Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009 (#1)

[pod17]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Exactly TBD. He is not a goal kicker at all. If we were chasing a player similar to Buchanan I would of thought McGlynn from the Hawks would be a better option. We have been smashed on this one.

 

[Chasing the Dream]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

The notion of "trade week" seems to have gone out the window if all of these trades have been completed before the week starts.

I know it goes on, but 2009 seems to be a free for all in discussions before trade week has even started

 

[Hollow Knight]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

We have our 1st, 4th and 5th round picks to use in draft (must draft three players).

We don't have to draft 3 players.

Hanley being elevated means we only have to draft 2.

 

[Lions1024]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

I'm willing to give both players a go. Need a new start. We would've been losers to keep Razzle if he no longer wanted to be at the club. Need full commitment, it's like Gibson and the Roos. Buchanan can help with the small forward role - I think that's why the Lions are wanting to get rid of Hooper.

Problem is Buchanon is a shocking small forward, worse then Hooper. Buchanan is a okay midfield extractor who would struggle to make our 22. I'm resigned to the fact that this is a bad trade (Shocking tbh), hopefully Voss can learn from it. Staker won't add anything, just another bandwagon player( Just what we wanted) who plays 1 good game a year. Im fuming, this is seriously one of the worst trades we've ever done.

 

[CoZi36]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Lets give them a go, rate the trade in the split round next year.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Essendon got Brent Prismall for pick 39 last year.

St Kilda got Adam Schneider (3 times the player Buchanan is) for pick 26 in 2007.

Giving 28 for Amon Buchanan is just ****ing embarrassing.

I feel like going onto Bay13 and trolling Brisbane.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Not quite sure why everyone's convinced this deal is done. Wouldn't be the first time a network has gone off half-cocked.

That said, I still think everyone is massively overrating Dalziell. If the deal was reversed everyone would be labelling him as a one-way runner who gets found out defensively.

Gee, the sky falls a lot around here...

 

[Hollow Knight]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Not quite sure why everyone's convinced this deal is done. Wouldn't be the first time a network has gone off half-cocked.

That said, I still think everyone is massively overrating Dalziell. If the deal was reversed everyone would be labelling him as a one-way runner who gets found out defensively.

Gee, the sky falls a lot around here...

People seem more pissed off about Buchanan <--> Pick 28 Belgian.

 

[Cousin Jed]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Is there a reason Buchanan didn't play the 2nd half of the year?

He had a knee injury, eventually leading to surgery after about rd 17 Jed.

 

[loyallion]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Ok am I missing something? Why is Brisbane so keen on getting Staker for? TBH I don't think we need him. I wouldn't mind A Lovett I reckon he is an ok player One trade that Ive heard that is apparently going to happen is Amon Buccannon ok why the **** is Brisbane keen on him??? hes a bloody hack he was dropped for the 2nd half of this year for the Swans. Silly move if this info is true

I really hope Brisbane hold on to our Draft picks we are gonna need them I dont want them throwing them away and picking up other clubs duds.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Ok am I missing something? Why is Brisbane so keen on getting Staker for?

I think you've missed the 3 week long dicussion about Staker.

 

[Lions1024]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Not quite sure why everyone's convinced this deal is done. Wouldn't be the first time a network has gone off half-cocked.

That said, I still think everyone is massively overrating Dalziell. If the deal was reversed everyone would be labelling him as a one-way runner who gets found out defensively.

Gee, the sky falls a lot around here...

Channel 7 in Perth is usually the most media reliable source going around concerning West Coast and Fremantle. They are usually correct. It's a done deal as far as im concerned.

Its hard finding players who can run all day and gather 30 disposal at will, there pretty rare you know.

Trade Week is going to turn out to be a farce. Voss is overpaying everyone atm. Raines for 44, Buchanan for 28(Kill me now), Dalzeill for Staker. What's next Lovett for pick 12 + Rischa + MacDonald?

It's a shockign deal and effectively were getting Buchanan for pick 28....... Will go down as one of the worst deals ever, we could of gotten Kennedy or McGlynn FFS!!!!

 

[CAS79]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Why is this even being announced as a three-way trade?

Its three separate and direct trades in reality. Nothing three-way about it.

Staker to Brisbane straight swap for Dalziell.

Seaby to Sydney in exchange for pick 22.

Buchanan to Brisbane in exchange for 28.

Does anyone think Buchanan is worth 28? We've overpaid there. If we don't get West Coast's pick 38 out of this we've been r*ped!

When I saw the West Coast boys bring this up on our board I thought there is no way Brisbane fans would like this, didnt think I was wrong... West Coast walk away huge winners from this we lose but pick up a ruck when were short but you guys, wow you get two depth players at best.

 

[loyallion]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

I wont mind if we get Raines could be handy for us. As for Hadley, Sorry not interested, He already had 2 or is it 3 Knee recos? and he is 27 next year He didnt really prove anything with Carlton either. TBH I feel he is a liability hes only one bad knee injury (another one) away from retirement I hope we dont pick him up

 

[Hollow Knight]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

I am convinced there has to be more to this trade.

This isn't just angsty emotional Brisbane supporter without perspective saying we got dudded.

We SERIOUSLY got dudded.

There has to be a pick coming our way as part of that deal. Has to be.

 

[Stocka]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Does anyone think Buchanan is worth 28? We've overpaid there.

I like Buchanan but I reckon 28 is probably a bit much. On that basis I'd expect a decent return for J.MacDonald, but feel that it's unlikely that we'll get one.

 

[grimlock]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Is there a reason Buchanan didn't play the 2nd half of the year?

Dropped initially for form reasons, then hurt himself in the warmup at Manuka when he was recalled.

