News Brynn Teakle signs with North Melbourne

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looks at "only 3 marks" and thinks "I took 4 in 5 games this year".

 

[Tibbs]

I have literally never seen a Brynn Teakle hit out to advantage, let alone 8 per game. Are they counting when he hits it to the opposition's advantage? Definitely saw a few of them.

You literally havent been looking then.

He hit a number toward our mids, who fluffed it completely. One time butters runs right over the ball, and another time Wines does the same, with the ball cleanly picked up by a bomber who waltzed forward. A couple on the weekend went directly to our mids for a clearance - video below. Some of his in-field play somehow goes unnoticed by the critics, such as the clever goal-assist below. There are other examples too!

The big issue from rewatching the games is that there is no connection between him & our mids. In fact on the weekend, Essendon's mids seem to read his taps better than our lads. We can also blame the mids for this, but in reality it is the situation that has been thrust on them, with them not having trained together.

It will take time, but IMO he has the potential to be better than Ladhams & Frampton, who have become regular AFL ruckmen.

 

[HinkleysHeroes]

You literally havent been looking then.

He hit a number toward our mids, who fluffed it completely. One time butters runs right over the ball, and another time Wines does the same, with the ball cleanly picked up by a bomber who waltzed forward. A couple on the weekend went directly to our mids for a clearance - video below. Some of his in-field play somehow goes unnoticed by the critics, such as the clever goal-assist below. There are other examples too!

The big issue from rewatching the games is that there is no connection between him & our mids. In fact on the weekend, Essendon's mids seem to read his taps better than our lads. We can also blame the mids for this, but in reality it is the situation that has been thrust on them, with them not having trained together.

It will take time, but IMO he has the potential to be better than Ladhams & Frampton, who have become regular AFL ruckmen.

Now post all the horrible stuff he did

 

[Tibbs]

Now post all the horrible stuff he did

Stupid post!

Tossers calling him the 'worst Port player ever,' have their heads up their arse!

 

[Duckimus Prime]

The first highlight is a clear hit out to advantage to Drew where he then get caught HTB. You’re suggesting that’s somehow Hayes fault ?

Watch that again and imagine hits outs like that going to Rozee and Horne Francis.

No what I'm pointing out is the little thing that shows up between that hit out and the next centre ruck contest. The things that aren't shown in a highlight reel. The fact that in between the two centre bounce highlights, Carlton scored 3 goals from stoppages.

And Port scored a goal from a turnover. And in fact, there's actually three centre bounces in between the two highlights. Wonder why they're not shown? Because Carlton waltzed the ball out of the centre square?

 

[Peninsula Boy]

When it comes down to it, Brynn is going to get games. We are borderline optionless.
There is obviously a lot of poor coaching and list management to have last year's MSD being our number 1 option.

The thing about Brynn and good luck to the young guy is that he is 23 and not only still learning his ruck craft but it seems his football craft as well. Josh Carr

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likes his leap. That is not a ringing endorsement.
We are giving games to a player who doesn't seem have a lot of potential.
It is kinda like watching Sam Gray

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getting games.

He was terrible on the weekend but as many have stated, the midfield wasn't the best early. I will say this and I said it in another thread. When you play midfield, you gain or lose confidence based on the ruck duel. As a midfield, you want the ball on a platter or at the very least, breaking even. You want to go head to head with your direct opponent. When a ruck dominates, it is twofold because one side gains tremendous confidence they will get the ball and the other side loses confidence and needs to play the man rather than the ball. This sort of thing doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

A good example of this is I think Teakle gets the tap but he puts it down the throat of an Essendon player, Draper receives the handball and no one is chasing, Brynn seems to have no idea what is going on, Draper handpasses it to Hobbs

And another thing, if we still had Ladhams and he wasn't dominating, we would be complaining about that.

On game day, if Teakle continues to play, I will still cheer and hope the best for him but I am hoping we are eyeing off a ruck on another team for a 2nd rounder in the offseason.

 

[Del165198]

When it comes down to it, Brynn is going to get games. We are borderline optionless.
There is obviously a lot of poor coaching and list management to have last year's MSD being our number 1 option.

The thing about Brynn and good luck to the young guy is that he is 23 and not only still learning his ruck craft but it seems his football craft as well. Josh Carr likes his leap. That is not a ringing endorsement.
We are giving games to a player who doesn't seem have a lot of potential.
It is kinda like watching Sam Gray getting games.

He was terrible on the weekend but as many have stated, the midfield wasn't the best early. I will say this and I said it in another thread. When you play midfield, you gain or lose confidence based on the ruck duel. As a midfield, you want the ball on a platter or at the very least, breaking even. You want to go head to head with your direct opponent. When a ruck dominates, it is twofold because one side gains tremendous confidence they will get the ball and the other side loses confidence and needs to play the man rather than the ball. This sort of thing doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

A good example of this is I think Teakle gets the tap but he puts it down the throat of an Essendon player, Draper receives the handball and no one is chasing, Brynn seems to have no idea what is going on, Draper handpasses it to Hobbs

And another thing, if we still had Ladhams and he wasn't dominating, we would be complaining about that.

