Traded Brodie Grundy [Traded to Melbourne for #27]

[Bay Pie]

Is it possible to keep that Lions forwards name out of this thread?

Makes me sick every time I see his name, knowing where going to pay him the same or more money then we are freeing up with Grundy’s trade.

 

[PieLebo87]

Your age is your age, playing a bruise free style game doesn’t stop you ageing.

Just from the current crop, you’ve got Martin who is 35, Goldstein at 34, Ryder just retired at 34 and McEvoy is 33. Mummy retired recently after playing at 35. It’s not that rare for rucks to play into their 30s. Cox is turning 32 in ‘23, and Pies could potentially get another 3 years out of him after that.

Of course Collingwood aren’t going to come out and say we are trading Grundy because he’s all banged up. Of course they are going to say it’s for other reasons.

Collingwood hasn’t even said he is up for grabs. It’s us/media who are speculating the reasons. The reasons are sound.

You don’t need a great ruckman to win a flag, but what you need are great players and Grundy at his best is that. You don’t let star players leave (and pay part of the contract) to bring in players like Billy Frampton. Collingwood know more and want to get off his contract before it’s too late

Possibly, or possibly not. Only time will tell.

 

[Blackas87]

Just from the current crop, you’ve got Martin who is 35, Goldstein at 34, Ryder just retired at 34 and McEvoy is 33. Mummy retired recently after playing at 35. It’s not that rare for rucks to play into their 30s. Cox is turning 32 in ‘23, and Pies could potentially get another 3 years out of him after that.

Collingwood hasn’t even said he is up for grabs. It’s us/media who are speculating the reasons. The reasons are sound.

Possibly, or possibly not. Only time will tell.

Are any of those players still at their best? I’m not saying Cox is about to retire, But Grundy is a much better player and younger. Where will Cox be in 2025? There are more years left in Grundy than Cox unless something is going to stop Grundy.

Grundy is under contract for 5 year and is having meetings with other clubs. He needs permission from his club to speak with others. Collingwood are letting him find another club.

 

[PieLebo87]

Are any of those players still at their best? I’m not saying Cox is about to retire, But Grundy is a much better player and younger. Where will Cox be in 2025? There are more years left in Grundy than Cox unless something is going to stop Grundy.

Grundy is under contract for 5 year and is having meetings with other clubs. He needs permission from his club to speak with others. Collingwood are letting him find another club.

Why do you keep neglecting to mention Darcy Cameron, who is 27? We’ve also got Aiden Begg who we blooded this year, and he is 19. We’re not exactly short of ruckmen if Grundy leaves. Why’re you so desperate to make Grundy a necessity for Collingwood to keep? It’s just not correct. We have had a season where we’ve gone 13-3 without him and finished top 4. It’s pretty simple man.

 

[Blackas87]

Why do you keep neglecting to mention Darcy Cameron, who is 27? We’ve also got Aiden Begg who we blooded this year, and he is 19. We’re not exactly short of ruckmen if Grundy leaves. Why’re you so desperate to make Grundy a necessity for Collingwood to keep? It’s just not correct. We have had a season where we’ve gone 13-3 without him and finished top 4. It’s pretty simple man.

Of course Cameron is there, but he’s not Grundy quality. Every club has young players, every club has young midfielders, doesn’t mean they’re the next Chris Judd. Grundy as a 2 time All Aus, nearly won a Brownlow. He’s a star. There aren’t many stars in the game, they’re hard to get, why would you let one walk out.

I want Grundy at Melbourne, he’s an F’n star. But understand there is a risk and it’s probably why Collingwood want to get off his 5 year contract. It’s like North taking away Ben Brown’s contract offer, they knew he was shot and while he played a part in Melbourne winning a premiership he looks absolutely gone right now.

Imagine if Collingwood had Grundy this year. Imagine adding an All Aus ruckman into that team. Top 4 this doesn’t mean top 4 next year. When was the last time a club let a player of this calibre walk out under contract? It’s not simple, it doesn’t make sense.

