Brendon Goddard

[Paracleet]

What is this the Don Music fan club? You people sure get disheartened easily. That 'scoop' is almost certainly based on the 'journalist' listening to Lyons most recent 6PR interview where he described Goddard as 'likely to remain a Saint', which could mean anying. (I.E somewhere on the continum between complete lie and an honoust opinion)

 

[Proud Bogan]

What is this the Don Music fan club? You people sure get disheartened easily. That 'scoop' is almost certainly based on the 'journalist' listening to Lyons most recent 6PR interview where he described Goddard as 'like to remain a Saint', which could mean anying. (I.E somewhere on the continum between complete lie and an honoust opinion)

Exactly.

Just where did Jon Ralph, (well-known Freo hater), quote the club in that shit filler piece??

Just more bullshit speculation to fill a column.

Wait for October 1st.

 

[apuchar]

That's all right, I have no idea now who I was talking about....

Good I feel better now.

 

[apuchar]

Herald Sun have reported that Freo have pulled out of the race for Goddard. Posted by someone on another thread

 

[Paracleet]

Beau Brummel in purple pants probe!

 

[Admiral Byng]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/gee...-brendon-goddard/story-e6frf9io-1226476845732

But Fremantle has all but given up the chase for Goddard, 27, despite having pursued him for most of the season.​

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The Dockers have conceded that Goddard, considering his options as a free agent, is unwilling to relocate to Perth.​

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The golf club have turned down his membership application?

 

[democritus]

These articles are just extrapolating non-existent facts from Lyon's 6PR interview. Journos are so desperate to get the exclusive they'll pounce on anything. Maybe we are out of the race but I wouldn't be counting us out based on that.

 

[believe_it]

Eager for success Goddard might head to Melbourne. Richmond could be in the hunt but given St Kilda already finished 9th this year he would likely be looking to expand his horizon and seek new challenges.

 

[Nickos66]

Eager for success Goddard might head to Melbourne...

Wut.

 

[apuchar]

Eager for success Goddard might head to Melbourne. Richmond could be in the hunt but given St Kilda already finished 9th this year he would likely be looking to expand his horizon and seek new challenges.

agree it would be a challenge. Clearly money is going to be the deciding factor.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Clearly money is going to be the deciding factor.

I believe that is clearly incorrect.
I have it on very good authority that the two highest offers are from GWS and then Freo, but he doesn't want to play for GWS (or probably move to that part of Sydney) and apparently isn't interested in moving to Freo and then having to travel every second week, which is why Freo have been ruled out (now that Essendon have come along with a very big offer).

If money was "clearly the deciding factor", he would go to GWS, but I don't believe that will happen.

 

[raffrox]

agree it would be a challenge. Clearly money is going to be the deciding factor.

Its going to be hard to compete with Melbourne's success though.

 

[apuchar]

I believe that is clearly incorrect. I have it on very good authority that the two highest offers are from GWS and then Freo, but he doesn't want to play for GWS (or probably move to that part of Sydney) and apparently isn't interested in moving to Freo and then having to travel every second week, which is why Freo have been ruled out (now that Essendon have come along with a big offer).

If money was "clearly the deciding factor", he would go to GWS, but I don't believe that will happen.

Biggest offer in Victoria. The offer from St Kilda appears reasonable why not just stay there.

 

[aussierulesrules]

He might, but ours is still a long way short of Essendon's, apparently and he also wants at least 4 years (I believe Freo offered him 5) and we are only offering him 3. Considering we now reportedly have ample room in our salary cap (thanks to Riewoldt's salary being cut in half next year, plus being able to put up to $800K outside the salary cap, thanks to the new veteran's list rules) and could easily enough give him 4 years, we seem to be trying to make it as hard as we can for him to want to stay!

 

[apuchar]

He might, but ours is still a long way short of Essendon's, apparently and he also wants at least 4 years (I believe Freo offered him 5) and we are only offering him 3. Considering we now reportedly have ample room in our salary cap (thanks to Riewoldt's salary being cut in half next year, plus being able to put up to $800K outside the salary cap, thanks to the new veteran's list rules) and could easily enough give him 4 years, we seem to be trying to make it as hard as we can for him to want to stay!

So he may leave for better money. St Kilda are offering him a reasonable contract for a player that is already at your club. The other clubs have to offer a lot more to overcome player loyalty. I hope he stays at St Kilda for a good contract. Which he will do if he cares about the club at all.

 

[Seppo]

He might, but ours is still a long way short of Essendon's, apparently and he also wants at least 4 years (I believe Freo offered him 5) and we are only offering him 3. Considering we now reportedly have ample room in our salary cap (thanks to Riewoldt's salary being cut in half next year, plus being able to put up to $800K outside the salary cap, thanks to the new veteran's list rules) and could easily enough give him 4 years, we seem to be trying to make it as hard as we can for him to want to stay!

I don't really get why if the Saints had the room in the cap to make Goddard happy, why wasn't he signed up ages ago.
Makes it a certainty that contract talks have been held up this long because he is leaving for greener pastures.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I don't really get why if the Saints had the room in the cap to make Goddard happy, why wasn't he signed up ages ago.

Because we have, as a club, apparently come to a decision to not offer anyone a much higher contract than the rest, as we have done in the past. In the past we probably would have just offered him a lot more money and a longer contract (in fact the word is that we promised him those things earlier in the year, but have since reduced both the amount and length of the contract, in our official offer) and it would have been done by now.

