Brisbane's Gabba not to be rebuilt!

[BobbyMorri]

A perfect example as to why taxpayers money shouldn't be used to build sports stadia.
If GB athletics and the Irons wanted a new stadium they should have used their own money to build it, NOT UK TAXPAYERS MONEY.

the Hammers. I know, I know, the irons is not wrong, but it just sounds wrong.

The issue is not so much the Olympics, but not changing the stadium into a more friendly football stadium. They should have fully sold the stadium to West Ham after the Olympics. Instead, they given West Ham a very good rent price and they make a big yearly loss.

The Stadium gets used quite a lot. But it is costly to change it from a football to Track and Field stadium every year, hence the yearly loss incurred by the taxpayer.

 

[Aussie in exile]

the Hammers. I know, I know, the irons is not wrong, but it just sounds wrong.

The issue is not so much the Olympics, but not changing the stadium into a more friendly football stadium. They should have fully sold the stadium to West Ham after the Olympics. Instead, they given West Ham a very good rent price and they make a big yearly loss.

The Stadium gets used quite a lot. But it is costly to change it from a football to Track and Field stadium every year, hence the yearly loss incurred by the taxpayer.

It is a Cricket first and foremost.
Perhaps if the AFL want it to be more football friendly, they should pay for the cost or pay more rental.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

Correct. The problem with the Olympics is it demands enormous infrastructure investments for a two week event. The stadiums - generally built for athletics and swimming - are then white elephants or need to be extensively and expensively modified to have any use to sports that actually pull big crowds regularly.

The London Stadium is a great example. It was always going to have to be a football stadium to garner any financial returns, but it’s a bloody substandard football stadium because it had to be built for athletics.

Case in point

These abandoned Olympic venues look so sad

These once-glorious complexes are not what they used to be

www.cbsnews.com

 

[BobbyMorri]

It is a Cricket first and foremost.
Perhaps if the AFL want it to be more football friendly, they should pay for the cost or pay more rental.

I was talking about the London Stadium

If the Gabba is not to be rebuilt, then whatever new stadium they proposing should have cricket and AFL involved and as full tenants in some way. We are different from the UK, most of our stadiums are gov. built, owned and operated. But any stadium without them is a white elephant.

If that means both codes get friendly rates or contracts, so be it.

I am not a Brisbane resident, so have no idea if the new plans are good or not. but the story of the Adelaide Oval compared to Blundstone or Sydney Olympic Stadium, is that if you want good average crowds, it needs central.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I was talking about the London Stadium

If the Gabba is not to be rebuilt, then whatever new stadium they proposing should have cricket and AFL involved and as full tenants in some way. We are different from the UK, most of our stadiums are gov. built, owned and operated. But any stadium without them is a white elephant.

If that means both codes get friendly rates or contracts, so be it.

I am not a Brisbane resident, so have no idea if the new plans are good or not. but the story of the Adelaide Oval compared to Blundstone or Sydney Olympic Stadium, is that if you want good average crowds, it needs central.

The Gabba is a Cricket ground and i was suggesting that if the AFL want's it to be more football friendly they should part with some cash.
In these austere times sports can't keep relying on taxpayers.
Sports like to boost about their mega TV deals, so perhaps they should use some of that money for infrastructure rebuilds at stadiums.
Just saying

 

[BobbyMorri]

The Gabba is a Cricket ground and i was suggesting that if the AFL want's it to be more football friendly they should part with some cash.
In these austere times sports can't keep relying on taxpayers.
Sports like to boost about their mega TV deals, so perhaps they should use some of that money for infrastructure rebuilds at stadiums.
Just saying

Without the AFL, you don't get the team, the economic benefits etc etc.

It is one of those things. You want a Taylor Shift concert...Well, you gotta have a great stadium. To have a great Stadium, you need someone to play there at a regularly to keep the operating costs down. To intice a someone to play there, you need to offer better than market rates and conditions to attract them. This has the benefits of the above and the Taylor Shift Concert.

Sure, you could force the AFL to pay more, but what is the point. A little extra rent compared to all the above benefits like tourism, game day income and PR...

 

[Aussie in exile]

Without the AFL, you don't get the team, the economic benefits etc etc.

It is one of those things. You want a Taylor Shift concert...Well, you gotta have a great stadium. To have a great Stadium, you need someone to play there at a regularly to keep the operating costs down. To intice a someone to play there, you need to offer better than market rates and conditions to attract them. This has the benefits of the above and the Taylor Shift Concert.

Sure, you could force the AFL to pay more, but what is the point. A little extra rent compared to all the above benefits like tourism, game day income and PR...

What i said was that IF the AFL want a more friendly football stadium they should pay for it.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The Gabba is a Cricket ground and i was suggesting that if the AFL want's it to be more football friendly they should part with some cash.
In these austere times sports can't keep relying on taxpayers.
Sports like to boost about their mega TV deals, so perhaps they should use some of that money for infrastructure rebuilds at stadiums.
Just saying

Interesting the talk about the Gabba and cricket if it doesn’t get rebuilt - it’s the oldest and shittiest major stadium in a capital city now and actually needs a decent upgrade. If it doesn’t get it then Brisbane could face the possibility of losing test cricket - Perth wants an annual test and their stadium is brand new… Melbourne, Sydney and Adelaide are open to hosting two per summer with Melbourne thought to be pushing pretty hard for it, and the new Hobart Stadium will be pretty impressive and will want a test as well. The fed govt will be pushing hard for Hobart as they want to make it as viable as possible, five days of test cricket is a big win.

