News Brynn Teakle signs with North Melbourne

[Dutchy5150]

Teakle performs like that in literally every AFL game he's played. And I do want him shot into the sun.

All 5 of them???

 

[Doctor Feel]

He is either the worst player to ever play for us, or he has the most ****ed up coaching and development in our history. Maybe its both.

The way we keep playing him is actually really repulsive. He is no where near it and as a professional organisation we should know that.

This isnt some "playing the kids" type shit, this is marching some bush league tier tall dude out to flail his limbs around and fall over alot.

Couple this with the conext of not playing Hayes, trading guys like Dougal, Ladhams and Frampton and its so bad it makes you screw your face up in awkward "wow thats really awkward" every time we go out with this guy as our ruck.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Honestly this isnt even about Hayes. Take him out of the equation and we are still here asking why the **** we are playing teakle. I would rather SPP and Wines back rucking with Finlayson than this shit. Its that ****ing bad.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Was it? We were 8 goals down at half time after complete midfield domination by Carlton. Pittonet had double Hayes disposals, double his clearances, more hitouts, double the score involvements.

If Teakle performed like that we’d want him shot into the sun

It was his first half of his first AFL game.

Some of the actual tapwork in that game was probably the best I've seen in the last decade at Port Adelaide. This is why stats are largely meaningless. Its not just "won hit out" or "lost hit out". Its what you actually do with your opportunities. Imagine the below taps with JHF roving them:

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Honestly this isnt even about Hayes. Take him out of the equation and we are still here asking why the * we are playing teakle. I would rather SPP and Wines back rucking with Finlayson than this s*t. Its that ****** bad.

You play a ruck to retain structure. We finished 11th with that part-timer garbage last year and were barely competitive against any half-decent team.

On Teakle, to me it kind of seems like we've just completely and utterly ****ed our ruck division, and now we've brought in a WAFL bloke to take the fall. He's getting criticism for stuff which isn't really his fault - he should be trying to get to a serviceable level in the SNAFL, but due to our poor list management we're throwing him in the deep end with sharks and saying sink or swim bro.

 

[Macca19]

If Hayes apparently wasn’t fit enough, that just made his 2021 dominant bnf season in the ruck for the Maggie’s, and seven afl games even more impressive

What the hell would he produce if he was fit?



Also, history has shown it’s immensely easier to get someone to improve their fitness by 5-15% than it is to teach someone how to football.


Much less a guy like teakle who needs to improve his football not 5-15% but like 80%.

He’s just such a raw prospect.


And as I’ve said many times here… the worst case scenario of backing in Hayes is that we fed 30 ish games into a plodding dinosaur ruck while Dante and teakle developed in the magpies, I just can’t see how that, as a worst case scenario is worse than what we have now.

Which is Hayes with both feet out the door and relying on a not remotely ready teakle for the rest of the year.

He won the BnF because he played 4-6-8 games more than the rest of the leaderboard (except 2nd place).

 

[philthy05]

He won the BnF because he played 4-6-8 games more than the rest of the leaderboard (except 2nd place).

Was still a dominant ruck at the level, as a what? 21/22 year old?

If he’s supposedly unfit then what kind of games would he produce if he was fit?

Dante, as promising as his competitive spirit is, hasn’t yet come close to that consistent form at the level of Hayes in 21.

Teakle, hasn’t come remotely close to showing the form in the magpies Hayes did in 2021.


As I’ve constantly brought up here… I’ve searched and searched for a ruck that has matched or beaten Hayes record of 47 hitouts in his first 5 games and can’t find anyone that has.

As I keep saying, even if at the absolute worst you believed Hayes was a plodding unfit dinosaur who is elite at hitouts …

… it’s still blindingly obvious that the best course… the only rational course… is to play the supposedly unfit, plodding elite hitout ruck while the two rucks who are miles behind his development develop more in the sanfl.

 

[Schulzenfest]

He won the BnF because he played 4-6-8 games more than the rest of the leaderboard (except 2nd place).

He won the B&F because he was our best player at the level. Are you ever going to stop being a simp and altering your opinions to match whatever dumb bullshit the club is pulling at any given time?

 

[Handyandy]

It was his first half of his first AFL game.