 

[PieLebo87]

Of course Cameron is there, but he’s not Grundy quality. Every club has young players, every club has young midfielders, doesn’t mean they’re the next Chris Judd. Grundy as a 2 time All Aus, nearly won a Brownlow. He’s a star. There aren’t many stars in the game, they’re hard to get, why would you let one walk out.

I want Grundy at Melbourne, he’s an F’n star. But understand there is a risk and it’s probably why Collingwood want to get off his 5 year contract. It’s like North taking away Ben Brown’s contract offer, they knew he was shot and while he played a part in Melbourne winning a premiership he looks absolutely gone right now.

Imagine if Collingwood had Grundy this year. Imagine adding an All Aus ruckman into that team. Top 4 this doesn’t mean top 4 next year. When was the last time a club let a player of this calibre walk out under contract? It’s not simple, it doesn’t make sense.

In all honesty, it may be innocent of me, but I reckon Graeme Wright isn’t on the same page as Ned Guy as a list manager, and doesn’t believe Grundy warrants a $950k a year contract for the next 5 years. He could possibly be wanting to cut his losses short, pay the $300k and re-invest that $650k a year elsewhere.

At the end of the day, Melbourne (no AFL club) are dills. They wouldn’t be investing around $3m into a player across 5 years without doing their own due diligence and medical checks. If Grundy goes to the Dees, there isn’t anything wrong with him physically.

 

[No SPIN]

Max is banged up? Have you seen Grundy? Why do think the Pies are willing to let him go with 5 years remaining on his contract?

Last time I checked Grundy hadn’t had a single Reco let alone 2 like Gawn.

 

[No SPIN]

Your age is your age, playing a bruise free style game doesn’t stop you ageing.

Of course Collingwood aren’t going to come out and say we are trading Grundy because he’s all banged up. Of course they are going to say it’s for other reasons.

You don’t need a great ruckman to win a flag, but what you need are great players and Grundy at his best is that. You don’t let star players leave (and pay part of the contract) to bring in players like Billy Frampton. Collingwood know more and want to get off his contract before it’s too late

Coll know that Melb don’t stay in the Premiership window without Grundy.
So Coll hold all the cards, Melb is the desperate party.
If Grundy was banged up why would Melb be interested?
Clearly he’s not, and your narrative is naive in suggesting a poor deal accordingly.

 

[No SPIN]

Will be great if he does, but Melbourne won’t be overpaying for him. Collingwood want him gone. Just like North and Ben Brown.

You’re as out of touch, as your confidence you were going back to back.

 

[The 747]

Coll know that Melb don’t stay in the Premiership window without Grundy.
So Coll hold all the cards, Melb is the desperate party.
If Grundy was banged up why would Melb be interested?
Clearly he’s not, and your narrative is naive in suggesting a poor deal accordingly.

Optimistic post is optimistic. The Pies are pushing Grundy out.

 

[No SPIN]

Are any of those players still at their best? I’m not saying Cox is about to retire, But Grundy is a much better player and younger. Where will Cox be in 2025? There are more years left in Grundy than Cox unless something is going to stop Grundy.

Grundy is under contract for 5 year and is having meetings with other clubs. He needs permission from his club to speak with others. Collingwood are letting him find another club.

No - Coll are hoping they get a win/win with a great deal.
A crap deal won’t get Grundy.

 

[No SPIN]

Optimistic post is optimistic. The Pies are pushing Grundy out.

Everyone has a price - if we get the right price AND Grundy is happy to leave then all’s fine.
I seem to remember Ablett being “pushed out” of Geel because you wouldn’t pay his price.

 

[Blackas87]

In all honesty, it may be innocent of me, but I reckon Graeme Wright isn’t on the same page as Ned Guy as a list manager, and doesn’t believe Grundy warrants a $950k a year contract for the next 5 years. He could possibly be wanting to cut his losses short, pay the $300k and re-invest that $650k a year elsewhere.

