Brian Lake

[romeoh]

Yep the tribunal must have dismissed the video evidence

Gee it would be nice if the Hawks fans could for once not act like victims and blame others

As bad as the Ess supporters

Worse -can you imagine if they were the club in the doping saga-would make all the bombers looney tunes look sane. Am starting to think we have got off lightly after all on that one.

 

[Gavin Excell]

an appeal?

 

[lepregnome]

The sentence was too lenient. Attempted murderer needs treatment in a mental institution. Pity, Kennet closed them down.

Please tell me this is a joke. Attempted murderer lol

 

[Bobby_]

He's a precious media darling who can't take criticism. Harvey is much the same.

as long as they continue winning, why would they care what Hodgepodge from BigFooty thinks?
At the end of the day, your one of thousands of opinions which ultimately mean nada.

 

[BEEG]

Fair enough can't be doing that shit

4 is a bit harsh 2 I would have thought is fair

 

[King Elvis]

4 weeks?

Fair enough, he really injured Petrie...

Oh wait, no he didn't.

A month of footy for a scuffle with no consequences is ludicrous.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

It does show clear intent.

But no injury was sustained.

0 weeks in my view.

So you would accept that an act that could potentially damage your airway (any fracture/trauma around the larynx is an immediate medical emergency) or cause you to pass out - is perfectly acceptable because the guy was lucky enough that no damage was done?

Judging based on damage caused is just negligent. Injury may increase the severity of punishment, it should not impact judgement of the severity of the act/intent.

 

[romeoh]

He's a precious media darling who can't take criticism. Harvey is much the same.

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Not really sure what you are actually basing this on?

 

[cryptor]

Still not sure how the jury has been able to deem it 'high impact'.

There was 3 only pieces of evidence that the jury were allowed to take into account:
1. The North Melbourne medical report that stated Petrie required no treatment from the incident.
2. Lake's account of the events where he stated he was only trying to grab Petrie's tight jumper while his vision was impaired.
3. The video of the event which Wood (the AFL prosecutor) said he thinks looked like high impact.

Obviously the video is an important piece of evidence in the case but I fail to see how a high level of impact could be determined purely from that. Not when the other two sources of evidence say the complete opposite.

There's the possibility that 'level of impact' can vary depending on where the contact occurs. For example, more force with a fist to the torso could have lower impact than a less forceful press to the throat. Even if this were the case though there's still nothing to suggest the result of contact to the throat was forceful enough to be deemed anything more than low impact given by Petrie's testimony in his own case that he "never lost the ability to breathe". Unfortunately that piece of evidence wasn't allowed to be used so you'd think they'd go to the next best source for determining impact. Obviously you can't just take Lake's word for it so you go to the North Melbourne medical report which states Petrie required no treatment from the incident. Surely if the impact was medium or high then he would've required at the very least an examination.

I'm also surprised the Hawthorn QC didn't call for Petrie's testimony given he's already made his position clear over the weekend that the force was low impact in his own opinion and that he never had his breathing affected by it. All information the jury was aware of prior to hearing Lake's case but unable to take into account as Petrie was never called as a witness in Lake's own case. The fact they would've known this despite not being able to take it into account and yet despite the AFL prosecutor recommending a 3 week suspension decided to go one step further with 4 weeks suggests to me that they had already decided what they wanted him to get. A real court jury would never be allowed to sit on a case after being subjected to so much media witch hunting.

If Hawks were going into the finals over the next few weeks I'm certain Hawthorn would appeal this in court based on the above evidence (minus the last part about the jury already having decided his punishment - that bit is just my opinion).

In the end he was never going to escape with anything less than 3 weeks and given we play Melbourne and Bulldogs in weeks 3 and 4 of the suspension (who are both lacking a really dangerous power forward for him to play on) it's not such a big deal. If he was to get those 3 weeks I am happy it was pushed out to 4 where he will now go on with less carry-over points.

 

[Sid]

Bingo.

Especially the last sentence.

What I can't get over is the muted response to Petrie's actual blood drawing on Lake's face. He's done this before.

Back when I used to kick a footy around, eye-gouging was considered one of the most gutless and dangerous acts on a footy field. Apparently times have changed...

I do see your point mate, but just want to know what you would expect Petrie to do in this case?

 

[benbanjo]

4 weeks?

