News Brynn Teakle signs with North Melbourne

[Windy Cindy]

He's awful c'mon man

Totally agree, not sure what people are seeing, he almost cost us a game and will in the future. not much point in trying to make a case for why he might be serviceable. He's not up to it. make the call stick him back in sanfl and delist at end of year. Stop wasting time on non standard afl footballers

elite midfields will exploit the dominance and destroy us and not let us back in the game.

we turn 20 points down to melb/geelong/Collingwood at quarter time and theres no coming back.

 

[Sir Watchalot]

I couldn't understand why he stuck with the run-and-jump approach at centre bounces. Finlayson didn't - he routinely took the angle, or forced his opponent to take the body.

It's hard to imagine that Hinkley and Carr and Lobbe were happy with how Teakle was faring at centre bounce. For him not try a different approach (or not be instructed to try something different) for the whole game was baffling.

When Draper (24 hitouts) and Phillips (21 hitouts) rucked Finlayson (0 hitouts*) didn't do any better than Teakle (14 hitouts). Though Finlayson did do a bit better in getting hold of the ball immediately post-tap.
I've just watched the replay with a real focus on the rucking duels. Never any doubt Draper would look better stats wise. But a few of those wins were simply the taller, heavier Draper getting his hand to the ball first and often Teakle was at least able to stop Draper tapping it in a controlled way. I acknowledge hitouts as a stat (see Footywire) aren't the greatest way of judging a player's value but it's something. I'd thought live and watching the replay that Teakle had held his own v Phillips so Phillips high hitout numbers was interesting.
* that was a surprise

 

[mrsdew17]

Wow. There are so many sad & negative comments about Brynn here. Seriously, the guy has only played 5 AFL games (do you actually really count his debut game??)

Give the guy a break. No pleasing some people.

Also, this criticising players with less than double digit number of games is not constructive at all. He's a work in progress. Seen plenty of posts here about other newbie players eg. Dylan Williams, where people here wanted to send them to the slaughterhouse after a handful of AFL games. Calm down.

..."Stop wasting time on non standard afl footballers..." Some take time to develop, some are quicker than others.

Heck, even the great Stuart Dew

Stuart Dew

Age

45

Ht

183cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

9.1

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.8

4star

took a few years to really get going

 

[Windy Cindy]

Wow. There are so many sad & negative comments about Brynn here. Seriously, the guy has only played 5 AFL games (do you actually really count his debut game??)

Give the guy a break. No pleasing some people.

Also, this criticising players with less than double digit number of games is not constructive at all. He's a work in progress. Seen plenty of posts here about other newbie players eg. Dylan Williams, where people here wanted to send them to the slaughterhouse after a handful of AFL games. Calm down.

..."Stop wasting time on non standard afl footballers..." Some take time to develop, some are quicker than others.

Heck, even the great Stuart Dew took a few years to really get going

he's a list clogger and we have a few of those we don't need any more.

 

[Sir Watchalot]

Correct. On paper you lose the centre clearances 7-0 in a quarter and it looks horrendous. You watch the game and see how they happened, and the mids were equally at fault for not getting it out of there as Teakle was. Teakle won 5 of those 7 hitouts. 1 went down the throat of Parish which was ugly. 1 went to Stringer who was on the move whilst our mids had concrete boots on. The 3 others he found midfielders who then coughed up the ball.

He's worth the time. I reckon there's something there. It's not costing us games. He's worth giving time to

I think our mids in the 1st quarter were a lot more than equally at fault with Teakle and Finlayson for the clearance debacle. It was hard to fathom live and even harder on watching the replay. I don't recall anything like that, where sometimes we weren't even on the TV screen once Essendon tapped it down.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Just heard Champion Data's Daniel Hoyne do his Tuesday stats segment on SEN. Did his top 10 player rankings, the Bont is way out in front at 1st.

Talked about rucks and brought up Finlayson. Then compared their centre bounce results.

Teakle in ruck centre clearance wins 19 v 35 lost
Finlayson in ruck centre clearance wins 19 v 13 lost and he was won several of those 19.

Teakle isn't useless, but he has to reduce that gap substantially if we are going to keep rucking him. 24 v 30 is the sort of result we need from him in this 6-6-6 era.

 

[agmsy]

When Draper (24 hitouts) and Phillips (21 hitouts) rucked Finlayson (0 hitouts*) didn't do any better than Teakle (14 hitouts). Though Finlayson did do a bit better in getting hold of the ball immediately post-tap.

