see improvement. They were pretty good only 8-9 days ago
 
Arr0w said:
What's changed is Ed and Murphy spending less time around the stoppages, to the detriment of short term results
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And that’s not a worry to you at all?

Throwing certain players amongst the wolves can work like it did with Cripps back in 2015. Not every player is like that though.

If we are happy to throw away short term results as a club too then we are doing it horribly wrong. You cannot just ignore wins and losses forever.
 
CFC18 said:
On what basis are you judging Buckley to have not improved the list he inherited over his first four years? Ladder position and wins? Interesting that Bolton is the only coach afforded the right to not be judged by such criteria.
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I said nothing about the "list", simply that it is not true Buckley moved the club forward in his first 4 years at Collingwood.

He went backwards. Every single year out of those 4, and then some more on top.

To suggest he and Bolton have walked into similar or even comparable circumstances is just absurd.
 
Blutopia said:
Blake Caracalla is the only one of those worthy of a top gig.

But Bolton took over a mess and has only just completed the main part of the rebuild. We have the youngest list in the league. Give him a chance to see it through. By end of 2020 we will know and if it’s not working or not - the list will have enough talent and still be young that if Bolton hasn’t seen vast improvement then we look at other options.

Look at Richmond and Collingwood over past couple of years. Had they had the impatience of posters on here calling for Bolton’s blood - would they have won a flag and come close to winning one respectively - if Hardwick was sacked at end of 2016 and Buckley end of 2017.

The last 15 years have been tough. We have made mistake after mistake. But I think most can see that we have made the hard calls but the right calls since end of 2014. We are not aiming to make up the numbers from 4th to 10th, we are looking at a decade of being a contender.

Let’s hope the club can be patient and calm and stay united. It seems to be the biggest key to being a successful club.
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You think Collingwood and Richmond supporters would be accepting their progress had it mirrored ours? Didn't realise they were such tolerant and understanding groups.
 
PP34 said:
And that’s not a worry to you at all?

Throwing certain players amongst the wolves can work like it did with Cripps back in 2015. Not every player is like that though.

If we are happy to throw away short term results as a club too then we are doing it horribly wrong. You cannot just ignore wins and losses forever.
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Nope.
 
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