Summer #Brisbane2032 - Brisbane announced as host of the 2032 Olympics!

[Jeremias]

 

[catstorm]

Well thank **** for that.

 

[juice t]

They wont be playing tennis in Melbounre last week of July and first week of August. Too much rain and too cold.

They will upgrade Pat Rafter Centre. It was built to host male and female tournaments with 64 players not 128.

Classic case of Tennis Australia trying to needle people to get funding

It'd be as miserable conditions as that tournament in Munich in mid-April

 

[Underarm]

They wont be playing tennis in Melbounre last week of July and first week of August. Too much rain and too cold.

They will upgrade Pat Rafter Centre. It was built to host male and female tournaments with 64 players not 128.

They do have 3 courts with rooves on them....

But yeah that was just a money grab. This is the time to put your hand out and beg.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

They do have 3 courts with rooves on them....

But yeah that was just a money grab. This is the time to put your hand out and beg.

Thats nice but you need more that 3 courts to process all those games in 14 or 15 days.

 

[Underarm]

Thats nice but you need more that 3 courts to process all those games in 14 or 15 days.

You could, just. 1st round would take 4 days, but once you get to the 3rd round you can fit them all in 1 day.

And we do have some dry days in Melbourne in winter.

 

[Royces Hart]

Thats nice but you need more that 3 courts to process all those games in 14 or 15 days.

The news up here reported that for the Olympics, you only need three courts, of at least 15k, 10k and 5k capacity.

No idea how accurate that is.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The news up here reported that for the Olympics, you only need three courts, of at least 15k, 10k and 5k capacity.

No idea how accurate that is.

Roland Garos has that for its 3 main courts but Tokyo didn't have 3 like that. Their main court had 10,000. Would go against the smaller venues edict from IOC to force Brisbane to have tennis venues bigger than Tokyo.

Begs the question, what was in Brisbane's bid book, and if it was what Pat Rafter Arena has now, why was it approved?

 

[Royces Hart]

Roland Garos has that for its 3 main courts but Tokyo didn't have 3 like that. Their main court had 10,000. Would go against the smaller venues edict from IOC to force Brisbane to have tennis venues bigger than Tokyo.

Begs the question, what was in Brisbane's bid book, and if it was what Pat Rafter Arena has now, why was it approved?

Yeah it’s a weird one. And Brisbane doesn’t need three show courts like that long term, so you’d hope it’s not the case.

 

[AdelaideGT]

If they were going to move the tennis to another city, why not Sydney which has a facility which already successfully hosted an Olympic event at a similar time of the year to the Brisbane Games?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

If they were going to move the tennis to another city, why not Sydney which has a facility which already successfully hosted an Olympic event at a similar time of the year to the Brisbane Games?

Whilst similar, the 6 weeks difference in timing between when Sydney started mid September and Brisbane ends around 8th August, the difference is important because mid to late September to early October is the driest period in Sydney and in Brisbane July is the driest month and the rains dont start until late August.

Sending the tennis to Sydney will have the same raim issues as Melbourne. Its just not as cold.

 

[AdelaideGT]

Sending the tennis to Sydney will have the same raim issues as Melbourne. Its just not as cold.

So then, it's a better option - yes?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So then, it's a better option - yes?

Marginally but not by much.

 

[AdelaideGT]

Anyway, sounds like tennis away from Brisbane is a moot point...

Brisbane Live Arena set to be axed, new swimming centre to be built for 2032 Olympics

www.9news.com.au

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Read this the other day from a sports stadium expert who had an input into the review and would know most of the people involved in making serious submissions. From bottom of the article

Dr Alan Patching was the owners’ Project Director for the design and construction of the Sydney Olympic Stadium and for the redevelopment of Suncorp Stadium. He is a Professor of Construction Management at Bond University.

A 100-hour review of the 100-day review

The review of Brisbane Olympic infrastructure has been handed to the Queensland Government and will soon be made public. Stadiums expert Professor Alan Patching breaks down the likely findings.

bond.edu.au

by Professor Alan Patching

After 100 hours of research and discussions with industry experts, I’ve concluded what the 100-day review into Brisbane Olympic infrastructure is likely to recommend.