I think this ...

Teakle in ruck centre clearance wins 19 v 35 lost
Finlayson in ruck centre clearance wins 19 v 13 lost and he was won several of those 19.

... is the result of Teakle setting up the way he did.

Hitouts isn't the most insightful stat for rucks, because you can tap down a lot of garbage.

Hitouts to advantage is ok.
Centre clearance wins is good.
Score involvements is good.
Intercept possessions (marks particularly) is good.

Teakle's absolutely at sea with all of them.

 

[Bevoman]

Id love to see the same for Pete Ladhams first 7 games as an actual ruck.



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Why? Ladhams is long gone.
When the Swans first asked about the contracted Ladhams, their trade bait was Aliir Aliir.
We said no; and instead traded in Aliir for a future second.

The next year Ladham was out of contract and asked for a big pay rise
And we all know what happened next.

 

[Bevoman]

Yep. People were seeing Teakle in the ruck, seeing us lose the clearance but not making sense of what was happening.

A few times Teakle and Draper touched the ball at the same time, but at their feet an Essendon mid would swoop in and take it. We were also running back hard into defensive 50 immediately, while they were setting up two or three loose players at the back of the square, ready for the quick handball receive where they could then launch inside 50.

The Bombers were playing an extra around the ball (on the outside), leaving us with a spare defender.
It was Butters and not the ruck that changed the game in the second qtr where suddnelky the other mids started being defensive.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Why? Ladhams is long gone.
When the Swans first asked about the contracted Ladhams, their trade bait was Aliir Aliir.
We said no; and instead traded in Aliir for a future second.

The next year Ladham was out of contract and asked for a big pay rise
And we all know what happened next.

Because Ladhams was a similar style of ruckman and many are lamenting we lost him.

Given the same amount of development I'm tipping Teakle will be a better 1st ruck.

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[Bevoman]

He stays until Melb in 2 weeks time. Not great but I think Lycett must come back for that game. Play both in that game with the view to subbing of one of them later in game.

Yes; we need two rucks against the Dees.
Jeremy should only pinch hit in the ruck; we need his golden boot in the forward line.

Maybe Lord could be the sub this week; back up ruck and an option to take Charlie off (in the third qtr).

 

[Bevoman]

I like to think Josh Carr is white anting the position to make room for Sean Darcy

If Darcy leaves Freo he will end up at Geelong (where all the ex-Falcons go home to play).

 

[NoddyHolder]

Why? Ladhams is long gone.
When the Swans first asked about the contracted Ladhams, their trade bait was Aliir Aliir.
We said no; and instead traded in Aliir for a future second.

The next year Ladham was out of contract and asked for a big pay rise
And we all know what happened next.

I thought they asked about Sam Hayes and we said no. Ladhams was their second preference. In hindsight we should have traded Hayes, seeing as we won't play him

 

[Bevoman]

I think our mids in the 1st quarter were a lot more than equally at fault with Teakle and Finlayson for the clearance debacle. It was hard to fathom live and even harder on watching the replay. I don't recall anything like that, where sometimes we weren't even on the TV screen once Essendon tapped it down.

Plus he took a grab in defence and by going forward, stopped Draper from double teaming King Charlie.

 

[Econopower]

Sam Hayes played 7 games last year, averaged 29 hit outs per game, 9.3 to advantage at 31.7% and 7.7 disposals.

Brynn Teakle has played 3 games this year, averaged 22 hitouts per game, 8.3 to advantage at 37.9% and 9.7 disposals.

Somehow this makes Brynn Teakle the worst ruckman in the history of football and Sam Hayes the saviour of Port's ruck situation.

I get that Teakle is not a great ruck option - we've been through how Port has stuffed the ruck situation and Brynn has had almost zero preparation before being thrown into the ruck this year. But the level of hysteria about his performances is extraordinary in some cases.

Great post and all the more credible because you were one of the people pushing for Hayes’s inclusion in the past.

 

[Bevoman]

I thought they asked about Sam Hayes and we said no. Ladhams was their second preference. In hindsight we should have traded Hayes, seeing as we won't play him

Arh, hindsight where we all become experts.

We tried to trade Hayes back to Victoria at the end of last year, but there were no takers.
Our plan at the time, was make Brody Grundy an offer he couldn't refuse.

