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shawthing09

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Looking over all the fullbacks in the league it's hard to find many people who where recruited as a full back and then succesful played that role for their original club.

While by no means writting of Browny who seems to have all the attributes, the question is should we or do we have an adequate back up plan if Brown does not come on as hoped?????

My feeling is we should we working on Maxwell's size and bulk and one on one defence play. Reid i don't think will ever be big or strong enough to play the full back role plus would be wasted there. Rusling is two small and 1 dimensional.

If Brown was not to come on do we have any other options atm ?????
 
I think we picked the wrong brown.Mitchell Brown is who we should have gone for,but i suppose i can't be too harsh about the kid,he is trying in the reserves,but really he needs to put in a big pre season and have some impact in the seniors next year.He is a bit slow not as fast as goldsac.The other player coming through who could be earmarked as a potential fullback is John Anthony.
 
daics cousin said:
I think we picked the wrong brown.Mitchell Brown is who we should have gone for,but i suppose i can't be too harsh about the kid,he is trying in the reserves,but really he needs to put in a big pre season and have some impact in the seniors next year.He is a bit slow not as fast as goldsac.The other player coming through who could be earmarked as a potential fullback is John Anthony.
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Anthony more a clement type third tall/ versatile back not tall enough to play on gorilla's, Brown is not slow his sprint/repeat times are in the top percentage for the afl.
 

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shawthing09 said:
Anthony more a clement type third tall/ versatile back not tall enough to play on gorilla's, Brown is not slow his sprint/repeat times are in the top percentage for the afl.
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having played against this bloke in juniors.....i think he needs to get his head around himself and focus more on his footy...when he plays he plays for himself not the team
 
shawthing09 said:
Anthony more a clement type third tall/ versatile back not tall enough to play on gorilla's, Brown is not slow his sprint/repeat times are in the top percentage for the afl.
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Brown does seem to have a prescence about him.Big strong body,hopefully he'll develop into the player we hope him to be.Must have been rated we took him at (pick 10 ) in a superdraft.It's just that at willy he has been copping a shallacking by opposing forwards this year.
Don't know maybe he needs time and to build his confidence,hope he comes along.when we drafted him i thought he was going to make it for sure,but then i saw his first game in the wizard cup and thought oh no,then i thought give the kid a go,and really he hasn't improved that much.
With the injuries we had this year,we could have done with his help in the back line,but he is not ready.I would be very worried if he is in the same boat this time next year.
 
daics cousin said:
Brown does seem to have a prescence about him.Big strong body,hopefully he'll develop into the player we hope him to be.Must have been rated we took him at (pick 10 ) in a superdraft.It's just that at willy he has been copping a shallacking by opposing forwards this year.
Don't know maybe he needs time and to build his confidence,hope he comes along.when we drafted him i thought he was going to make it for sure,but then i saw his first game in the wizard cup and thought oh no,then i thought give the kid a go,and really he hasn't improved that much.
With the injuries we had this year,we could have done with his help in the back line,but he is not ready.I would be very worried if he is in the same boat this time next year.
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I don't think we need to be too worried right now about Brown.

From what I have seen from VFL matches - which admittedly isn't as much as some - he has great ability and always looks like he will dominate but just never seems to.

Some players take longer to develop and the fact that Presti isn't going anywhere right now will help. I agree though that if there is no improvement next year I will start to worry - he doesn't need to play seniors next year but at least start to dominate at VFL level.
 
shawthing09 said:
Looking over all the fullbacks in the league it's hard to find many people who where recruited as a full back and then succesful played that role for their original club.

While by no means writting of Browny who seems to have all the attributes, the question is should we or do we have an adequate back up plan if Brown does not come on as hoped?????

My feeling is we should we working on Maxwell's size and bulk and one on one defence play. Reid i don't think will ever be big or strong enough to play the full back role plus would be wasted there. Rusling is two small and 1 dimensional.

If Brown was not to come on do we have any other options atm ?????
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I think you will find Brown will come on next year!!! Some players take longer than other to develope. LAst year we had the same issues with Danny Stanley but i think now we can see the potential he has.
 
daics cousin said:
I think we picked the wrong brown.Mitchell Brown is who we should have gone for,but i suppose i can't be too harsh about the kid,he is trying in the reserves,but really he needs to put in a big pre season and have some impact in the seniors next year.He is a bit slow not as fast as goldsac.The other player coming through who could be earmarked as a potential fullback is John Anthony.
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He's as fast or faster. Did a 2.90 20m sprint and was top in the repeat sprints. No issues there.
 
Let's not put so much pressure on him to be Presti II just because he has a couple of centimetres on Sack, O'Brien, Maxwell, Anthony. Let's just say he is a KPD who will hopefull develop into a player who can take the tallest forward. There aren't that many BIG FF's around anymore anyway.
 

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He will be a gun player for us within 2 years. Total freak, just needs to get some confidence in his ability.
 
Didn't this guy have a knee injury and this is his first season back?

His twin brother out west has had a promising start, I flew down and watched round 1 v Swans and he kicked butt in his debuit.

One thing I just couldn't get though. Yours was supposidly the better of the twins but THEIR TWINS. Why wouldn't you pick the one with the good knee's?

Anyway, hopefully yours has a better hair stylist, ours now has blue hair and look's like a total knob:eek::confused::eek:

Hopefully he gets a reversion or something soon cos NO WAY is he playing in the one's with hair like that.

P.S. Please smash the Swans this week and who knows we might cross paths next week:rolleyes:
 
Short answer: because one's a key forward, the other's a key back. We have enough key forwards.
 