At the end of the day, Melbourne (no AFL club) are dills. They wouldn’t be investing around $3m into a player across 5 years without doing their own due diligence and medical checks. If Grundy goes to the Dees, there isn’t anything wrong with him physically.

I kind of get that, I think I said earlier in this thread if the reported $600k for Mcstay is true, plus the Grundy $300k it’s a lot of money for Mcstay, I’d rather keep Grundy of find the money elsewhere, cut someone else.

There are similarities with this and Ben Brown 2 years ago. He had 3 60 goal years in a row then one bad year with injury (no real previous injury history). North took their 3 year deal offer away, North wanted a first and ended up getting a 2nd round pick. An article came out saying Melbourne play the moneyball game at the trade table getting bargain trades along with Ed Langdon and some others.
Brown said in an interview he had no real interest joining Melbourne (missed finals) and went to a meeting with them out of due diligence, he left the interview thinking to himself Melbourne is the only club he wants to join and part of the reason was Melbournes plan to manage his injury. Brown has had 2 injured years at Melbourne but he was managed well last year and play a decent role in a premiership.

Now with Grundy I have questions why Collingwood are willing to let him go with 5 years left on his contract in a season where he’s had a couple of injuries. Reported Grundy was very impressed with Melbourne’s pitch to him. Why does Grundy want to join Max Gawn in sharing the ruck? Have Melbourne presented a plan to manage his injury? Geelong seemed to have backed off. Just feel that Melbourne could be trying to get another bargain trade similar to Ben Brown.

 

[Blackas87]

Coll know that Melb don’t stay in the Premiership window without Grundy.
So Coll hold all the cards, Melb is the desperate party.
If Grundy was banged up why would Melb be interested?
Clearly he’s not, and your narrative is naive in suggesting a poor deal accordingly.

Why would Melbourne drop out the premiership window? Was Collingwood out of the premiership window finishing 17th?

Just like Melbourne got Ben Brown what was considered unders at the time.

Melb know Collingwood can’t get their trade targets with Grundy on the list, Melbourne hold all the cards, Collingwood are desperate to get him off the books.

 

[No SPIN]

Why would Melbourne drop out the premiership window? Was Collingwood out of the premiership window finishing 17th?

Just like Melbourne got Ben Brown what was considered unders at the time.

Melb know Collingwood can’t get their trade targets with Grundy on the list, Melbourne hold all the cards, Collingwood are desperate to get him off the books.

Jackson’s gone.
Grundy is the ONLY logical replacement for you to stay in the flag race.
Unless of course you change your Coach, as we did - but I can’t see that happening.

 

[Blackas87]

Jackson’s gone.
Grundy is the ONLY logical replacement for you to stay in the flag race.
Unless of course you change your Coach, as we did - but I can’t see that happening.

I don’t think Jackson is the reason Melbourne were contenders, 12th in Melbournes best and fairest 2021. It’s not like they’re losing Buddy Franklin or Gary Ablett like Hawks and Cats did and still went on to win flags. Jackson was a decent role player that has big upside. Melbourne have far more important players than Jackson that’ll keep them in contention. Grundy would be a great acquisition, but not one Melbourne would be desperate for. Without Grundy Melbourne still has the cash to target other players. With Grundy on Collingwood’s list the Pies can’t get their trade targets.

 

[No SPIN]

I don’t think Jackson is the reason Melbourne were contenders, 12th in Melbournes best and fairest 2021. It’s not like they’re losing Buddy Franklin or Gary Ablett like Hawks and Cats did and still went on to win flags. Jackson was a decent role player that has big upside. Melbourne have far more important players than Jackson that’ll keep them in contention. Grundy would be a great acquisition, but not one Melbourne would be desperate for. Without Grundy Melbourne still has the cash to target other players. With Grundy on Collingwood’s list the Pies can’t get their trade targets.