The experts’ report (and they are unquestionably among the best in their fields) will attract the customary community debate and criticism. That’s a good thing – but the armchair experts should have submitted their opinions when given the opportunity. We cannot afford to delay progress towards the Games any longer.

The panel’s terms of reference were succinct but potentially difficult to fully achieve, having to balance long-term benefits against budget limitations. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when government representatives presumably met with the panel to discuss the earlier draft report!

So what is the experts’ report likely to say?

They surely would have begun with the fact Brisbane is soon to have one of the world’s best inner city transport systems, with the Cross River Rail and new or upgraded stations at Woolloongabba, Roma Street and Exhibition.

That would have been central to the panel’s major venue location recommendations, simply because the necessary transport integration will largely already be in place.

That’s gold for any Olympics city, and why would we wait until the Games to chase gold?

The panel is likely to have concluded:

• The Gabba is not a realistic stadium for the Games or beyond, and it would cost a bomb to make it viable.
• Part of the cost would be compensation for loss of revenue to cricket and AFL – putting substantial pressure on an already limited budget.
• Brisbane needs a stadium to hold 60-65,000 people to service AFL, cricket and major concerts well beyond the Games as the population of Southeast Queensland doubles. The former Labor government’s plan to upgrade QSAC at Nathan, with a 40-50,000 capacity, is insufficient for a memorable Games.
• The Gabba site is too small to achieve 60,000 seats, and the panel will reject the risk of constructing it in one of the busiest traffic areas in the city.
• An 80,000 capacity or larger stadium is NOT warranted for Brisbane. The additional seats above 60-65,000 are the most expensive to build, and they sell for the cheapest prices.
• The connectivity between the city centre and Woolloongabba, Roma Street and Exhibition stations, and the quality of those new stations, present compelling opportunities.
• The refurbished stadium at Nathan (proposed by former premier Steven Miles) was never a serious option. It ticks none of the transport integration boxes and wastes cash on a second-rate venue.
• The new Kangaroo Point Bridge for pedestrians and cyclists really needs to have a Games-related function.
• Swimming is the standout sport of an Australian Olympics, with the potential to attract massive crowds. That makes a temporary pool within Suncorp Stadium a real option – especially considering Queensland boasts some of the world’s top sports venue architects who would ensure it did not come across as a slapdash solution.
• On the other hand, the Paris Games set a new benchmark with a roofed pool venue that transformed the swimming into an experience akin to a rock concert, complete with giant video displays and music. We can’t afford to go backwards from that, making an arena-based pool experience a likely consideration.
• Venue decisions should be largely based around integration with Brisbane’s new and world-class metro and heavy rail system.
• The main stadium should be in Victoria Park, and the Gabba probably maintained but demolished after AFL and cricket move to the new venue. Part of the Gabba site can be utilised as green space to compensate for the new venue at Victoria Park.
• Consider relocating the athletes’ village, currently planned for Hamilton and intended to be converted into low-cost housing after the Games, to a location with access to major transport corridors – a huge benefit to the long-term residents.
• The best location for a new arena will be near the Gabba.
• The arena should be strongly considered for swimming events, although it is acknowledged that appealing alternatives exist, and the arena can be used for multiple other purposes.

The above is likely to lead to the following recommendations:

Now to the elephant in the room – the cost.

The new Optus Stadium in Perth was delivered under a modern design, build and facilities management arrangement.

The panel will undoubtedly recommend at least investigating various forms of public-private partnerships for the delivery of the main Olympic stadium.

Queensland is currently committed to paying about $3.6 billion of the $7.1 billion cost of Games infrastructure. Let’s presume that’s already in budgets and funded. But what if to deliver the best possible venues outcome for both the Games and the future of Brisbane cost $5 billion, not $3.6 billion - an additional and unfunded $1.4bn.

Spread over five years, that would cost $280 million per year – a tad over 0.3 percent of the annual state budget. I imagine the panel would have considered such a possibility.

