Brent Harvey

[Engimal]

Exactly.

He has become a bit player.

North still relying on a 35 year old far too heavily. Very poor future planning for mine.

I think he and Petrie should be coaxed into retirement Lloyd-style at the end of the year. Absolutely no point in keeping them on any longer. Time to let kids stand up.

Harvey could still play for another 3 years. Petrie will hang the boots up at the end of next year, I think.
Word was that we were trying to groom Harper into Harvey's role but a lapse in Harper's form has prevented that.

 

[r_boy]

We need Drew and Boomer's experience for as long as possible - we're not going down the Melbourne path. Our first several games this year without Boomer showed we'll be okay without him. And he performs in big games just fine, just not when our entire system is ineffective like it was against Freo. There's no shame in not being Ablett and getting 40 touches and 3 goals when your team is getting whooped.

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

Bad call, terrible call, anyone who has been watching him since he began knows how good he is. I remember him kicking some ridiculous goals against my mob in 2008 when we were flying and top 4.

 

[MotleyLemon]

We need Drew and Boomer's experience for as long as possible - we're not going down the Melbourne path. Our first several games this year without Boomer showed we'll be okay without him. And he performs in big games just fine, just not when our entire system is ineffective like it was against Freo. There's no shame in not being Ablett and getting 40 touches and 3 goals when your team is getting whooped.

Disagree.

When are Ziebell, Cunnington and Bastinac going to learn to stand up together? At the moment, it seems only one of them can produce a decent game at a time.

Removing Harvey from the fold forces them to take on more responsibility.

I think North's drafting need to be looked at, they have basically taken the same player with 2 first rounders and a second rounder in consecutive years.

 

[Gasometer]

Disagree.

When are Ziebell, Cunnington and Bastinac going to learn to stand up together? At the moment, it seems only one of them can produce a decent game at a time.

Removing Harvey from the fold forces them to take on more responsibility.

I think North's drafting need to be looked at, they have basically taken the same player with 2 first rounders and a second rounder in consecutive years.

We are using the Geelong model of mediocrity circa 2005-2006, early 2007.

Come post to us when these three are in the 100-150 game bracket.

 

[Pykie]

Selwood had what, 13 touches on Crowley as well? Front runner as well?

I seem to remember him kicking 5 against the best of the best, but no, South Australia are probably a soft target as well.


The bloke is 35 ffs.

 

[The_Reaper]

I think it has everything to do with our systems breaking down against the better sides and that's an indictment on the team and coaches as a collective. This whole Petrie and Harvey are front runners thing represents a very limited analytical viewpoint.

Alas, there is nothing I or anyone else can do to stop BigFooty having a crack.

I saw an interesting stat that the average weight of the Gold Coast team that beat you was heavier than the team that you fielded.
Might explain why North struggle against certain styles of play. Gold Coast would be a lighter than many teams.

 

[jim boy]

Possibly a sign that the end is imminent. When you start finding that the best opposition is now beyond your reach, things can start going downhill rapidly.

Speculation of course, and regardless you can't deny that his career has been one of a champion player on the field (not certain about off it)

 

[Freeeoo]

Has been a great player. Went down a little in my estimation and I was a little surprised when he squealed about being pinched (whether he was or wasn't), but that's just my old school mentality.

Will go down as one of Norths greats and that is rare air.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Possibly a sign that the end is imminent. When you start finding that the best opposition is now beyond your reach, things can start going downhill rapidly.

Speculation of course, and regardless you can't deny that his career has been one of a champion player on the field (not certain about off it)

No bloke deserves to have to put up with crap like pinching.

 

[calyam]

Possibly a sign that the end is imminent. When you start finding that the best opposition is now beyond your reach, things can start going downhill rapidly.

Speculation of course, and regardless you can't deny that his career has been one of a champion player on the field (not certain about off it)

Or it is simply an example of a player having a bad game. Every player does from time to time.

According to ChampionData he is actually having a more influential season this year than last year - and is playing better than the average of his past four seasons. In addition, the AFL Rankings system currently has him as the 14th best player in the league, ahead of players such as Judd and Cotchin.

The end, when it comes, will probably be swift - it usually is. But I'm not sure we should use a singular game and derive a great deal of meaning from it.

 

[jacko57]

The end, when it comes, will probably be swift - it usually is. But I'm not sure we should use a singular game and derive a great deal of meaning from it.

True, but Boomer could be an exception. North doesn't really have an ideal choice for the greenvest, at the moment anyway. I could see Boomer in 2014 or even 2015, being a real asset for several games, coming on for a burst in the second half, so long as he retains his speed.

 

[calyam]

True, but Boomer could be an exception. North doesn't really have an ideal choice for the greenvest, at the moment anyway. I could see Boomer in 2014 or even 2015, being a real asset for several games, coming on for a burst in the second half, so long as he retains his speed.

I have long held that the sub could be used to get another season or two out of a superstar, rather than currently where it is mostly used for youngsters. The sub-vest could help the likes of Harvey and Goodes get to 400 games.

