Browne Cops Three

[Crow-mo]

so explane how is it negligent or reckless if there is no intent, no malice = no guilt

Actually this is quite wrong. its the opposite actually.

reckless and negligent is about putting yourself in a situation you don't have control of. where the outcome was not of your direct planning, but that you did actively put yourself in a position where bad things could've happened.

no one can say Browne intended that, but it is possible to say that by clearly intending to lay a (fair) hip n shoulder a long way off the ball he was intending to cause impact, just not of the type that eventually fell outside his control. why would you say that a player can ever truly predict the outcome of a hit on an unsuspecting player? many are legal, but there is lot of luck (both ways) involved.

Lets be honest, he was trying to make up ground and lay a clean bump behind play (which should have caused a free kick as the ball was too far away), but you can't say he was a bystander.

I'd not have a problem if it were thrown out and he played this week; but equally he put himself in a position where the outcomes were out of his control - and this year they are penalising that.

 

[Crow-mo]

I'll take my late mother's underwear off once and for all and leave the house. Really.

just remember. you promised!

 

[Bomba Sheldon]

Garbage - T-Bird shoved him into the path of Browne, whilst i sincerely do feel sorry for young Porpleizya this is the wrong call by the MRP.

F**KIN JOKE

 

[Carlton Kid]

 

[parrot]

...... where the outcome was not of your direct planning....

What on Earth is this Port-Crows supporter on about now. lol. He may have overdosed on irrelevant textbook definitions and neglected the thinking process. Hilarious. Anyway. I think what we have here is Crows supporters in desperate need to blame someone over an accidental incident. It was apparent on the day even - the Port-Crows players and their supporters didn't really know who to remonstrate with after the accident. It was all kinda strange.

 

[OZBomb]

It's neither reckless or negligent behaviour to run 1.5 meters next to a bloke on a football field. If we're using the legal definition of negligent then a reasonable person can't be expected to have violated any duty of care by running 1.5 meters beside a person on a sporting field.

This'll get thrown out.

 

[jimmymetch]

can the brain bruising be used against browne if it was caused by the ground and not browne himself..he got him right in the sweet spot of the jaw?..even if browne was looking the other direction and porplezia copped a knock to the same spot of his jaw he would have gone down like a sack of bricks and still got brain bruising from the impact on the ground..

also some adelaide supporter said brownes man was nowhere near the ball..he was either actually on porps..which he wasnt..or he was on the blonde bloke running to the left of screen which u can clearly see in the replay so he had every right to be there..porps and thornton wer pretty much in the direct line of browne and his man..

and just an observation as soon as i saw the incident i thought scottland/didak from a few years back..that was an intentional bump..high contact..caused him to get concussion and was bleeding pretty profusely from his temple..could have been a lot worse..i know scottland had the ball in this case but still..it was intentional as opposed to unintentional contact in the browne/porps incident.

 

[Faz 2000]

Wow. Much harsher than I expected. I would think Carlton would challenge and get it knocked down a few. I wonder if a star, established player would have got the same numbers (hi Adam).

Hope Porpz is OK. That poor little bastard has been trying to carry Adelaide all year with one arm and a headache, and finally he gets finished off in what looked like a pretty tame, malice-free incident.

And I'm not just wearing Carlton goggles... that whole exchange didn't strike me as dirty. A free kick for shoving too far off the ball, at the very worst.

Would someone get rubbed out if they took a massive speccy and kneed someone in the head?

 

[KingsCrow]

Just at a glimpse you missed the point and you're still an idiot.

Rosa tried to duck the tackle and copped it in the head.

Porplyzia was pushed and fell into Browne's shoulder like Blight noted after watching two angles.

So everyone should get off scot free. Surelly you jest.

Porps wasnt even near the ball and was PUSHED into the oncoming player in Browne. The intention to bump him was their, surelly even you will admit that. But the intention to knock him out obviously was not.

Face up to the consequences of your players actions.

Me personally, I am filthy its Browne getting the weeks and not Thornton.

 

[true_blue_69]

Actually this is quite wrong. its the opposite actually.

reckless and negligent is about putting yourself in a situation you don't have control of. where the outcome was not of your direct planning, but that you did actively put yourself in a position where bad things could've happened.

no one can say Browne intended that, but it is possible to say that by clearly intending to lay a (fair) hip n shoulder a long way off the ball he was intending to cause impact, just not of the type that eventually fell outside his control. why would you say that a player can ever truly predict the outcome of a hit on an unsuspecting player? many are legal, but there is lot of luck (both ways) involved.

Lets be honest, he was trying to make up ground and lay a clean bump behind play (which should have caused a free kick as the ball was too far away), but you can't say he was a bystander.

I'd not have a problem if it were thrown out and he played this week; but equally he put himself in a position where the outcomes were out of his control - and this year they are penalising that.

the above bolded quote would apply to every AFL Footballer who dive in for a contest on the football every flipping god damn week going by your logic then m8.
For god sake....... go & watch a game of flipping netball if you do not want to see contact made & possessions contested for.

Lets just have every AFL footballer think about "putting themselves in a situation that they don't have control of" before they go for the ball.

Get a grip you fool or support Netball. You are a joke

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Well it was a two-man job wasn't it? I want to focus on the guy who got his hands dirty in this plot.

Don't get me wrong, Thornton is a scheming deviate. Watch the replay closely: You can see him smiling and licking his lips Wile E. Coyote-style as he pushes Porplyzia into Browne.

I can understand Thornton's desperation. Last time he let Porps get goalside of him, Porps painted a tunnel and disappeared down it. Thornton trying to follow him went smack bang into the side of the mountain.