 

[pod17]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

I am convinced there has to be more to this trade.

This isn't just angsty emotional Brisbane supporter without perspective saying we got dudded.

We SERIOUSLY got dudded.

There has to be a pick coming our way as part of that deal. Has to be.

Exactly. Surely it has to be a mistake. If we all think it is a terrible terrible trade I'm sure that the Brisbane footy club would too. Surely. Buchanan is 27 turning 28 next year. Is not in our best 22 by a long way.

 

[Lions1024]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

I am convinced there has to be more to this trade.

This isn't just angsty emotional Brisbane supporter without perspective saying we got dudded.

We SERIOUSLY got dudded.

There has to be a pick coming our way as part of that deal. Has to be.

Sydney's Third Round pick? We still get r*ped......... unless they add White as a sweetener.

 

[loyallion]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

I really do hate this time of the year, So many rumours etc etc and most of the times its just that rumours.

 

[Secular Bicep]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

I was in Doncaster today and bumped into Hadley. Had a bit of a chat to him to see how he was going and what have you.

He mentioned that Voss has contacted him two weeks ago about a possible move to Brisbane. He told me he wouldn't mind moving back to North, but it seems unlikely due to Carlton asking too much for him. They were asking for Pick 28 which seems we have now used to secure Buchanan.

However, now that we have MacDonald and Hooper linked to potential moves to Melbourne, this may have taken a new twist and it might be a player swap for Hadley.

One of them to Essendon for Lovett.
One of them to Carlton for Hadley or a potential three-way.

If this Buchanan deal is true, I see the following players at Brisbane next year.

Staker
Buchanan
Lovett
Hadley

Out:

MacDonald
Dalziel
Hooper

Nothing wrong with that if it plays out like that.

 

[irel]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

That said, I still think everyone is massively overrating Dalziell. If the deal was reversed everyone would be labelling him as a one-way runner who gets found out defensively.

Gee, the sky falls a lot around here...

How quickly people forget and the group think emerges. 15 game player with the highest average disposals for that amount of game in the history of the AFL an elite running tank, reasonable disposal by foot, his handball in close needs improvement... yeah he's overrated.

In his 15 games 3 games of over 30 touches, 5 games of between 25 and 29 touches, 3 games of between 20 and 24 touches.
Only 4 games where he had less than 20 touches coming back after a knee injury. Please find me another player who knows how to find it as often as Dalziell does? It takes a player of exceptional ability to read the play well enough to keep getting to the ball.

A direct comparison with Staker. Watch Round 1 game Vs West Coast this season and watch the 4th quarter where Dalziell's direct opponent was Staker. Dalziell was a big factor in Brisbane running over the West Coast in the 4th quarter. Dalziell had 28 disp @ 75%, 10 marks, 4 Inside 50s, 3 tackles, compared to Stakers 12 disp @ 58%, 1 mark, 2 tackles.

Quote from 2008 End of season club review:

"Dalziell’s strength is his amazing aerobic capacity combined with the knowledge of where to run. He continually works to provide his team mates with an option and he likes to run with the ball when he can. His kicking is fairly reliable but his hand balling is a bit weak."

Bellow are his stats for the fifteen games. If you didn't know they are Dalziells you would surely mistake them for Ablett's or Haye's or any other elite footballer.

2008 - overall disp eff of 79%
32 @ 88% eff (on debut vs WCE, 7 contested, 3 clearances, 5 tackles, 19 handball receives - ie our gameplan, 5 I50, 2 GA)
18 (8 contested, 5 tackles)
34 (8M, 6 I50)
17
27 (10M, 4I50, 2GA, 1G)
32 (13 contested)
25 (8 marks)
2009 - overall disp. eff 69%
28 (10 marks, 3 tackles, 4 I50)
21
26 (5 Tackles, 10 contested)
28 (2G, 8M, 3 tackles)
11 (injured knee early in game - 11 rounds off)

Then late this year after injury, with fitness understandably effected, having done his knee, had 3 games in a row of
22 (6 marks, 6 tackles, 2 GA)
16
20


I don't understand how Dalziell all of a sudden become a tradeable hack a spud who kicks the ball out of bounds every time and never gets near the ball by the sounds of some of you.

In conclusion - Dalziels first six games produced the most disposals ever achieved in the history of stats in AFL. This is an ELITE footballer that just got traded for a spud.

 

[Stocka]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

If we all think it is a terrible terrible trade I'm sure that the Brisbane footy club would too. Surely.

If the club thought it was a bad trade then why would they make it?

Is not in our best 22 by a long way.

I think that is a bit of a stretch. It's not as if we have a solid 22 who get selected every week. I think Buchanan is a better player than Stiller, Selwood, Harding, Sheldon and Hooper. I would rate Buchanan about the same as Rischitelli. Having said that, no doubt there will be some people who can't help themselves and accuse me of living in 2005.

Personally I think it's less likely that Staker will get a run. I could be wrong. Maybe he'll be a good player in the midfield. But, I somehow doubt it. I'll be spewing if we play him with the view of him being a "project player", persisting with sub-par performances in the hope that one day he'll make it.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Bleh.

 

[Warwick]

Re: Brisbane Lions Trade Talk Thread 2009

Staker
Buchanan
Lovett
Hadley

Out:

MacDonald
Dalziel
Hooper

Nothing wrong with that if it plays out like that.

Except for the whole losing Dalziell and MacDonald part and the getting the Staker, Buchanan, and Hadley section.

Attrocious trade. Amon Buchanan??? You have to be kidding me. Losing pick 28 in the process!!! What are you thinking Vossy.

He is really starting to worry me at the trade table.