But we now apparently want to go about things more like Geelong have in recent years, were they didn't pay anyone more than about $600K a year. We also probably don't want to risk ending up in the position we are with Kosi at the moment (where he is contracted for another year next year, on very big coin, despite the fact he probably won't be in our best 22, as he seems to have hit the wall), when Goddard reaches the end of a 4 year contract (at 31yo). Then of course there is the fact that we are already offering him a pay rise, despite his form dropping off considerably in the past two seasons, so offering him any more is probably not on.

At the end of the day, I think the offer we are making him is pretty much very fair, but if another club comes way over the top, then we might just have to take the compo pick and extra space in our salary cap and wish him well. I wouldn't begrudge him "winning the Lotto" by going to another club.

Makes it a certainty that contract talks have been held up this long because he is leaving for greener pastures.

Not necessarily. I think he is still hoping that we will offer him either more money, or a 4 year deal and that that will enable him to stay and possibly captain the club.

St Kilda may also be waiting to see what an actual official offer from another club amounts to, before making their final offer. If he wants to stay, I don't believe we will have to actually match another club's offer, but could still "split the difference" (between what we are offering him now and what the other club's official offer is), if he is happy with that.

 

[Fat Nyfe]

I doubt we'd pull out unless something else is lined up. Think we'll end up one of Wellingham or Young, and Goddard will go to Essendon. I honestly don't know why Saints are being so stingy, up the deal to 4 years and Goddard will sign. They already lost Lyon due to tardy management.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I honestly don't know why Saints are being so stingy, up the deal to 4 years and Goddard will sign. They already lost Lyon due to tardy management.

Yeah, I think if he is willing to stay for a shitload less money than he could get elsewhere, then the least we can do in return is give him the 4 years he is asking for.
Most on our board also agreed that we ought to just give him the 4, when it was recently reported that the main sticking point was that he wanted 4 and we only offered 3. There has certainly been a lot of similarity between the way we have gone about this and the way we went about Lyon's contract last year, too, IMO, so I agree with that.

 

[Proud Bogan]

St Kilda may also be waiting to see what an actual official offer from another club amounts to, before making their final offer. If he wants to stay, I don't believe we will have to actually match another club's offer, but could still "split the difference" (between what we are offering him now and what the other club's official offer is), if he is happy with that.

Really appreciate your imput on the board mate. Quality stuff.

But I have a question on the above paragraph, and I have no idea about the rules and technicalities of this at all.

Wouldn't your above scenario equate to tampering with the rules in some way?? My understanding, and it is basic at best, is that we/others make an official offer via the FA transfer system and you have to match it.

Just seems like a sweetheart deal to me that could go pear-shaped legally wise if you split the difference behind closed doors.

Very happy to be wrong.

 

[aussierulesrules]

You're welcome.

I don't have a lot of expertise with regards to the new free agency system, but I'm just going by the feeling I'm getting after hearing what has been said recently, about how both St Kilda and Goddard were happy to "test the waters" of free agency, to get a sense of what his "market value" is, before coming to a final agreement (whether that be to part company, or re-sign him for longer).

I don't imagine we would be doing that if we did have to actually match an offer from another club, because we can get him for less now, so it would be ludicrous for us to wait until FA starts, if we have to pay more than that to retain him. He is apparently willing to stay for less than other clubs are offering him, so us being happy to wait until a time when have to pay just as much as other clubs are offering him makes no sense.

So I get the feeling the only time a club would have to resort to matching an offer from another club is when whoever they are fighting for actually 100% wants to leave and the club that is matching the offer is doing so to either keep them "against their wishes", or to get the other club to have to trade for him, like they would have done prior to free agency starting (or risk having to get him in the draft).

If someone like Goddard is still happy to stay at their club though and they are happy to "split the difference", once that other official offer comes in, then I imagine they are well within their rights to do so.

Just like you, I could be wrong about that, but that is the feeling I am getting. We would have to be out of our minds to be waiting for free agency to start, otherwise, I reckon.

 

[Righteo]

Wut.

I've read it a dozen times now and I still don't get it.

 

[believe_it]

I've read it a dozen times now and I still don't get it.

Eager for success Goddard might head to Melbourne . Richmond could be in the hunt but given St Kilda already finished 9th this year he would likely be looking to expand his horizon and seek new challenge.

I am not sure if that's the one for sarcasm but I think I better end the suffering.

 

[estibador]

I have it on very good authority that the two highest offers are from GWS and then Freo, but he doesn't want to play for GWS (or probably move to that part of Sydney) and apparently isn't interested in moving to Freo and then having to travel every second week, which is why Freo have been ruled out (now that Essendon have come along with a very big offer).

F**k these Vics are soft.

Looks like you have to draft them young and breed them yourself because by the time they get to their mid 20's they're either scared of planes or the sun.

 

[Proud Bogan]

You're welcome.

I don't have a lot of expertise with regards to the new free agency system, but I'm just going by the feeling I'm getting after hearing what has been said recently, about how both St Kilda and Goddard were happy to "test the waters" of free agency, to get a sense of what his "market value" is, before coming to a final agreement (whether that be to part company, or re-sign him for longer).....etc.

Great reply.

This is where FA does my head in a bit.

A player wants to leave, but his club matches the offer from a rival.

Is he then compelled to enter the draft and be at its mercy??

I think that I need to do some research on this, but it bodes for a lot of ill-will and bad intent in the right, (wrong) scenario.