The big problem for older guys is that there is no margin for error. A hamstring or a knee injury can severely disrupt your season and potentially end their careers. The greatest risk for Harvey right now is that he could receive a couple of injury setbacks but luckily there has been no sign of that yet.

Predicting the future for older players is just so difficult. The careers of Scott West and Nathan Buckley were over just like that, while I've thought that Dustin Fletcher was going to retire each year since about 2008.

 

[MotleyLemon]

We are using the Geelong model of mediocrity circa 2005-2006, early 2007.

Come post to us when these three are in the 100-150 game bracket.

Mediocrity in 2005? At least we won a final...

Let's have a look at North's last 10 years of finals performances...

2012 EF1 - Loss to WCE - 96 points
2008 EF2 - Loss to SYD - 35 points
2007 PF2 - Loss to PTA - 87 points
2007 SF1 - Win over HAW - 33 points
2007 QF1 - Loss to GEE - 106 points
2005 EF1 - Loss to PTA - 87 points
2002 EF2 - Loss to MEL - 38 points

Average finals losing margin of about 75 points.

No improvement in 10 years, and it looks like they will miss again this year. Aren't too many blokes who have been there for the entire 10 years, Harvey, Wells, Petrie and Firrito I would think off the top of my head. Appears to be a culture of acceptance of inadequacy at the club.

 

[MinerBoy]

Newsflash: easier to dominate against shit teams.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Mediocrity in 2005? At least we won a final...

Let's have a look at North's last 10 years of finals performances...

2012 EF1 - Loss to WCE - 96 points
2008 EF2 - Loss to SYD - 35 points
2007 PF2 - Loss to PTA - 87 points
2007 SF1 - Win over HAW - 33 points
2007 QF1 - Loss to GEE - 106 points
2005 EF1 - Loss to PTA - 87 points
2002 EF2 - Loss to MEL - 38 points

Average finals losing margin of about 75 points.

No improvement in 10 years, and it looks like they will miss again this year. Aren't too many blokes who have been there for the entire 10 years, Harvey, Wells, Petrie and Firrito I would think off the top of my head. Appears to be a culture of acceptance of inadequacy at the club.

A ridiculously narrow minded analysis.

The team of the 90's made the mistake of topping up for too long a period up until the mid 2000's before embarking on a root and branch rebuild.

 

[Post padding]

Maybe if one of North's young guns (or Wells) could step up and let Harvey be a dedicated roaming half forward flanker with stints in the midfield, BF would remember Harvey as the champion he has been for his career.

He's 35 ffs. Dustin Fletcher isn't taking the best forward at his age.

Hasn't for ten years actually

 

[Lockyer24]

Noticed this too, it's a game they should be resting him not stat padding

 

[Gasometer]

Mediocrity in 2005? At least we won a final...

Let's have a look at North's last 10 years of finals performances...

2012 EF1 - Loss to WCE - 96 points
2008 EF2 - Loss to SYD - 35 points
2007 PF2 - Loss to PTA - 87 points
2007 SF1 - Win over HAW - 33 points
2007 QF1 - Loss to GEE - 106 points
2005 EF1 - Loss to PTA - 87 points
2002 EF2 - Loss to MEL - 38 points

Average finals losing margin of about 75 points.

No improvement in 10 years, and it looks like they will miss again this year. Aren't too many blokes who have been there for the entire 10 years, Harvey, Wells, Petrie and Firrito I would think off the top of my head. Appears to be a culture of acceptance of inadequacy at the club.

Its about what you were in 2005 and 2006 mate.

We believe once the midfield youngsters you trashed have another season under their belt we will enjoy a sustained period of success.

My point is you cant put old heads on young shoulders and the same can be said for your team around that era prior to the famous Cook review that saved Bombers job.

 

[worthy]

Joel Sellwood

13 possessions against a hardened Freo side, then 29 touches and 2 goals against the GWS kids.

Soft footballer.

I love posts like this that show up the person being quoted for the silly they are.
Not you obviously, the one you quoted.

 

[Beerfish]

LOL!!!

Yeah they were real hard on the weekend weren't they a dismal 9 scoring shots to 30, smashed by 7 goals and would have been even uglier had Geelong kicked straight.

It's reached the point where this joint needs a separate board dedicated for North troll threads.

Agreed. I nominate the North board. Who's with me?

 

[the distributer]

11 possessions against a hardened Freo side, then 24 touches (2 contested!) and 3 goals against the GWS kids.

Has there ever been a more damning indication of why Boomer Harvey is the biggest front runner in the game?

North won't get any better until he retires.

You're not overly bright are you?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Agreed. I nominate the North board. Who's with me?

Come over. We'll lay out the welcome mat.

 

[MotleyLemon]

Its about what you were in 2005 and 2006 mate.

We believe once the midfield youngsters you trashed have another season under their belt we will enjoy a sustained period of success.

My point is you cant put old heads on young shoulders and the same can be said for your team around that era prior to the famous Cook review that saved Bombers job.

I look forward to North Melbourne winning 3 of the next 6 flags.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I look forward to North Melbourne winning 3 of the next 6 flags.

Perhaps if we could go back in time and snag a few gun father sons AND some corresponding 1st round picks.