Of course, given we found out in 2021 we were getting the Games, it would have made sense to address broader transport connectivity in SEQ, such as faster rail between Brisbane and the Gold and Sunshine coasts.

I suspect that train has left the station, both time and budget-wise, at least in terms of having these completed by the Games.

However, I have complete confidence if we listen to the experts on the Games infrastructure panel, and act on their recommendations, we can still put on a world-class event that Queensland and Australia can be proud of.

 

[AdelaideGT]

Looks like - despite what the Premier said before/during the election - Brisbane will be having a new main stadium built.

Live: New Brisbane stadium to be built for 2032 Olympics

A new stadium will be built at Brisbane's Victoria Park for the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

www.abc.net.au

Let's hope the trucks and workmen arrive and start digging tomorrow morning... No more time to waste.

 

[pepsi]

Looks like - despite what the Premier said before/during the election - Brisbane will be having a new main stadium built.

Live: New Brisbane stadium to be built for 2032 Olympics

A new stadium will be built at Brisbane's Victoria Park for the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

www.abc.net.au

Let's hope the trucks and workmen arrive and start digging tomorrow morning... No more time to waste.

Sanity prevails and a showpiece athletics/ceremony stadium and swimming venue will be built. It is a worldclass showpiece event that needs these kind of venues for it.

Thankfully it has finally been decided.

They need to move quick now!

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Looks like - despite what the Premier said before/during the election - Brisbane will be having a new main stadium built.

Live: New Brisbane stadium to be built for 2032 Olympics

A new stadium will be built at Brisbane's Victoria Park for the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

www.abc.net.au

Let's hope the trucks and workmen arrive and start digging tomorrow morning... No more time to waste.

There wont be trucks and workmen for 18 months at Victoria Park. People have to start the design process first.

 

[AdelaideGT]

I wonder if the report has said where the athletics warm-up track/facility will be...

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I wonder if the report has said where the athletics warm-up track/facility will be...

When Victoria Park was first suggested by the Archipelago group a couple of years ago, there was a warm up track next to the main stadium, within a couple of hundred metres. Will have to dig around to see if both stadium and warm up track will basically on the same location within the park as they had in that proposal.

 

[FreoRicci]

Gabba renovation long term was never feasible. Time for change and the Olympics is a great excuse to do so.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So Brisbane get a new 63,000 seat stadium, but only seats 60,000 during Olympic Games Mode.

I wonder if most of those "3,000 lost seats" are because of the accredited media taking out a decent chunk of seats near the finish line, like at all Olympics, or there is other stuff like the cauldron and activation items that take away 3,000 seats from everybody, including the media?

 

[AdelaideGT]

Media these days (or 80% of them) don't even need to be in the stadium anymore.

Commentators, Interviewers and some journalists - yes.

But most of their assistants/directors can be in some caravan/trailer in the car park or even further away.

More likely to be something to do with the torch I'd think. A big brown Olympic snake running down amongst some stadium seats.

 

[Royces Hart]

So Brisbane get a new 63,000 seat stadium, but only seats 60,000 during Olympic Games Mode.

I wonder if most of those "3,000 lost seats" are because of the accredited media taking out a decent chunk of seats near the finish line, like at all Olympics, or there is other stuff like the cauldron and activation items that take away 3,000 seats from everybody, including the media?

3,000 seats for AFL officials.

 

[eddiesmith]

So Brisbane get a new 63,000 seat stadium, but only seats 60,000 during Olympic Games Mode.

I wonder if most of those "3,000 lost seats" are because of the accredited media taking out a decent chunk of seats near the finish line, like at all Olympics, or there is other stuff like the cauldron and activation items that take away 3,000 seats from everybody, including the media?

The MCG lost seats for the Comm games as the running track required an area larger than the ground.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The MCG lost seats for the Comm games as the running track required an area larger than the ground.

I doubt they will lay the concrete then dig it up like the MCG. They might lay some new concrete and put in new seats after the Games.