Fair enough, he really injured Petrie...

Oh wait, no he didn't.

A month of footy for a scuffle with no consequences is ludicrous.

Im all for a scuffle.... just don't try suffocating players...

 

[stellation]

And to people who say Boomer is a classless player, I present this to you;

[Media]

Good stuff from Boomer, it was just a choke- it's not like the guy pinched him or anything!

 

[base615]

He'll be back for the Geelong game. So eat your heart out.

Based on last week's performance, Geelong will be well happy with him being back for that game.

All this "no injury caused" crap is rubbish. He attempted to strangle a guy, had it not been on a footie field he'd potentially be up on an attempted murder charge and "well, he didn't actually murder him" as a defence for that crime does not get you off the charge.

 

[TheFourPillars]

4 weeks?

Fair enough, he really injured Petrie...

Oh wait, no he didn't.

A month of footy for a scuffle with no consequences is ludicrous.

Nahh mate he and the tv audience will be scarred for life from the vision.
Think of the children they all cried in the media.

Edit: that should be mentally scarred after all there are no physical scars to be seen

 

[King Elvis]

Im all for a scuffle.... just don't try suffocating players...

Why not?

It's good fun in the bedroom, no big deal.

 

[Hodgepodge]

This is what Petrie said;

"I think my hand was on his face for about two seconds. As soon as I realised I'd made contact with his face, I pulled my hand away," Petrie said."

And this somehow makes him a dog?

Whatever. You're delusional.

No, he was already that, but his claim of self-defence was consistent with my opinion of him.

 

[Hodgepodge]

When he's at risks of losing points, he absolutely had the right to **** the player's code right off.

I'm glad we put a price on his 'code'. About 90 points.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Good decision. Can't help but laugh at some of the more overwrought Hawks fans dummy spits in this thread.

If you accept that we make the head sacrosanct because of the damage that can be done, even just through negligence regardless of any intention to seriously hurt, then someone's throat has to be equally if not more so off limits. Pinning someone on the ground and putting weight on their throat would have to be one of the most dangerous things you could do on a footy field.

Lake - the moron - got his fair whack and he can consider himself extremely lucky he didn't seriously hurt Petrie.

The only thing Petrie did wrong was try to play it down in the media.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

It didn't help having someone like Doc Larkins write, 'He could have died!".

I haven't seen what Larkins wrote/said about it - and, although your quote shows a bit of hyperbole - you realise what he said is very much an accurate statement.
Any injury to the larynx is potentially life-threatening... I don't think people here realise how serious this could have been.

 

[hench]

Watching it again, it kinda looks like Petrie pretends to be dead.

***scratching..clawing...scratching...clawing...oh now my hands go limp***

 

[didaksrightfoot]

Inconclusive in terms of the pressure applied. A lot of it rested on Petrie's testimony, so he has basically ratted out other AFL players, which is what you'd expect from him.

Weren't Petries/Norths statements in Lake's benefit? - saying that he could still breathe and there was no injury sustained.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Weren't Petries/Norths statements in Lake's benefit? - saying that he could still breathe and there was no injury sustained.

Claiming self-defence wouldn't be in his benefit, no. North supporters have already admitted that he went against the code to save himself a few points.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Good decision. Can't help but laugh at some of the more overwrought Hawks fans dummy spits in this thread.

If you accept that we make the head sacrosanct because of the damage that can be done, even just through negligence regardless of any intention to seriously hurt, then someone's throat has to be equally if not more so off limits. Pinning someone on the ground and putting weight on their throat would have to be one of the most dangerous things you could do on a footy field.

Lake - the moron - got his fair whack and he can consider himself extremely lucky he didn't seriously hurt Petrie.

The only thing Petrie did wrong was try to play it down in the media.

Don't worry mate i know you and your team are very well versed with choking. I see the reasons behind your stance

 

[didaksrightfoot]

Claiming self-defence wouldn't be in his benefit, no. North supporters have already admitted that he went against the code to save himself a few points.

That's ridiculous... what else would you expect Petrie to say?

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Watching it again, it kinda looks like Petrie pretends to be dead.

***scratching..clawing...scratching...clawing...oh now my hands go limp***

As he said, I think the intention was that he was dropping his arms to show that he wasn't going to continue wrestling, hoping that would prompt Lake to realize it was over and relinquish his grip as well.