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Summer #Brisbane2032 - Brisbane announced as host of the 2032 Olympics!
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The plan was to use Raymond public park, three blocks away
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Even with that small space they are gonna have to spend a lot of money building change-rooms. showers. facilities (inc media). security, transport areas - as well as a track they will likely rip up a few months later.
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The current alternative is to do some renovations to QSAC which is already a permanent athletics stadium and already has a full-size warm-up track right next door.
That won't cost $2billion though some Brisbanites might boo-hoo cos they have to travel via public transport for 30 minutes or so and it doesn't result in a free brand-new stadium for their footy or cricket team.
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“Some renovations”
So you’re against the option that actually has some long term benefits to more people beyond the games
Imagine if Melbourne renovated Olympic Park instead of the MCG in 2006
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Olympic Park was built in the 50s as a warm-up track for the MCG. And was the warm-up track for the 2006 Commonwealth Games too.
Then Eddie McGuire got himself a seat or two on the Athletics Australia board 15 or so years back and stole it for Collingwood...
Ah, I see now. I was wondering why you seemed to be struggling with weak arguments, invented issues, and denying projected costings, but I thought there must be something substantial behind your position. But you're just goalseeking an outcome.
Thanks for letting me know tho, and saving some time.
probably the worst take ive ever read, QSAC would cost 1.5bill at least to do, the entire venue basically has to be done and the arrangement is to then remove most of it after
Additionally I went to the olympics in Paris, the athletics has 2 sessions how on earth are you going to transport everyone to and from qsac and where does that money come from, further to that brisbane needs a shiny "free brand new stadium"
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Alas the election is being held neither party has made a commitment.
Terribly disappointing having the Olympic Stadium at the old stadium Commonwealth Games site will be a logistical nightmare not to mention an embarrassment.
Terribly disappointing having the Olympic Stadium at the old stadium Commonwealth Games site will be a logistical nightmare not to mention an embarrassment.
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It’s election suicide if you even remotely comment on this will be done after the election
If the lnp get up (which will probably happen) qsac won’t go ahead
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Thus the end of that shit stain of a plan, may it burn in the rubbish heap where it belongs.
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David Crisafulli to be sworn in as Queensland Premier after election win
David Crisafulli and his deputy will be sworn in as the heads of Queensland’s first LNP government in a decade, as the clock starts ticking on a lofty list of promises to be met within 100 days. SEE THE FULL LIST.....
And the 100 day countdown timer on a long list of ambitious promises — including new youth crime laws by Christmas and a review of Olympic Games infrastructure — will begin ticking over once the full LNP cabinet is sworn in as early as the middle of the week.
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CRISAFULLI'S ACTION PLAN
Here’s what leader David Crisafulli and the LNP have promised to deliver in the first 100 daysFIRST WEEK
INSTRUCT the Department of Justice and Attorney-General to start drafting the Making Queensland Safer laws
MEET with the police commissioner to outline additional support needed to address the youth crime crisis
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FIRST MONTH
CONFIRM clear goals and performance indicators so ministers and directors-general can be held to account
DIRECT Queensland Health to prepare for the publication of transparent real-time hospital data
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APPOINT an independent infrastructure co-ordination authority to map out needs for the 2032 Games
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AFL and cricket to push for new stadium at Victoria Park
One Olympic stadium idea is dead but another is about to roar to life on the whims of Queensland’s new Premier. But, writes Robert Craddock, the final call could well be the most significant of David Crisafulli’s entire term at the top.Robert Craddock
October 28, 2024 - 9:17AM
The Brisbane Olympics’ most controversial plan is dead but Queensland’s new government now faces a massive push to build a stadium it doesn’t want. The departing Labor government’s much derided pledge to take the Olympics to the suburbs and make the QSAC venue at Nathan – up past Petbarn and Baby Bunting if you haven’t been there – the main Stadium has died a natural death with the change of government.
But, far from settling the issue, the LNP election victory is merely the starting gun for a fresh argument of a more spirited nature with a major push looming to build a new stadium at Victoria Park.
The Brisbane Lions and Queensland cricket officials are in unison that Queensland needs a freshly built super stadium or face the bewildering prospect of being left behind in the interstate stadium wars even though the city is hosting the Olympics.