On game day, if Teakle continues to play, I will still cheer and hope the best for him but I am hoping we are eyeing off a ruck on another team for a 2nd rounder in the offseason.

Sam Gray was a competent, skilful (at times) AFL footballer. He was just short.

Teakle does not look AFL standard at all

 

[Coobk001]

Sam Hayes played 7 games last year, averaged 29 hit outs per game, 9.3 to advantage at 31.7% and 7.7 disposals.

Brynn Teakle has played 3 games this year, averaged 22 hitouts per game, 8.3 to advantage at 37.9% and 9.7 disposals.

Somehow this makes Brynn Teakle the worst ruckman in the history of football and Sam Hayes the saviour of Port's ruck situation.

I get that Teakle is not a great ruck option - we've been through how Port has stuffed the ruck situation and Brynn has had almost zero preparation before being thrown into the ruck this year. But the level of hysteria about his performances is extraordinary in some cases.

What was the opposition ruck mans impact in those games? Hit outs to advantage? Centre clearance stats?

Say what you want about Teakle, but for a guy whose played the game all his life, he looks more like a new US/Irish recruit. Looks completely lost out there, exhibiting not much more than just athleticism.

 

[1954]

C'mon now, I don't exactly know what the AFL are classing as hitouts to advantage, or where you even got that stat from, but here's a reminder of what advantage is in case you forgot.



I've never seen Teakle hitout to advantage like this. and know that it could be JHF on the end instead of Drew is why I am so sad about the whole situation.

That was definitely an extremely promising debut by Hayes and a performance the current ruck coach could have only dreamt about for himself, but he is now unfortunately barely a shadow of the player he looked like he could have become.

As to why we he has fallen so far down the totem pole at Alberton we as supporters will probably never know, but you would have to at least suspect his confidence and/or motivation have been destroyed by someone, or something.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

What was the opposition ruck mans impact in those games?

Around BOG.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Sort of where Georgiades season ending injury hurts.

Can plug Finlayson/Dixon rotating main rucks without losing structure

 

[Macca19]

You actually just make s**t up.

No, we did. We tested the waters, there were no takers

 

[Macca19]

That was definitely an extremely promising debut by Hayes and a performance the current ruck coach could have only dreamt about for himself, but he is now unfortunately barely a shadow of the player he looked like he could have become.

As to why we he has fallen so far down the totem pole at Alberton we as supporters will probably never know, but you would have to at least suspect his confidence and/or motivation have been destroyed by someone, or something.

Its simple. Hes not fit enough. He cant run out sanfl games, let alone afl games. Thats all it is

 

[Macca19]

That was definitely an extremely promising debut by Hayes.

Was it? We were 8 goals down at half time after complete midfield domination by Carlton. Pittonet had double Hayes disposals, double his clearances, more hitouts, double the score involvements.

If Teakle performed like that we’d want him shot into the sun

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Sort of where Georgiades season ending injury hurts.

Can plug Finlayson/Dixon rotating main rucks without losing structure

Georgiades's injury is irrelevant to whether we ruck Dixon because Dixon is injured. He hurt his knee having to ruck in the Bulldogs game because Lycett was getting flogged by English.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Was it? We were 8 goals down at half time after complete midfield domination by Carlton. Pittonet had double Hayes disposals, double his clearances, more hitouts, double the score involvements.

If Teakle performed like that we’d want him shot into the sun

Teakle performs like that in literally every AFL game he's played. And I do want him shot into the sun.

 

[theouthouse]

Between Hayes and Teakle they both have advantages/disadvantages statwise.

It has to come down to time on ground and who can compete for longer without sitting on the pine for a breather and screwing up workloads and rotations.

Essentially is the 5 minutes of extra fatigue per game for each of your midfielders worse than losing a few centre clearances, roughly about 3-4 goals with a higher injury risk per midfielder.

On a side note Brynn Teakle gets called Bin chicken in my head quite a lot.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

Sam Hayes played 7 games last year, averaged 29 hit outs per game, 9.3 to advantage at 31.7% and 7.7 disposals.

Brynn Teakle has played 3 games this year, averaged 22 hitouts per game, 8.3 to advantage at 37.9% and 9.7 disposals.

Somehow this makes Brynn Teakle the worst ruckman in the history of football and Sam Hayes the saviour of Port's ruck situation.

I get that Teakle is not a great ruck option - we've been through how Port has stuffed the ruck situation and Brynn has had almost zero preparation before being thrown into the ruck this year. But the level of hysteria about his performances is extraordinary in some cases.

