News Brynn Teakle signs with North Melbourne

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Tibbs said:
Then why dont you shut the **** up, instead of cheerleading the vitriol against him!
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It's not vitriol. People are fed up with the ridiculous selection that goes on in our club. The fact that Teakle is playing in our AFL side is nothing short of crazy.

Jonts said:
Yeah agreed, but also he is meant to be a professional
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What is he doing that's not professional? He's still playing well in the SANFL. His body language isn't great but he's still easily the best ruckman at the club.
 
philthy05 said:
I think what’s become very clear over the years is that Hinkleys strength is player relationships, and that he’s a tactical dunce.
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It may be a strength but it's also a major flaw e.g he is set on picking some players regardless of form due to his relationships and he won't pick some players regardless of form due to his relationships. He's actually pig headed stubborn in this regard, to the point everyone can see it bar his apologists.
 

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Macca19 said:
All this "Teakle experiment" has shown to me is just how redundant ruckmen are in the game at the moment. 56 hitouts to 11 or whatever it was and Port still won the clearances today.

Doesn't matter who we play in the ruck next week, playing against the best dual ruck combo in the games history will be ugly on paper.
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This logic doesn’t make sense

Larkey kicked 4 goals, the most on the ground today… but Roos lost.

Is kicking goals overrated?

Rucks aren’t overrated, port were just that much better than a totally shithouse north that a rucks dominance can’t single handedly win north the game.

Also, yeah Gawn and Grundy are going to spank us.

I don’t see how the logical thing is to abandon playing a competitive ruck.

Oliver will get bulk clearances… the solution isn’t to play hugh Jackson.


I’m resigned to us playing teakle. We’re in a cluster**** of our own making and we’re going to ride it to the inevitable conclusion, where we get told that we did our best and someone had to lose on the road to pissing away some of the best talent we’ve had on our list in the afl era.
 
Jason K said:
It's not vitriol. People are fed up with the ridiculous selection that goes on in our club. The fact that Teakle is playing in our AFL side is nothing short of crazy.



What is he doing that's not professional? He's still playing well in the SANFL. His body language isn't great but he's still easily the best ruckman at the club.
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You literally mentioned it
Have a professional body language

Not have body language that random punters on the interwebz can pick up as checked out
 
Long live PAFC said:
Well this is a fun thread….

I think we can all agree that Brynn is having a crack. The guys seem to like him and Carr has stated that he is his preferred option. He has holes in his game and is very raw. He seems to be getting better and getting some confidence. But his opponent is also getting BOG level stats.

Seems he has been thrown to the wolves somewhat by the club. But they are backing him in. Maybe they should have played him as lead ruck in the preseason and SANFL or maybe they were hoping Lycett would be ok and that Teakle could be our tall KPD, like Sav at Geelong or McEvoy at the Hawks. Or maybe they were hoping to build other skills and build his core strength?


The alternative is Lycett, who seems to be performing no better than Teakle. Or maybe we could try Visentini, another raw ruck. Or Hayes, who the club seems to have overlooked - doesn’t matter why now, it’s simply the case. Or we try some combo of Dixon, Lord, Marshall and Finlayson?

So we can continue the cyclical arguments or accept it and back the kid in.
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Visentini can actually ruck and plays okay up forward. Lord/Visentini/Dixon/Finlayson Quadrangle of Doom. I am not a crackpot.
 
Macca19 said:
Cain Acklands a pretty fair comparison
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yeah man heard ya the first time. I am not too upset about the whole idea whilst we are winning and can allow him to get experience. Definitely happy Lycett is out. I would love to see Dante get a game though to see what he can do even if he is tired at half time.
 
philthy05 said:
This logic doesn’t make sense

Larkey kicked 4 goals, the most on the ground today… but Roos lost.

Is kicking goals overrated?

Rucks aren’t overrated, port were just that much better than a totally shithouse north that a rucks dominance can’t single handedly win north the game.

Also, yeah Gawn and Grundy are going to spank us.

I don’t see how the logical thing is to abandon playing a competitive ruck.

Oliver will get bulk clearances… the solution isn’t to play hugh Jackson.


I’m resigned to us playing teakle. We’re in a cluster* of our own making and we’re going to ride it to the inevitable conclusion, where we get told that we did our best and someone had to lose on the road to pissing away some of the best talent we’ve had on our list in the afl era.
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I’m going to go out on a bit of a limb and state Macca didn’t strictly mean ruckmen are redundant but tap ruckmen are redundant.

Unless you have prodigious tap freaks like Nic Nat or Ryder, 50 bog standard HOs means shit these days - even if a dozen of them were to advantage.

The modern game is so set up on post clearance possession that whoever wins first touch from contest isn’t that big a deal.