I guess the verdict was made after his six games in last year where he came in for Lycett in Round 5 and put up some decent displays, including a 47-hit-out performance against the beleaguered Eagles in Round 6. He kept his spot in the side until Round 11 where he was then omitted for the newly arrived Finlayson and mid-season pickup Teakle.

Since then it has been our preferred ruck with a big chop out form Charlie.
Apparently, Carr our new mid Coach, is impressed with Teakle's leap.

The last chance saloon could be to grab former Sydney ruckman Sam Naismith who is running around with the other Port, Port Melbourne.
Where he is averaging a hopping 52 hitouts a game on top of 3.5 tackles, 0.5 goals and 8 disposals.

I know he aged 30 and had some knees problems but this is what Geelong do nearly every year (grab a spare ruckman from another club).
An ideal interim solution for the next 18 months, with no Lycett next year it would assist the development of our youg rucks like Dante.
https://www.zerohanger.com/afl/players/sam-hayes/?spotlight

 

[NoddyHolder]

Arh, hindsight where we all become experts.

Using the term hindsight doesn't mean I've changed my opinion on the player. And the turkeys responsible for the decision didn't need hindsight. If they didn't believe he would make it they should have pulled the trigger. To keep him but refuse to continue to invest in his development after his very promising initial performances is mental.

 

[Jason K]

And yet when we get beaten in clearances, like we were by Essendon in the first quarter it's all on Teakle.

It's ridiculous. Our on-ball runners were as much to blame for the poor start as the ruckman.

C'mon now, I don't exactly know what the AFL are classing as hitouts to advantage, or where you even got that stat from, but here's a reminder of what advantage is in case you forgot.



I've never seen Teakle hitout to advantage like this. and know that it could be JHF on the end instead of Drew is why I am so sad about the whole situation.

 

[Jason K]

We tried to trade Hayes back to Victoria at the end of last year, but there were no takers.

You actually just make shit up.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Sam Hayes played 7 games last year, averaged 29 hit outs per game, 9.3 to advantage at 31.7% and 7.7 disposals.

Brynn Teakle has played 3 games this year, averaged 22 hitouts per game, 8.3 to advantage at 37.9% and 9.7 disposals.

Somehow this makes Brynn Teakle the worst ruckman in the history of football and Sam Hayes the saviour of Port's ruck situation.

I get that Teakle is not a great ruck option - we've been through how Port has stuffed the ruck situation and Brynn has had almost zero preparation before being thrown into the ruck this year. But the level of hysteria about his performances is extraordinary in some cases.

It's not just about what our ruckman is doing, it's about what his opponent is doing. Opposition ruckmen have been among the best players for our opponents each week Teakle has been in.

He's trying hard but he's had less than 12 months in the AFL system. Way too green to be given the responsibility he has been.

 

[Revan11]

It’s a travesty Hayes was never persisted with. Natural ruckman with great craft, Teakle has half the talent.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

C'mon now, I don't exactly know what the AFL are classing as hitouts to advantage, or where you even got that stat from, but here's a reminder of what advantage is in case you forgot.



I've never seen Teakle hitout to advantage like this. and know that it could be JHF on the end instead of Drew is why I am so sad about the whole situation.

Sam Hayes highlights includes the stats pointing out that Carlton scored their first three goals from stoppages... Guess what happens at stoppages?

 

[JUSTWORK]

Sam Hayes highlights includes the stats pointing out that Carlton scored their first three goals from stoppages... Guess what happens at stoppages?

The first highlight is a clear hit out to advantage to Drew where he then get caught HTB. You’re suggesting that’s somehow Hayes fault ?

Watch that again and imagine hits outs like that going to Rozee and Horne Francis.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Give the guy a break. No pleasing some people.

'No pleasing some people'.

Literally every one of his direct opponents has played statistically the best game of their career or close to it against him and has received the most or equal most coaches votes for their team that week. How bad exactly does he have to be before you think we should stop being pleased with him?

Sam Hayes played 7 games last year, averaged 29 hit outs per game, 9.3 to advantage at 31.7% and 7.7 disposals.

Brynn Teakle has played 3 games this year, averaged 22 hitouts per game, 8.3 to advantage at 37.9% and 9.7 disposals.

Now do Hayes' direct opponents versus Teakle's direct opponents.

 

[Sir Watchalot]

Plus he took a grab in defence and by going forward, stopped Draper from double teaming King Charlie.

Yeah, only 3 marks but that was a good one.