That's a dogshit comparison. Teakle has played 3 games. He filled his boots (hitouts wise) against the same guy that Hayes annihilated last year. Bailey Williams still cut him up around the ground and was one of the BOG. In his other 2 games Marshall and Draper would have been close to BOG. Hayes did better against both the WC and Essendon Ruckman last year. He was put to the sword with a Marshall/compbell combo. Teakle was put to the sword by Marshall by himself. Hayes put up credible performances against Pittonet (who is a decent ruckman), Goldstein (who admittedly was first game back), and pumped Bailey and whichever spud WB's sent out against him. For all the discussion of Hayes around the ground work and fitness, last year against Essendon he played exactly the same gametime as Draper and Phillips, 66%. Philips 21 hitouts, 7 disposals 1 goal, Draper 16 hitouts, 7 disposals. Hayes 6 disposals, 21 hitouts. In the same game dixon had 4 hitouts, SPP 3, Finlayson 2. Hayes put up more hitouts to advantage than Philips/ Draper combined.

When Teakle's played, his opponent has got 21 disp (Williams), 26 (Marshall), 16 (Draper)/Phillips 9.
When Hayes played, the same opponents have got: 9 disposals (Williams), Ryder (8 disposals), 7 each (philips/draper).

So the one thing that Hayes is apparently not good at (i.e getting around the ground and not allowing the opposition to play through their ruck), he's better at than Teakle.

People were telling me Blicavs smashed him.
Hayes 35 hitouts, 10 disposals, 5 clearances, 65 metres gained, 1 goal assist on 70% game time.
Blicavs 31 hitouts, 18 disposals, 9 clearances, 158 metres gained, 0 assists on 90% game time.

So Blicavs had a bunch of low hurt factor possessions on him, in the extra fifth of a game he played, as the undisputed fittest ruckman (and probably player) in the competition.

So in summary, Teakle hasn't won a single ruck battle (in hitouts), has been absolutely demolished around the ground, and is no better in disposals/ general football skills than Hayes.

Hayes is a hitout king, demolished opponents teakle lost to, evened out opponents teakle lost to, and beat almost every ruckman he went up against (in hitouts) and rarely got badly hurt around the ground which is the accusation/ knock on his game.

The sub rule is perfect for him now. Get him to dominate the ruck for 3/4's until he's cooked, sub out and rotate dixon/Finlayson when their around the ground work will stand out the most. Repeat until Hayes is fit enough to run out a game. Or we can keep on accepting that the opposition ruckman is going to be one of the best players on the ground every week that Teakle plays.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

Sam Gray was a competent, skilful (at times) AFL footballer. He was just short.

Teakle does not look AFL standard at all

I really don't understand the Sam Gray hate. In his last 5 seasons for port, he averaged 21/22 disposals as a mid in 15/16, then 17.8 disp/1.2 goals, 15.4/1.1, 17.4/1.0. SPPs averaging 15.0/1.3 this year and we want to make him captain (they are both effort based defensive forwards). Gray would get a game for us right now in any of those 5 years.

 

[philthy05]

Its simple. Hes not fit enough. He cant run out sanfl games, let alone afl games. Thats all it is

If Hayes apparently wasn’t fit enough, that just made his 2021 dominant bnf season in the ruck for the Maggie’s, and seven afl games even more impressive

What the hell would he produce if he was fit?



Also, history has shown it’s immensely easier to get someone to improve their fitness by 5-15% than it is to teach someone how to football.


Much less a guy like teakle who needs to improve his football not 5-15% but like 80%.

He’s just such a raw prospect.


And as I’ve said many times here… the worst case scenario of backing in Hayes is that we fed 30 ish games into a plodding dinosaur ruck while Dante and teakle developed in the magpies, I just can’t see how that, as a worst case scenario is worse than what we have now.

Which is Hayes with both feet out the door and relying on a not remotely ready teakle for the rest of the year.

 

[Waspy79]

Teakle getting the gold pass treatment never afforded a higher performing Hayes.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

It's not just about what our ruckman is doing, it's about what his opponent is doing. Opposition ruckmen have been among the best players for our opponents each week Teakle has been in.

He's trying hard but he's had less than 12 months in the AFL system. Way too green to be given the responsibility he has been.

Isn’t that the entire point of a mid season pick - plug and play?

Not like you draft many 18 year old project players.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Isn’t that the entire point of a mid season pick - plug and play?

Not like you draft many 18 year old project players.

Theoretically yes, but it's more difficult with talls. A small forward could come into a team and contribute at a decent level immediately but talls, apart from the absolute elite, take time. Teakle is very green and has been chucked in the deep end to carry our ruck division and it shows.

 

[Revan11]

Is Teakle dropped yet?

 

[Freak Dodgeball Accident]

Teakle getting the gold pass treatment never afforded a higher performing Hayes.

It's the mid season draft effect. We also pumped games into Sutcliffe and MacNCheese (who has slowly started to come on) when their form didn't warrant it. Would have been nice if Hayes, Garner, Frampton etc were persisted with like the mid seasoners.