Bruce Lehrmann revealed as man charged with two counts of rape in Toowoomba

[Festerz]

While likely ineffective I don’t have an issue with trying.

Errr, OK.

Just who would you send this contempt order to, exactly? These are AI bot accounts.

Or do you think Mr Musk will follow up each bot account personally on behalf of the WA Supreme Court, him being a champion of justice and all?

Reynolds asking the Judge to send a contempt order to hundreds of twitter bots was just idiocy on a stick. And a sign of just how well thought out her defamation action against her former employee (who was r*ped in her bloody office in Parliament House FFS) has played out.

Edit: I can just imagine the response of Senator Reynolds as Defence Minister being told our nation is facing a DOS attack on major infrastructure facilities in Australia.

Reynolds: 'Can you please send an email asking them to stop?'

Head of Australian Signals Directorate (ASD): 'Yes we can Minister. Who do you suggest I send this request to?'

Reynolds: 'Them!! We have their names in the emails don't we?'

Head of ASD: 'Well, yes we do.'

Reynolds: 'So, what's stopping you?'

Head of ASD: 'Well Minister....I'm just not sure many of my analysts are convinced that Bocci BigBottoms of Ballarat is the mastermind behind all this'

 

[Crankyhawk]

Errr, OK.

Just who would you send this contempt order to, exactly? These are AI bot accounts.

Or do you think Mr Musk will follow up each bot account personally on behalf of the WA Supreme Court, him being a champion of justice and all?

Reynolds asking the Judge to send a contempt order to hundreds of twitter bots was just idiocy on a stick. And a sign of just how well thought out her defamation action against her former employee (who was r*ped in her bloody office in Parliament House FFS) has played out.

Edit: I can just imagine the response of Senator Reynolds as Defence Minister being told our nation is facing a DOS attack on major infrastructure facilities in Australia.

Reynolds: 'Can you please send an email asking them to stop?'

Head of Australian Signals Directorate (ASD): 'Yes we can Minister. Who do you suggest I send this request to?'

Reynolds: 'Them!! We have their names in the emails don't we?'

Head of ASD: 'Well, yes we do.'

Reynolds: 'So, what's stopping you?'

Head of ASD: 'Well Minister....I'm just not sure many of my analysts are convinced that Bocci BigBottoms of Ballarat is the mastermind behind all this'

send the order to the owner of the site - IE musk. And yes while it does nothing immediately, maybe can later be leveraged into something. At anyrate, it takes little effort for the judge to do so, and maybe at some later date if musk visits australia having not paid/ complied wiht the notice, we can imprison his arse for shits and giggles and extortion of cash

 

[QuietB]

Linda Reynolds failed to offer a ‘basic human response’ after Brittany Higgins’ rape allegations, court told

Higgins’ lawyer also tells defamation trial Reynolds was an unreliable witness and harassed Higgins by leaking documents

www.theguardian.com

 

[Harro59]

Linda Reynolds failed to offer a ‘basic human response’ after Brittany Higgins’ rape allegations, court told

Higgins’ lawyer also tells defamation trial Reynolds was an unreliable witness and harassed Higgins by leaking documents

www.theguardian.com

Well, if we go back to the purpose of the defamation case, ans that's whether the tweets defamed her by claiming she wasn't supported and there was a cover-up. Then I guess we can get some sense of how this will play out.

The Higgins defence team has, in my opinion, made a good case that she wasn't supported through this.

I'm not sure about the cover-up. Certainly, it smells, the AFP person (Leanne Close???) Testimony certainly provided questions. However, is that enough to suggest there was an active attempt to cover this up? I'm not sure, I'm certainly no expert in the matter.

 

[Over The Post]

I'm not sure about the cover-up. Certainly, it smells, the AFP person (Leanne Close???) Testimony certainly provided questions. However, is that enough to suggest there was an active attempt to cover this up?

As I found to my cost some years ago when my shop was cleaned out by a so-called friend's son and his shit mates, what the cops know and what the cops can prove to a suitable standard in court are often two completely different things.

 

[Saint]

As I found to my cost some years ago when my shop was cleaned out by a so-called friend's son and his shit mates, what the cops know and what the cops can prove to a suitable standard in court are often two completely different things.

Defamation standard isn't as high as the criminal standard.

If the judge finds on probability that Reynolds wasn't supportive of Higgins, that's enough for Higgins' tweets to not be defamation. It's certainly not clear that Reynolds "did" support Higgins.

The bottom line is that Higgins didn't feel supported and Reynolds was/is emotionally fragile, so to me it's reasonable to presume she had no idea how to be supportive or a good manager at the time either. She has certainly been shown to still be unsupportive.