 

[HBF]

Me personally, I am filthy its Browne getting the weeks and not Thornton.

For what........pushing him?
Now i've heard everything.

Sheesh!

 

[Jezza U Beauty]

Wow. Much harsher than I expected. I would think Carlton would challenge and get it knocked down a few. I wonder if a star, established player would have got the same numbers (hi Adam).

Hope Porpz is OK. That poor little bastard has been trying to carry Adelaide all year with one arm and a headache, and finally he gets finished off in what looked like a pretty tame, malice-free incident.

And I'm not just wearing Carlton goggles... that whole exchange didn't strike me as dirty. A free kick for shoving too far off the ball, at the very worst.

Would someone get rubbed out if they took a massive speccy and kneed someone in the head?

Good point. Proven by Fev not being cited after Henry Slattery went to hospital earlier in the season as a result of running into Fev's knee.

 

[HBF]

Mate, we win games.


You lost to us on the weekend with 2 players on the bench, and our two leading goal kickers out.

You'd think with the best player in the competition, second best forward in the competition, 3 first pick players and a swag of high end drafted players you could beat this 'dads army' of hacks coached by that baffoon Craig.

Had we taken any of those chances we had late in the game, we would have beaten the Crows. Fact is, we didn't, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you guys were running the clock down with more than 5 minutes to go in the game. Little bit worried I believe.

The 2008 season is more about wins for the Carlton Footy Club, it's about re-establishing ourselves in the competition as a competitive club, and it's about developing our players to become good AFL players.

 

[Faz 2000]

You lost to us on the weekend with 2 players on the bench, and our two leading goal kickers out.

You'd think with the best player in the competition, second best forward in the competition, 3 first pick players and a swag of high end drafted players you could beat this 'dads army' of hacks coached by that baffoon Craig.

Why does a thread about an isolated incident collapse into insult slanging matches about which team is better or who has the better list or whatever? F*&# you sound like idiots.

Adelaide is better. They won.

Carlton feels good about our progress this year (see years 2002-2007 as to why).

Browne was damn unlucky to get 4 weeks, and Porpz was damn unlucky to get KO'd AGAIN. That guy needs to wear a crash helmet and gaffer tape his arms on.

 

[ShearMagic9]

Really, you can't argue with any of the gradings.

Negligent = yes it was.

Severe impact = yes it was.

Head high contact = yest it was.

 

[HBF]

Really, you can't argue with any of the gradings.

Negligent = yes it was.

Severe impact = yes it was.

Head high contact = yest it was.

Back to the General Discussion Board FC.

The severity and head high contact were not Browne's fault. Porplyzia was off balance, and was falling into Browne when contact was made.

 

[ShearMagic9]

Back to the General Discussion Board FC.

The severity and head high contact were not Browne's fault. Porplyzia was off balance, and was falling into Browne when contact was made.

Browne definitely laid the shoulder in when he saw Porps coming his way though.

You can argue that he was just protecting himself or whatever, but it didn't look that good.

What should it have been then?

It was definitely negligent and definitely high, only thing that perhaps could've been downgraded was the severe impact.

 

[HBF]

Browne definitely laid the shoulder in when he saw Porps coming his way though.

You can argue that he was just protecting himself or whatever, but it didn't look that good.

What should it have been then?

It was definitely negligent and definitely high, only thing that perhaps could've been downgraded was the severe impact.

I'll argue that Browne had no time to react to a player stumbling towards him, and he took the necessary action to protect himeself. There is no way on gods green earth that he would have had time to even consider "roughing up" Porplyzia.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Really, you can't argue with any of the gradings.

Negligent = yes it was.

Severe impact = yes it was.

Head high contact = yest it was.

Negligent is the one that will be questioned. The others are clear.

To be negligent you have to show that Browne should have been aware of the possibility of a collision and in real time show that Browne had time to adjust to the situation.

The MRP have obviously decided that Browne made a deliberate move to contact Porplyzia and thus the decision has been made. Carlton's job will be to play up the fact that Porplyzia invaded Browne's space, not the other way around and focus on an instinctive reflex response to finding someone cannoning into you like that. A bio-mechanic is a given.

If we don't appeal, it is because a bio-mechanic can not make a case for Browne OR he is considered a fringe player at this stage and being young could use the rest anyway. The club has to evaluate this based on what they feel is right and not the player involved.

 

[BrizzyBlue]

Just heard on Fox 513 that the club will head to the tribunal tonight to contest the charge.

This just posted as well:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24131318-19742,00.html

 

[megladon]

3 weeks for being the wrong place at the wrong time, Browne had every right to protect HIMSELF from the stumbling player, he didn't instigate any contact, how can a player be suspended for not making contact. Can not believe how logic has left football adjudication, typical of this poor quality AFL administration, WRONG people in the WRONG job.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Really, you can't argue with any of the gradings.

Negligent = yes it was.

Severe impact = yes it was.

Head high contact = yest it was.

it was negligent of the porpoise to be shoved into him. It is not the street lights fault when you crash your car into it!

 

[Salaryman]

3 weeks for being the wrong place at the wrong time, Browne had every right to protect HIMSELF from the stumbling player, he didn't instigate any contact, how can a player be suspended for not making contact. Can not believe how logic has left football adjudication, typical of this poor quality AFL administration, WRONG people in the WRONG job.

Good to get an impartial view from a quality poster. Your input has been missed on the drafts board this year md.

 

[blue gunslinger]

With the crap that has been let off this year, it perplexes me that we should have to waste the time to contest this.