Some of the actual tapwork in that game was probably the best I've seen in the last decade at Port Adelaide. This is why stats are largely meaningless. Its not just "won hit out" or "lost hit out". Its what you actually do with your opportunities. Imagine the below taps with JHF roving them:

It was no coincidence that Rozee’s breakout move to the midfield coincided with Hayes finally getting a crack at ruck. His ruck craft, general field play and game sense is miles better than the trash teakle has ever served up.
I think that drafting teakle may have been Hinkleys idea so he is doubling down on a bad call.
Also it’s obvious that we don’t want a decent tap ruckman that puts the ball into space, that would open things up and put speed on the game, turn it into more of a shootout which is the last thing we want despite the fact we have decent outside mids now.
We want a negating ruck who drops the ball at his feet then competes, so clearances become a rugby scrimmage with our big inside mids. It worked well v saints with jhf burrowing in under the rucks feet but Essendon watched that tape and worked us out.

 

[Macca19]

Was still a dominant ruck at the level, as a what? 21/22 year old?

If he’s supposedly unfit then what kind of games would he produce if he was fit?

Dante, as promising as his competitive spirit is, hasn’t yet come close to that consistent form at the level of Hayes in 21.

Teakle, hasn’t come remotely close to showing the form in the magpies Hayes did in 2021.


As I’ve constantly brought up here… I’ve searched and searched for a ruck that has matched or beaten Hayes record of 47 hitouts in his first 5 games and can’t find anyone that has.

As I keep saying, even if at the absolute worst you believed Hayes was a plodding unfit dinosaur who is elite at hitouts …

… it’s still blindingly obvious that the best course… the only rational course… is to play the supposedly unfit, plodding elite hitout ruck while the two rucks who are miles behind his development develop more in the sanfl.

Hes not fit now. Thats what matters.

 

[Macca19]

He won the B&F because he was our best player at the level. Are you ever going to stop being a simp and altering your opinions to match whatever dumb bullshit the club is pulling at any given time?

Ive been the biggest Sam Hayes fan boy on here since before he was drafted. Was stoked when he finally got a go. Now hes checked out and is playing shit football, is not fit enough and thats why hes not getting a go. Wouldn’t have thought it was that difficult to understand, if that makes me a simp then so be it

 

[HugeJohnson]

Honestly the way some people talk about Sam Hayes on here you'd think he was the second coming of Dean Cox

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. In reality he's not even at the level of Brent Renouf

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[Schulzenfest]

Ive been the biggest Sam Hayes fan boy on here since before he was drafted. Was stoked when he finally got a go. Now hes checked out and is playing s**t football, is not fit enough and thats why hes not getting a go. Wouldn’t have thought it was that difficult to understand, if that makes me a simp then so be it

That's an absolute textbook example of being a simp. "I used to think Sam Hayes was great, but mastercoach Ken Hinkley decided he doesn't rate him anymore so now I don't rate him anymore either". Textbook example of your rampant club apologist behaviour.

And why exactly did he 'check out'? Did he just decide randomly that he no longer wants to be an AFL footballer? Or has he checked out because of the club's treatment of him? If you spent two years treating your best employee at the chip shop like shit while giving better opportunities to worse employees and his output dropped as a result, is that his fault or yours?

What benefit do we get from Teakle's supposed fitness advantage over Hayes when Teakle's opponent has been our opposition's best or second best player in literally every full game of AFL football Teakle has played, as judged by both statistics and the coaches votes?

 

[Windy Cindy]

And why exactly did he 'check out'? Did he just decide randomly that he no longer wants to be an AFL footballer? Or has he checked out because of the club's treatment of him?

What benefit do we get from Teakle's supposed fitness advantage over Hayes when Teakle's opponent has been our opposition's best or second best player in literally every full game of AFL football Teakle has played, as judged by both statistics and the coaches votes?

goldstein to break all records this week.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

My timeline on Hayes:

2021: Brilliant, can't wait

2022: Unless there is some outside event which is being kept under wraps (and probably even still if there was), it was possibly the worst management of any player I've ever seen at any club in my entire time watching AFL. Absolutely disgraceful and multiple people should have been sacked for that alone. Not only destroyed our 2022 season, but ruined our ruck stocks entirely and created a huge gaping hole in our list which if it isn't resolved could singlehandedly spoil what should be an upcoming "premiership window". As midfield line manager, I was actually ok with Monty leaving for this fact alone.

2023: Its over, time to move on as there is no point living in the past. Teakle is the stop gap, Dante is the best chance we have long-term if we can't trade or mid-season a good option. I'd really love to see Dante given a chance before the bye just so we know where he is at.

Edit: I should say here that Teakle is "likely" the stop gap. I'd absolutely love him to come on and surprise everyone and I haven't given up on that happening.

 

[backtozero]

And why exactly did he 'check out'? Did he just decide randomly that he no longer wants to be an AFL footballer? Or has he checked out because of the club's treatment of him? If you spent two years treating your best employee at the chip shop like s**t while giving pay rises to worse employees and his output dropped as a result, is that his fault or yours?