 

[Festerz]

The Albanese government has agreed to pay Linda Reynolds’ legal costs in her referral of the commonwealth’s multimillion-dollar settlement with Brittany Higgins to the federal anti-corruption body.

The attorney general, Mark Dreyfus, wrote to the Liberal senator on Tuesday confirming that her application for legal assistance in a National Anti-Corruption Commission matter had been approved by his department’s secretary, a document tabled in parliament on Thursday showed.

Reynolds referred the attorney general’s December 2022 decision – to grant the senator legal assistance in Higgins’ personal injury settlement, but to disallow her involvement in any mediation – to the NACC in October 2023.

It is not known whether the NACC (which refused to investigate corruption allegations stemming from the Royal Commission into the Morrison Government's RoboDebt Scheme) has decided to commence an investigation into the Higgins' matter.

Government to pay Linda Reynolds’ costs for referral of Brittany Higgins settlement to federal corruption watchdog

Document tabled in parliament reveals attorney general approved WA Liberal senator’s application for legal assistance

www.theguardian.com

 

[Not Important]

Tootsies with Planet Janet - Featurettes - Justinian: Australian legal magazine. News on lawyers and the law

Water Softener and the Planet ... Further details of the width and depth of their relationship ......

justinian.com.au

 

[peetoo]

Holding a meeting with victim in the very office where the alleged rape occurred?

Not ideal

 

[western royboy]

Bruce back in court stinking it up in an attempt to avoid putting up $200k in order to run his defence claiming Ch10 ruined his employability…

 

[blueboy25]

Bruce back in court stinking it up in an attempt to avoid putting up $200k in order to run his defence claiming Ch10 ruined his employability…

Bruce fought the law.....

 

[Not Important]

hmm!

 

[Not Important]

hopefully, he’s looking at ways of pursuing albrechtsen legally.

 

[Festerz]

hopefully, he’s looking at ways of pursuing albrechtsen legally.

No chance of that in my view. Especially given Albrechtsen's role in the conservative media and in embracing certain sections of the legal establishment that protects it.

Let's just wait and see what the ACT Integrity Commission comes up with in its investigation of Justice Wally Sofronoff whose so-called 'independent' inquiry has been so badly tarnished with allegations of collusion and inappropriate behaviour.

If that investigation dares to call out and take legal action against a former respected silk for his behaviour then maybe we have a chance of seeing the behaviour of media sycophants being called to account for their actions as well.

But I would not hold my breath.

 

[Pie eyed]

No chance of that in my view. Especially given Albrechtsen's role in the conservative media and in embracing certain sections of the legal establishment that protects it.

Let's just wait and see what the ACT Integrity Commission comes up with in its investigation of Justice Wally Sofronoff whose so-called 'independent' inquiry has been so badly tarnished with allegations of collusion and inappropriate behaviour.

If that investigation dares to call out and take legal action against a former respected silk for his behaviour then maybe we have a chance of seeing the behaviour of media sycophants being called to account for their actions as well.

But I would not hold my breath.

The juror who caused the rapists trial to be abandoned should be in prison and then forced to pay back every cent of costs.
then be kicked until his arse bleeds, then deported.
Then his family should be deported.

 

[western royboy]

No chance of that in my view. Especially given Albrechtsen's role in the conservative media and in embracing certain sections of the legal establishment that protects it.

Let's just wait and see what the ACT Integrity Commission comes up with in its investigation of Justice Wally Sofronoff whose so-called 'independent' inquiry has been so badly tarnished with allegations of collusion and inappropriate behaviour.

If that investigation dares to call out and take legal action against a former respected silk for his behaviour then maybe we have a chance of seeing the behaviour of media sycophants being called to account for their actions as well.

But I would not hold my breath.

No chance in hell - rules don’t apply to Lawyers - Use Paul Brereton as a reference

 

[The Punter]

The juror who caused the rapists trial to be abandoned should be in prison and then forced to pay back every cent of costs.
then be kicked until his arse bleeds, then deported.
Then his family should be deported.

What if the juror was born here? What if the juror's parents were born here? What if the juror was indigenous?

 

[FIGJAM]

What if the juror was born here? What if the juror's parents were born here? What if the juror was indigenous?

I feel like Pie eyed might be a bit 'pie eyed' today post Oaks Day, if yesterday's demeanour and grammar is any indication!