Crisafulli, who on Sunday confirmed his long promised 100-day review into the stadium issue, has ruled out QSAC and said previously he would not support a new stadium.
This leaves a renovated Gabba as the most likely call but neither cricket nor the AFL, who currently call the Gabba home, want this option with Test cricket legend Allan Border speaking out recently and calling for the Gabba to be knocked down.
The two sports strongly favour a new stadium at Victoria Park and organisers of the 100-day review are likely to get strong feedback saying as much.
The premiership winning Lions are costing themselves fans at the Gabba where most home games are sold out.
They crave a bigger venue and would wallow in a 60,000 seat stadium at Victoria Park.
Cricket officials are worried the Gabba has slipped to being the number five Test venue in Australia and in order to become a serious rival to fabulous stadiums in Adelaide and Perth, Brisbane needs a new venue.
Two separate investigations have branded the Gabba a stadium in decay with a limited lifespan that would make it unsuitable to host major sporting events by the time of the Olympics.
This leaves the Queensland government in a tricky spot because no matter what the Gabba’s long term fate it is likely to host cricket at the Olympics.
Even to do that the venue would require some fresh renovation but how much lipstick do you put on a pig?
Olympic great Raelene Boyle, who supports the Victoria Park project, said recently that Brisbane was starting to look “stupid’’ in the eyes of the world because of its stadium stutters.
The success or failure of the Olympics will define Brisbane’s reputation forever in the eyes of the world. If the stadium call fails, so does the Games.
But the plan is to completely rebuild the GABBA, not just renovate it. But of course the tenants would not support it due to being inconvenienced for a few years compared to staying put then moving to a new stadium.
All these arguments are mostly irrelevant if you rebuild the entire stadium. The government is also currently building a world class rail network thst connects the gabba with the rest of the city. What a waste that would be if they tear the gabba down.
Victoria park is too hard to get too.
Yeah having a stadium within walking distance of the CBD is just right.
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Yesterday new Qld deputy premier Jarrod Bleijie released an initial report into some stadium upgrade costings.
Don't know when the original costings were done, or if they have been updated over time, but if they were 2021 figures, then its no surprise they have gone up by a decent amount. There will be plenty more of this type of stuff to come.
Queensland’s Olympic and Paralympic Games venues are almost $200m over budget before a builder has been selected to start construction.
The cost of three minor venues – Chandler Indoor Sport Centre, Sunshine Coast Indoor Sport Centre and Sunshine Coast Stadium have blown out by $181m in less than one year.
Building the Sunshine Coast Indoor Sport Centre will cost at least $214m, a 50 per cent increase on the $142m budgeted.
The cost for Chandler has risen $61m to $275m while the stadium has jumped $48m to $196m.
Sunshine Coast Stadium and, separately, Indoor Sports Centre were delayed before the state election because the cost of building the projects has already exceeded the budgeted cost.
“We are going to be transparent and open with Queenslanders and we’re going to keep releasing these updated figures so Queenslanders can know what they would have got if the Labor Party was re-elected,” Deputy Premier Jarrod Bleijie said.
“They should have been released before the election, but Steven Miles and Cameron Dick took a lie upon a lie and refused to release these details to Queenslanders.
“I asked one question to my department, what was the figures, and then a second question how much are they now?
“I was able to get it within 24 hours.”
Labor has been contacted for comment.
The federal government will provide a “capped contribution” of some $3.5bn for the Games, including $2.5bn to build Brisbane Arena and $935m for minor venues.
The funding agreement was struck in February 2023 between Anthony Albanese and Annastacia Palaszczuk.
However, the cost blowout in the minor venues program – and expected increase in the cost of Brisbane Arena – has prompted Mr Bleijie to ask the Commonwealth to review the near-two-year-old funding agreement.
Federal Infrastructure Minister Catherine King has refused to provide a cent more than $3.5bn, leaving Queensland taxpayers on the hook to pick up the tab.
The deputy premier this week warned the Commonwealth its funding agreement would form part of its 100-day infrastructure review.
It prompted Ms King to issue a letter to Mr Bleijie, seen by The Courier-Mail, to warn against it.
“It is the Commonwealth’s expectation that this agreement continues,” she wrote.
Premier David Crisafulli on Wednesday did not detail the anticipated terms of reference for the review, but again promised Queenslanders would no longer suffer “embarrassment” at the Games.