What benefit do we get from Teakle's supposed fitness advantage over Hayes when Teakle's opponent has been our opposition's best or second best player in literally every full game of AFL football Teakle has played, as judged by both statistics and the coaches votes?

If you agree that he's checked out then it's pointless cheerleading for inclusion.

 

[Schulzenfest]

If you agree that he's checked out then it's pointless cheerleading for inclusion.

He's checked out because we've treated him like absolute shit. Stop treating him like absolute shit. Check him back in. Tell him he's #1 ruck in the SANFL this week and if he performs then he's in the AFL side the week after.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Hayes which isn't easily fixable. All we have to do is want to fix it.

 

[backtozero]

He's checked out because we've treated him like absolute s**t. Stop treating him like absolute s**t. Check him back in. Tell him he's #1 ruck in the SANFL this week and if he performs then he's in the AFL side the week after.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Hayes which isn't easily fixable. All we have to do is want to fix it.

You're overlooking the point about not being fit enough.

If he's not fit enough to carry the ruck in the sanfl then he's not fit enough to carry it in the AFL.

What he did in 2021 is irrelevant now.

Teakle can cover the ground every week. Yes he has a lot to learn but that's what we're going with right now.

 

[Janus]

ITT: People who understand that the modern ruck needs to do more than just ruck vs those that don't.

Ask yourself the question why a ruck who was highly rated in his draft year by most amateur pundits fell all the way to our pick at 47. The days of clubs completely ****ing up on elite talent like that are over - picks in the third round are speculative picks that have some kind of issue that the club thinks they can rectify in a professional environment.

The guy has all the skills, he just doesn't have the drive or mental application to make it professionally.

When Geelong passed on him and selected Charlie Constable

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instead, that should have raised immediate red flags. Imagine a Geelong team with the Hayes that people in this thread believe actually exists. Then come back to reality - they didn't pick him because they knew it doesn't.

 

[Schulzenfest]

ITT: People who understand that the modern ruck needs to do more than just ruck vs those that don't.

Teakle doesn't do more than just ruck though. And he also doesn't ruck.

 

[Schulzenfest]

You're overlooking the point about not being fit enough.

If he's not fit enough to carry the ruck in the sanfl then he's not fit enough to carry it in the AFL.

What he did in 2021 is irrelevant now.

Teakle can cover the ground every week. Yes he has a lot to learn but that's what we're going with right now.

Do we actually know that he's not physically fit enough though?

As Darren Burgess always used to emphasise, there's a massive mental aspect to fitness as well. Hayes is mentally shot (and has every right to be given the way he's been treated). Fix that, and maybe the physical side of things follows. It's at least worth a shot when the alternative is the worst ruckman to ever play for the Power.

 

[philthy05]

Ive been the biggest Sam Hayes fan boy on here since before he was drafted. Was stoked when he finally got a go. Now hes checked out and is playing s**t football, is not fit enough and thats why hes not getting a go. Wouldn’t have thought it was that difficult to understand, if that makes me a simp then so be it

If what you’re suggesting here is that he came back this year unfit, that doesn’t explain why we abandoned him last year, and is a horrible indictment on our coaches.

I reckon he’s checked out too. That doesn’t make this any less of a monumental **** up.

 

[yepits2020]

If a player ‘checks out’, then it is in the coaches. I think some of the players knew that Lycett was not performing but was continually selected. Ladhams I think asked about being first ruck but was told that it would be Lycett. I have hinted in the past about his continual selection over other potential rucks.

 

[backtozero]

Do we actually know that he's not physically fit enough though?

As Darren Burgess always used to emphasise, there's a massive mental aspect to fitness as well. Hayes is mentally shot (and has every right to be given the way he's been treated). Fix that, and maybe the physical side of things follows. It's at least worth a shot when the alternative is the worst ruckman to ever play for the Power.

Do we know that Hinkley hates his guts and vice-versa? No, everybody is speculating. It's clear that Visentini is being groomed as the no.1 ruck while Sam is sucking darts in the off-season.

 

[philthy05]

Do we know that Hinkley hates his guts and vice-versa? No, everybody is speculating. It's clear that Visentini is being groomed as the no.1 ruck while Sam is sucking darts in the off-season.

We’re no more sure Dante’s being groomed than Hayes or Ladhams were.


Also, dante is so far away from being ready to be a lead ruckman.

What’s our plan? Get killed every week in the ruck for who knows how long?

If only we had a suitable stop gap until then….