It is however worth reading "the juror's" quotes and apologies in here, that were recorded in closed court:

Juror in Bruce Lehrmann trial ‘deeply sorry’ for causing mistrial

Documents show juror admitted conducting own research to ‘clarify a point’ during trial of ex-Liberal staffer, who pleaded not guilty

www.theguardian.com

 

[The Punter]

I feel like Pie eyed might be a bit 'pie eyed' today post Oaks Day, if yesterday's demeanour and grammar is any indication!

It is however worth reading "the juror's" quotes and apologies in here, that were recorded in closed court:

Juror in Bruce Lehrmann trial ‘deeply sorry’ for causing mistrial

Documents show juror admitted conducting own research to ‘clarify a point’ during trial of ex-Liberal staffer, who pleaded not guilty

www.theguardian.com

Look, the mistrial was a tragedy. I have no qualms about saying that, because it installed the worst possible outcome. Subsequent cases have gone some way to proving things but nothing will satisfy like a proper criminal verdict would.

I think you are being kind, FIGJAM. The overreaction was entirely in the character of the poster. But thanks for posting the link.

 

[FIGJAM]

Look, the mistrial was a tragedy. I have no qualms about saying that, because it installed the worst possible outcome. Subsequent cases have gone some way to proving things but nothing will satisfy like a proper criminal verdict would.

I fully agree The Punter (a namesake of a a fellow Launcestonian of the great man) and fully agree with Lee's verdict, which made the clear claim that I am in full agreement with that in all probability, Lehrmann r*ped Higgins.

Lee IMHO found the smoking gun that the criminal trial couldn't, which was to marry the original complaint from Higgins that Fiona Brown and Linda Reynolds literally took to the police, then separate the post David Sharaz-era negative influence, by finding her candid text discussion with her Dad in between these eras.

But the criminal trial failure was no major surprise IMV. They had to get a "beyond a reasonable doubt" in a scenario where that was particularly challenging.

I've been more than keen to discuss rape trials being inquisitorial versus adversarial. I'd be taking the 'Lee verdict' versus '12 of my peers' all day every day (both as an alleged victim and an alleged perpetrator).

 

[The Punter]

I fully agree The Punter (a namesake of a a fellow Launcestonian of the great man) and fully agree with Lee's verdict, which made the clear claim that I am in full agreement with that in all probability, Lehrmann r*ped Higgins.

Lee IMHO found the smoking gun that the criminal trial couldn't, which was to marry the original complaint from Higgins that Fiona Brown and Linda Reynolds literally took to the police, then separate the post David Sharaz-era negative influence, by finding her candid text discussion with her Dad in between these eras.

But the criminal trial failure was no major surprise IMV. They had to get a "beyond a reasonable doubt" in a scenario where that was particularly challenging.

I've been more than keen to discuss rape trials being inquisitorial versus adversarial. I'd be taking the 'Lee verdict' versus '12 of my peers' all day every day (both as an alleged victim and an alleged perpetrator).

I've bolded the part I'd like to respond to: the juror's behaviour means that the accusations were neither proven "beyond a reasonable doubt" or failed to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, which is an entirely unsatisfactory outcome. The points about judge/jury trials are well taken, especially in a context of sexual assault.

 

[FIGJAM]

I've bolded the part I'd like to respond to: the juror's behaviour means that the accusations were neither proven "beyond a reasonable doubt" or failed to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, which is an entirely unsatisfactory outcome. The points about judge/jury trials are well taken, especially in a context of sexual assault.

A lot of people have ripped into the one juror, but the mechanics of what happened are unknown.

People seem to default to there being just one stubborn arseh*le who wouldn't budge, but it was in Day 5 of deliberations, so who knows what the various votes were.

The one thing that is certain, and I say this knowing that I've been accused of victim blaming by some regular posters in here, is that Higgins and Sharaz's media blitz provided a significant amount of demonstrable lies that were easily exploited by Whybrow and cut to Higgins' credibility. And going to the police was a very late afterthought.

A lot want to blame the security guards, DPS, the cleaner, Brown, Reynolds, Drumgold, The Juror, Sofronoff, Albrechtsen etc. for the failure of justice in the criminal system, but it's just deflection away from the main failure.

 

[Pie eyed]

What if the juror was born here? What if the juror's parents were born here? What if the juror was indigenous?

Deport the cicksicking cints anyway.
No doubt they cint was born here.

That or life in prison getting what he / she deserves.

 

[The Punter]

Deport the cicksicking cints anyway.
No doubt they cint was born here.

That or life in prison getting what he / she deserves.

So deport them to a country against that country's will, like RFK did with Carlos Marcello in the early 1960s?

 

[Pie eyed]

So deport them to a country against that country's will, like RFK did with Carlos Marcello in the early 1960s?

I would rather something else but you get banned if you promote murder and such.