However, while I’m not so concerned around Teakle getting spanked in HOs, I’m very concerned with how he lets his opponent rack up clearances like nobodies business. He badly needs to work on tap contest follow up
 
philthy05 said:
This logic doesn’t make sense

Larkey kicked 4 goals, the most on the ground today… but Roos lost.

Is kicking goals overrated?

Rucks aren’t overrated, port were just that much better than a totally shithouse north that a rucks dominance can’t single handedly win north the game.

Also, yeah Gawn and Grundy are going to spank us.

I don’t see how the logical thing is to abandon playing a competitive ruck.

Oliver will get bulk clearances… the solution isn’t to play hugh Jackson.


I’m resigned to us playing teakle. We’re in a cluster* of our own making and we’re going to ride it to the inevitable conclusion, where we get told that we did our best and someone had to lose on the road to pissing away some of the best talent we’ve had on our list in the afl era.
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Kicking goals literally is how you win the game.

Goldstein winning 55 hitouts yet Port winning the centre clearances 18 to 5 says that, despite everyone blowing smoke up Goldsteins ring for amazing supercoach points, his ruck dominance had zero effect on the game. Zero. No uplift in clearances. No uplift in inside 50s. Might have had 19 hitouts to advantage, but must have had 30 hitouts to disadvantage to lose the clearances from there. That is why raw hitout stats mean **** all. But good on him for getting lots of supercoach points though.

Now that might all come crashing down this week as we play a 7 game cardboard cutout against two rucks with 8 AAs and 4 BnFs between them, and the two best centre square midfielders in the competition as well, but it doesnt matter which 7 game ruck we pick there this week, it will likely be ugly.

What we have shown is we can play to a losing ruck, still break even in clearances and win the game. Thats important. As Teakle gets better (hopefully), this should improve too
 

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Macca19 said:
I haven't even seen todays game yet, nor do I particularly rate Teakle above being a battler who's only a place holder. I just find the assasination of a young bloke having a crack, thrown in when he really shouldn't have been, disgusting.
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Maybe watch the game. He's probably a good bloke, but he's not an AFL standard ruckman. Play him in the only position he has a chance of making it in AFL in (Forward/ ruck chopout) then give him a chance when he earns it through SANFL performance. He conceded 56 hitouts, 11 clearances, 24 touches on his opponent and gave away 5 free kicks.

Finlayson goes in, pushes Goldstein over, wins a clearance.

Lord goes in out of desperation, double hand pushes some campaigner over and roundhouse punches the ball for a clearance. Hitouts to advantage Goldstien (19) Teakle (3) Logue (2), Lord (1). Teakles hitout win% (21.8%) was miles worse than Logue (50%) and not much better than the few minutes Lord was in the ruck 16.7%.

If Teakle is the best option we have, while still having a tilt at a flag, someone (or someone's) should get sacked. People can say Goldstein is good or whatever but in 300 games the ruckman he's got those sort of hitouts on:

80 vs Lobb (10)/Callan Ward/ Ryan Griffin in 2015
65 vs Lycett (28) in 2016
62 vs Tom Nicholls (20), Keegan Brooksby in 2015
61 vs Cam Pederson (18), Tom Mcdonald (5), Watts (5) in 2017
59 vs Tom Nicholls (33), Dixon (7) in 2013
57 vs 14 year old Zaine Cordy (8) and 13 year old Tim English (7) in 2019
56 vs Shaun Mckernan (16) in 2015
56 vs Teakle (17) in 2023

His best recent effort was 53 in 2021 against McInerny.

Last year Hayes shaded him for hitouts 33 v 27, although it was Goldstein's first game back from Injury.

Even though hayes/ Teakle have only played a dozen games between them, they've played the same teams/rucks in those times.
  • Hayes smoked Bailey Williams off the park, Teakle got monstered by him around the ground.
  • Hayes got beaten by Draper/ Essendon Rucks, barely. Teakle got beaten worse.
  • Hayes leveled the contest against Goldstein. Teakle got demolished by him.

Players are putting up career records against Teakle. In 6 games
  • Nankervis - Disposals (2nd), Hitouts (2nd) (1st in hitouts was against Jake Spencer/Jack Watts)
  • Bailey Williams - Disposals (2nd), Hitouts (equal first - with a game against Comben/Hugh Greenwood)
  • Rowan Marshall - Disposals (2nd)
  • Goldstein - Disposals (6th), Hitouts (equal 7th)

He's getting absolutely butchered. Not beaten. Butchered. Noone is stating that he's a shit bloke, or he's not trying, he's just not upto it. We have/ had a serviceable ruckman rotting away in the SANFL in the forward pocket, whose stated weakness is that he doesn't get around the ground while Teakle's opponent is getting 20+ possessions every week. We traded away the epitome of what Hinkley apparently wants (an average ruckman that gets heaps of the ball around the ground). We have a young ruckman who is putting up decent numbers for the 50-60% of ruck time he's getting in the SANFL. We're playing the best KPDs in the comp next week with 3 of our first 4 KPF's injured so playing the 4th in the ruck isn't an option. If we don't pick another ruck, we might as well not turn up.
 