“We’ve got time to do this properly and we’ve got time to get the show back on the road,” he said.
“Within 100 days you’re going to see a plan for generational infrastructure.”
Don't know when the original costings were done, or if they have been updated over time, but if they were 2021 figures, then its no surprise they have gone up by a decent amount. There will be plenty more of this type of stuff to come.
Olympic venues blowout by $181m before a builder is chosen
The new LNP government has fired a shot at the former Labor government after revelations its Olympic venues had blown out by $181m before a builder has been selected to start construction.Queensland’s Olympic and Paralympic Games venues are almost $200m over budget before a builder has been selected to start construction.
The cost of three minor venues – Chandler Indoor Sport Centre, Sunshine Coast Indoor Sport Centre and Sunshine Coast Stadium have blown out by $181m in less than one year.
Building the Sunshine Coast Indoor Sport Centre will cost at least $214m, a 50 per cent increase on the $142m budgeted.
The cost for Chandler has risen $61m to $275m while the stadium has jumped $48m to $196m.
Sunshine Coast Stadium and, separately, Indoor Sports Centre were delayed before the state election because the cost of building the projects has already exceeded the budgeted cost.
“We are going to be transparent and open with Queenslanders and we’re going to keep releasing these updated figures so Queenslanders can know what they would have got if the Labor Party was re-elected,” Deputy Premier Jarrod Bleijie said.
“They should have been released before the election, but Steven Miles and Cameron Dick took a lie upon a lie and refused to release these details to Queenslanders.
“I asked one question to my department, what was the figures, and then a second question how much are they now?
“I was able to get it within 24 hours.”
Labor has been contacted for comment.
The federal government will provide a “capped contribution” of some $3.5bn for the Games, including $2.5bn to build Brisbane Arena and $935m for minor venues.
The funding agreement was struck in February 2023 between Anthony Albanese and Annastacia Palaszczuk.
However, the cost blowout in the minor venues program – and expected increase in the cost of Brisbane Arena – has prompted Mr Bleijie to ask the Commonwealth to review the near-two-year-old funding agreement.
Federal Infrastructure Minister Catherine King has refused to provide a cent more than $3.5bn, leaving Queensland taxpayers on the hook to pick up the tab.
The deputy premier this week warned the Commonwealth its funding agreement would form part of its 100-day infrastructure review.
It prompted Ms King to issue a letter to Mr Bleijie, seen by The Courier-Mail, to warn against it.
“It is the Commonwealth’s expectation that this agreement continues,” she wrote.
Premier David Crisafulli on Wednesday did not detail the anticipated terms of reference for the review, but again promised Queenslanders would no longer suffer “embarrassment” at the Games.
“We’ve got time to do this properly and we’ve got time to get the show back on the road,” he said.
“Within 100 days you’re going to see a plan for generational infrastructure.”
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This bit of an article in The Age explains what/when the costings before the current blow out, were made.
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For the outdoor stadium, however, this is said to have been delayed after then-minister Grace Grace was informally warned of a cost increase, which she asked her department to seek a better deal on.
It is not unusual for responses to tenders for such work to result in cost estimates from construction firms different to what was anticipated in planning – or for these to then change during work.
But the LNP campaigned on a promise to ensure such projects were done on time and on budget, and will now have to deal with any such changes in cost overruns itself as the government.
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Brisbane Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner has this week upped pressure on the new LNP government to open the 100-day review up to considering a new stadium in the capital.
The news
Queensland’s new LNP government says it has found $181 million in cost overruns on three of the 10 minor 2032 Games venues alone, as it prepares to review plans and funding arrangements.......
Why it matters
The projects in question were all subject to detailed reviews, known as project validation reports, with tender applications opened to the market earlier in the year.For the outdoor stadium, however, this is said to have been delayed after then-minister Grace Grace was informally warned of a cost increase, which she asked her department to seek a better deal on.
It is not unusual for responses to tenders for such work to result in cost estimates from construction firms different to what was anticipated in planning – or for these to then change during work.
But the LNP campaigned on a promise to ensure such projects were done on time and on budget, and will now have to deal with any such changes in cost overruns itself as the government.
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Brisbane Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner has this week upped pressure on the new LNP government to open the 100-day review up to considering a new stadium in the capital.
