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It sure wasWhat do you mean Cameron deal? That was one of the crows greatest ;-)
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It sure wasWhat do you mean Cameron deal? That was one of the crows greatest ;-)
Please...let's not start this again!I think in the context of my comment, senior players approached and lobbied Chapman etc about their concerns with CM shortly before the season started. Yet it wasn't until mid year that a change was finally made.
Did they by-pass the coaching/football manager to do this. Or were they telling the Burton/Pyke etc, and not being listened to?
And even approaching Chapman, it still took 4-5 months for any action.
Fair enough. Seems some people have forgotten the some of the actionsPlease...let's not start this again!
I understand your comments.
Maybe (I'm just guessing) the players have raised it with our senior administrators and they have been ignored. What to do next then?
Or he keeps doing his role poorly, backed by the administration who appointed himRumors doing the rounds is that it has been raised. As mentioned a few months back. It a pointless argument these days to worry about Burton, he either improves his man-management/communication skills or he moves on,
And why didn’t they move on Burton?
They would then have to admit his appointment was a mistake, bringing into his question their judgement and be accused of getting the boys club appointment wrong.
What are the key attributes needed to be a football manger?I think we have been extremely judgmental of Burton this year on the team's poor showing, the injury toll, and his lack of Media nous when speaking in the midyear conference with Pyke (where most would agree Pyke handled it much better and showing more awareness of fault).
Personally, I think Burton should be given notice that things need to be handled better for next year, or he will get the marching order. Before then, I think it's important to rationalise some points:
- Burton (and Hass) was here at the start of 2017. The year we had made the Grand Final with a decent injury toll. Had we won the GF, Burton and Pyke might had been hailed as the 2 new Crows Messiahs (along with Blight).
- you can't just fire one person for a whole year of mess. Often big messes involve many factors and/or many people, not just one.
- if it was that obvious the season was a shambles due to Burton, and Burton alone, then I think the club would have acted on common sense to discharge Burton from his role.
- following the point from above, if the club knew it was completely Burton's fault (and noone else's), and decided to still keep him, then the whole club hierarchy deserve to have their contracts terminated also!
We did cease the relationship with CM after knowing it went wrong.What are the key attributes needed to be a football manger?
Do you honestly think Burton will ever have these attributes?
A key one is the ability to make good decisions, including when something goes wrong to fix it asap. If you never admit you get it wrong, it won't get get fixed.
Think about the qualities of other good football managers & compare to Burton.
If someone is performing badly & there is no chance they will improve, you don't just leave them in the role to cause major issues.
Very little...How much would a player really have to do with Noble/Burton on a regular basis?
I absolutely agree with you that the key attributes of a good football manager (or any type of manager) is the ability to identify faults and correct them.What are the key attributes needed to be a football manger?
Do you honestly think Burton will ever have these attributes?
A key one is the ability to make good decisions, including when something goes wrong to fix it asap. If you never admit you get it wrong, it won't get get fixed.
Think about the qualities of other good football managers & compare to Burton.
If someone is performing badly & there is no chance they will improve, you don't just leave them in the role to cause major issues.
We need to wait and see on next year’s results to see if any real improvements. Though it’s good to see that we did bring results to a more positive state from mid-year debacle to the latter part of the season.We did cease the relationship with CM after knowing it went wrong.
We also made some changes in regards to hamstring I juries and ultimately hired Steve Saunders.
These are two key issues last season and both have been identified and corrected by the club with corrective action taken midseason. Albeit the season was shot by then anyway.
I guess the real question is. Did Burton play a big role in this identification and action process?
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Burton is one of Roo's best mates and will not be going anywhere while Roo has anything to do with the club. Was one of the worst appointments in the clubs history. Up there with Gary Ayres, Robert Shaw and Brenton Sanderson. The club has a history of being more recalcitrant than the afl. They find it impossible to admit they made a major error. The Stephen Trigg episode is a prime example. Our clubs problems all stem from our pigheaded chairman Rob Chapman imo. No other club in the league would still have a chairman who presided over the tippett saga that cost us at least 1 flag.As many of you will know, I don’t post comments about players etc... unless the source is very very good. I’ve been on this board for a long time, so feel free to check out my history.
With that said, I can share information heard from one of our senior, leadership type of players. He was speaking recently at a venue after a couple of drinks and mentioned that he wished Noble was back at Adelaide, how they loved his work and had great respect for him. He went on to say that he and the vast majority of the players did not like Burton at all. They thought he was “a compete idiot” and out of his depth.
This is from a player who has known Burton for a very long time.
If this is the feeling of the players and the supporters are also asking questions about his suitability, just how blindly stubborn are our administration? I mean why on Earth would you roll Burton out to present the jumpers to the new draftees? No ex players the draftees might have been excited to meet? Or was it just to get him out of the room while the big boys made the actual decisions?
I find the comments (genuine comments at that) to be of great concern moving forwards. How long will we have to bury our heads in the sand so that Fagan and co can pretend they didn’t stuff up his appointment and as a consequence our premiership chances?
Shakes headBurton is one of Roo's best mates and will not be going anywhere will Roo has anything to do with the club. Was one of the worst appointments in the clubs history. Up there with Gary Ayres, Robert Shaw and Brenton Sanderson.
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The Club allowing him to present jumpers, just highlighted the support he has behind him. He isnt going anywhere.
We can only hope he gets promoted to a position that has nothing to do with players.
I believe most members would pay from their own pocket to pay out Burton's contract.As I am hearing it, the only people who are less impressed with Burton than the players are other members of staff. It’s their careers too, after all.
I reckon you’ll find most members think Burton is a lovely South Australian boy whose mouth wouldn’t melt butterI believe most members would pay from their own pocket to pay out Burton's contract.
Maybe we can make the COO a joint position and have him follow Smart around going to e-sports tournaments.
That would result in exhaustion.Maybe presenting jumpers to the draftees should be his only job from now on? Get him to focus on that - he can spend the year practicing his handshake and jumper-giving technique, perhaps developing new, innovative jumper-giving techniques (maybe some kind of round the back or under the leg trick-shot or something).
No if he fails he's gone, like anyone once they are given a chance to improve they must improveOr he keeps doing his role poorly, backed by the administration who appointed him
Not at the AFC.No if he fails he's gone, like anyone once they are given a chance to improve they must improve