I'm honestly not convinced he isn't the best option we have right now.

I know its a small sample size but we're 4-0 with him in the side, and have beaten two second tier quality sides in St Kilda and Essendon.

Its one of those situations where structurally we need to play a ruck so that we don't rob our forward line of Finlayson and/or Dixon and end up a loser side like in 2022.

He's clearly not at a great level but he's done better than Lycett, and is protecting Dante's development - it possibly does Dante more harm than good to get thrown in now. Hayes just isn't getting selected no matter how much people on here complain about it. So it leaves us with really only Teakle as an option, no matter how well it means opposition rucks are going.

I think if we don't start to see improvement then we just have to somehow find a miracle of an experienced, ready-to-go ruckman in the mid-season draft. We could legitimately be in a flag window next year so we need a solution before then.
 
EskimoPAFC said:
. Hayes just isn't getting selected no matter how much people on here complain about it.
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Why though?

It's like going to the doctor and complaining of a pain in the groin because you keep hitting yourself in the dick, then when the obvious is suggested, dismissing it out of hand.

Doctor: "stop hitting yourself in the groin and the pain will stop"

Poorts: "yeah nah, that's not an option have ya got anything else?" Punches self in crotch
 
sobrave said:
Why though?

It's like going to the doctor and complaining of a pain in the groin because you keep hitting yourself in the dick, then when the obvious is suggested, dismissing it out of hand.

Doctor: "stop hitting yourself in the groin and the pain will stop"

Poorts: "yeah nah, that's not an option have ya got anything else?" Punches self in crotch
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Its like this except the hand is a prosthetic that's being remotely controlled by the coaching group. At some point you have to accept its just gonna hit you in the nuts and stick a box in.
 
Macca19 said:
Kicking goals literally is how you win the game.

Goldstein winning 55 hitouts yet Port winning the centre clearances 18 to 5 says that, despite everyone blowing smoke up Goldsteins ring for amazing supercoach points, his ruck dominance had zero effect on the game. Zero. No uplift in clearances. No uplift in inside 50s. Might have had 19 hitouts to advantage, but must have had 30 hitouts to disadvantage to lose the clearances from there. That is why raw hitout stats mean * all. But good on him for getting lots of supercoach points though.

Now that might all come crashing down this week as we play a 7 game cardboard cutout against two rucks with 8 AAs and 4 BnFs between them, and the two best centre square midfielders in the competition as well, but it doesnt matter which 7 game ruck we pick there this week, it will likely be ugly.

What we have shown is we can play to a losing ruck, still break even in clearances and win the game. Thats important. As Teakle gets better (hopefully), this should improve too
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Us smacking Roos while Goldstein racks up hitouts doesn’t remotely mean hitouts are meaningless

We smashed them because they’re an abysmal side.

Swap rucks and we win by an even bigger margin

I just don’t buy the “teams win to losing hitouts ergo hitouts don’t mean anything hooha” it’s ****ing bullshit.

Can you win a game while losing the hitouts? Yes.

Can you win a game while your fullback gets beaten?
Can you win a game where your kf gets beaten?

Yes. You can.

There’s 18 players on the field.


that doesn’t mean hitouts aren’t worth anything.

I’m a game that measures pressure acts, ie almost actually doing something but not doing something, and saying that little things matter why the hell would you not want every advantage you can get?

Having a good ruck who can control the hitouts is an advantage.
 
If we are going to persist with Teakle as a ruckman into the longer term future we need to hand him over to an NRL weights coach for a summer.
 
philthy05 said:
Us smacking Roos while Goldstein racks up hitouts doesn’t remotely mean hitouts are meaningless

We smashed them because they’re an abysmal side.

Swap rucks and we win by an even bigger margin

I just don’t buy the “teams win to losing hitouts ergo hitouts don’t mean anything hooha” it’s ******* bullshit.

Can you win a game while losing the hitouts? Yes.

Can you win a game while your fullback gets beaten?
Can you win a game where your kf gets beaten?

Yes. You can.

There’s 18 players on the field.


that doesn’t mean hitouts aren’t worth anything.

I’m a game that measures pressure acts, ie almost actually doing something but not doing something, and saying that little things matter why the hell would you not want every advantage you can get?

Having a good ruck who can control the hitouts is an advantage.
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This is the week where we will find out about hitouts and hoitouts to advantage. We thought the essendon mauling was bad in the 1st qu, the dees mids are next level.
 

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