McStay is locked in. We might not get one of Frampton or Hill.
That’s hardly a disaster.
But you passing on Grundy and dropping off, is a risk you’d be stupid to take.
If your club is smart they pay Grundy’s true value and get on with winning a flag.
Otherwise you can face prospect of withering regret at the lost opportunity, when Grundy returns next year, and dominates the competition in a Coll jumper.

 

[richoatthedisco]

The only reason Melbourne should get Grundy is if they have doubts about Gawn. Neither of them is a forward's arseh*le. They'll have two blokes for one position.

 

[Blackas87]

McStay is locked in. We might not get one of Frampton or Hill.
That’s hardly a disaster.
But you passing on Grundy and dropping off, is a risk you’d be stupid to take.
If your club is smart they pay Grundy’s true value and get on with winning a flag.
Otherwise you can face prospect of withering regret at the lost opportunity, when Grundy returns next year, and dominates the competition in a Coll jumper.

If Grundy is going to dominate the comp next year than why the hell are Collingwood going to play $300k for him to play elsewhere? Collingwood are going to have egg on their faces with Grundy in a Melbourne jumper. At least you’ll have Bobby Hill.

 

[The 747]

Everyone has a price - if we get the right price AND Grundy is happy to leave then all’s fine.
I seem to remember Ablett being “pushed out” of Geel because you wouldn’t pay his price.

Sure Ablett got a great offer. But the Pies agreed to pay Grundy's price.

 

[The 747]

Jackson’s gone.
Grundy is the ONLY logical replacement for you to stay in the flag race.
Unless of course you change your Coach, as we did - but I can’t see that happening.

Also, strong inverse posting and username ratio.

 

[No SPIN]

If Grundy is going to dominate the comp next year than why the hell are Collingwood going to play $300k for him to play elsewhere? Collingwood are going to have egg on their faces with Grundy in a Melbourne jumper. At least you’ll have Bobby Hill.

I see you’re believing the media BS on the $300k.

Like I said - if we get a win/win with a great deal AND Grundy is happy to go then why not.
Everyone has a price.

It called pragmatism.

You guys have been saying Grundy’s an injury risk - so why is Coll going to have egg on their face?

Seriously, make up your minds.

 

[Blackas87]

You guys have been saying Grundy’s an injury risk - so why is Coll going to have egg on their face?

You’re the one saying he’s going to dominate the competition.

when Grundy returns next year, and dominates the competition in a Coll jumper.

If he dominates the comp in a Melbourne jumper, you are really going to hope Frampton is a star, other egg all over the face.

 

[No SPIN]

Sure Ablett got a great offer. But the Pies agreed to pay Grundy's price.

And if Grundy decides he want to stay then the contract is honoured.

You’re the one saying he’s going to dominate the competition.

If he dominates the comp in a Melbourne jumper, you really are going hope Frampton is a star, other egg all over the face.

I’ve no problems with Grundy dominating in a Melb jumper because it would mean we got a great deal.

However Melb trying to low ball and missing the opportunity to recruit him will make you a laughing stock.
And when we smack you again, and Grundy stars you’ll be catatonic with despair.
At least we’ll spare you the humiliation of doing it in a final, because you won’t make finals, without Grundy.

 

[Blackas87]

And if Grundy decides he want to stay then the contract is


I’ve no problems with Grundy dominating in a Melb jumper because it would mean we got a great deal.

However Melb trying to low ball and missing the opportunity to recruit him will make you a laughing stock.
And when we smack you again, and Grundy stars you’ll be catatonic with despair.
At least we’ll spare you the humiliation of doing it in a final, because you won’t make finals, without Grundy.

Melbourne overpaying for a bloke that’s injured will make them a laughing stock. Maybe another club wants Grundy and will give the offer you want