 

[The 747]

Interesting the talk about the Gabba and cricket if it doesn’t get rebuilt - it’s the oldest and shittiest major stadium in a capital city now and actually needs a decent upgrade. If it doesn’t get it then Brisbane could face the possibility of losing test cricket - Perth wants an annual test and their stadium is brand new… Melbourne, Sydney and Adelaide are open to hosting two per summer with Melbourne thought to be pushing pretty hard for it, and the new Hobart Stadium will be pretty impressive and will want a test as well. The fed govt will be pushing hard for Hobart as they want to make it as viable as possible, five days of test cricket is a big win.

It definitely needs an upgrade, it needed an upgrade a decade ago - which is why they were trying to squeeze it into the Olympics budget.

 

[Aussie in exile]

It definitely needs an upgrade, it needed an upgrade a decade ago - which is why they were trying to squeeze it into the Olympics budget.

in your estimation what financial figure they could be looking at?

 

[The 747]

in your estimation what financial figure they could be looking at?

No idea what these things cost and depends to what extent it is being renovated v rebuilt.

 

[Kappa]

A perfect example as to why taxpayers money shouldn't be used to build sports stadia.
If GB athletics and the Irons wanted a new stadium they should have used their own money to build it, NOT UK TAXPAYERS MONEY.

Bad take. Tax payer money should be used to build stadiums as it’s good for the economy, assuming the stadium is built for an appropriate cost and gets regular use.

 

[Great8]

Perth wants an annual test and their stadium is brand new…

Pity their attendance to tests is absolutely pathetic.

 

[Aussie in exile]

No idea what these things cost and depends to what extent it is being renovated v rebuilt.

If they can't get in done within the Olympic Budget I suggest that CA and the AFL share the costs of a rebuild or renovation, and the Cricket has sole use of the ground from the 1st of October until 31st of march and the other 6 months the AFL.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Bad take. Tax payer money should be used to build stadiums as it’s good for the economy, assuming the stadium is built for an appropriate cost and gets regular use.

No its not good.
Taxpayer money shouldn't be used to finance sports stadia.
With record TV deals sports should be expected to finance their own upgrades and not taxpayers

 

[blueboy25]

Pity their attendance to tests is absolutely pathetic.

Once again Perth cop it about cricket attendances. Perth was the only test of the summer not in the school holidays and certainly no where near a public holiday.

We now get a t20 international on a Tuesday starting at 4pm local time because if it starts any later those over east get a little bit tired staying up to watch it.

So you are basically having to finish work a few hours early to get to optus on time plus if you are taking the kids you need to get them out of school early.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Pity their attendance to tests is absolutely pathetic.

In the big picture I don’t think it really matters. A traditional day test in Perth is 2pm - 9pm in Sydney and Melbourne. It’s brilliant, the broadcasters love it.

Get a decent opponent and scheduling and the crowd will improve anyway, they’re not anti test cricket. They’ve never had huge crowds, it just didn’t stand out at the WACA.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

If not Albion, you could go a few km up the road to Doomben or Eagle Farm.

Flip a coin, they are right next to each other.

 

[kranger]

How big of a political fight would it be to get a new stadium on one of these two locations? They seem big enough to atleast fit a stadium and they are close to PT and central Brisbane.

 

[Cunnington Cartel]

How big of a political fight would it be to get a new stadium on one of these two locations? They seem big enough to atleast fit a stadium and they are close to PT and central Brisbane.
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Victoria Park (the top one) has been suggested heaps of times in this thread. Wouldn’t be totally out of the question. I’m anticipating that a proposal for Roma St Parklands (the bottom one) would result in a huge pushback from many sections of the community. Chris Fagan’s commentary from yesterday about a staged rebuild of the Gabba (so it remains operational throughout construction) seems one of the more likely options to me at this stage.

 

[Aussie in exile]

How big of a political fight would it be to get a new stadium on one of these two locations? They seem big enough to atleast fit a stadium and they are close to PT and central Brisbane.
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Where will the money come from for a new stadium?
There is little money left for a Gabba rebuilt let alone a new stadium.

 

[Macca180]

Where will the money come from for a new stadium?

Taxpayers hopefully.

And your tears will be delicious.

 

[kranger]

Where will the money come from for a new stadium?
There is little money left for a Gabba rebuilt let alone a new stadium.

Where ever they are thinking of the money coming from if they were to build or rebuild a stadium. I’m just suggesting a location.

Ideally a location that will be cheaper than a rebuild of the GABBA, as it doesn’t require the temporary hosting at another venue of the Lions and cricket, and it doesn’t have the complexity of having to build over neighbouring roads.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Where will the money come from for a new stadium?
There is little money left for a Gabba rebuilt let alone a new stadium.

How many stadiums is an AUKUS submarine worth?

 

[Aussie in exile]

How many stadiums is an AUKUS submarine worth?

Different budget