Just read the Willi report where Gotch stated that he had to move Brown in the last quarter when Saunter got on top and kicked two goals. Am starting to think that Brown may not be suited to playing full back. He has pace, is a left footer like Reid and has the bulk to play key position so could end up playing as a CHF or FF. Just needs more time to develop. Good luck to West Coast for recruiting Mitchell, but it's too early to tell which of the two is better. Nathan was selected in the U18 AA side at FB so you can hardly blame us for selecting him ahead of Mitchell. They could both end up as great players.
 
Browny has yet to have a full preseason, and Sautner is one of the VFL's all-time leading goalkickers. Give him a break. Brown did just fine on Tomahawk earlier in the year, he's just going to take time to develop.
 
shawthing09 said:
Looking over all the fullbacks in the league it's hard to find many people who where recruited as a full back and then succesful played that role for their original club.

While by no means writting of Browny who seems to have all the attributes, the question is should we or do we have an adequate back up plan if Brown does not come on as hoped?????

My feeling is we should we working on Maxwell's size and bulk and one on one defence play. Reid i don't think will ever be big or strong enough to play the full back role plus would be wasted there. Rusling is two small and 1 dimensional.

If Brown was not to come on do we have any other options atm ?????
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when presti was moved to full back he used to get a bag kicked on him every week.and malthouse himself said that when he came to collingwood he didn't rate presti at all because he remembered scott cummings kicking a bag on him when ever they played. so much so that he recuited wakelin for insurance but presti turned the corner and i'm sure brown will find his feet given time to develop
 
All big bodied players like Browny need time to develop. Watch out for him next year even possibly towards the end of year as well. Did he also spend a little time up forward in the u/18s with the rebals and vic country
 
I am by no means writting him off I am just saying there is a lot of our structure riding on him making it and i think we need to have some kind of back up plan.

Glass and Scarlett where the only 2 full backs that i could come up with that have always been full backs. Glass did take a while to come on and as i said by no means writting him off just wondering. In the event that he didn't come on where would we be at structurally
 
Hey guys just thought id clear a few things up...i know Browny reasonably well, played against him and Mitch in junior days when they played for Ballarat and i play for North Ballarat, and same age as the 2 boys. Naths athleticism and endurance are his big assets, kicks the ball long and penetrates when on song, but is question mark is his hardness, the same as Mitch however the two boys are reasonably well sized and have improved out of sight in that area in the last 2 - 3years. Lets not forget that both gave up football at 14 years old to concentrate on basketball, and then did the same on basketball to play footy, which was only 2 years ago. Nath was All-Australian last year even though Mitch had the better overall carnival, Nath was easily the best full back available and they can both play each end of the ground.

Nath will be a gun as long as he backs himself, the quote previous that he needs to get over himself is rediculous, possibly one of he nicest kids going around and confidence in his ability is the one weakness he has. If he gets over that he'll be tremendous. Everyone raves about Hawkins, But Nath has stitched him up a few times now.
 
shawthing09 said:
Looking over all the fullbacks in the league it's hard to find many people who where recruited as a full back and then succesful played that role for their original club.

While by no means writting of Browny who seems to have all the attributes, the question is should we or do we have an adequate back up plan if Brown does not come on as hoped?????

My feeling is we should we working on Maxwell's size and bulk and one on one defence play. Reid i don't think will ever be big or strong enough to play the full back role plus would be wasted there. Rusling is two small and 1 dimensional.

If Brown was not to come on do we have any other options atm ?????
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Who says we recruited Brown as a FB. If you watched him play in the TAC last year he played every KP spot on the field. His first two practice matches this year were at CHF.

Whilst he has been played as a FB this year that could be as much for his education as anything else. I have no doubt he will more likely play KPD spot but it could just as easily be CHB with Anthony taking FB.

All that being sad, why are we even bothering to judge a first round pick last year just yet. I would be thinking more about this about half way thru next year. KP players take a while to develop....relax.

PS Dustin Fletcher, Darren Glass, Ben Rutten, Daryl Wakelin were recruited as FB's.
 
I have fortunately missed his poorer games for Williamstown, so I have a slightly more optimistic view on Nathan.

I cut him slack, as as Cjkirbs said, he is a bit green when it comes to footy due to a gap in his (and his bro's) development. He also had an elbow (?) injury which kept him out of it late last year.

It's easy to freak out about him getting hammered by the VFL's best full forward in Sautner, but then neglect him completely nullifying the VFL's second best key forward in Dukes two weeks earlier. When we hear about Browny getting stitched up, we shouldn't panic. All full backs cop it early on, and on occassions after their development.

Nathan has fantastic pace and his closing speed is what Hine would have been most intersted in. Can get the spoils at the last split second ala Presti. People sight changes in the game, but the Power forwards aren't disappearing. Neitz, Richo, Lloyd, Hall, Brown, Quentin, Hawkins...there's always a stream of these hard leading lugs requiring blanketing.

He has demostrated to me a good footy brain with respect to engineering the backline. This is a result of me watching him relate to players up close down at Point Jellybean. I reckon right now he has some self-esteem issues (and he has plenty to learn so who can blame him), but I reckon once he clicks and finds confidence, he will have a certain level of 'General' about him.

His weaknesses thus far in my opinion, is him battling for position when the ball is coming in long and high on his head. His kicking at stop plays (ie. mark/free) has also been very nervous (likely to improve with confidence).

Some minor qualities that made me sit up and take note, was that sometimes he has roved a stoppage and bursted through in very convincing fashion. He's done this a few times.

One thing's for certain, he is the perfect archetype for a fullback physically. In fact he phyically reminds me of the best fullback I've ever seen in Chris Langford. Naturally we've got to work hard with him to get him anywhere near that class, but he is a good base from which to fashion a fullback.
 

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