Buddy "incoherent" at Grand Prix.

[Camo93]

So Norfy, you think that because there hasn't been a publicized hanging and torture of Buddy, he isn't going to get reprimanded for his bad choices?

 

[Mitchell Madness]

I'm still trying to figure out why people believe this

It would have been all over the papers (with pictures) if true

It's not as though there was some magic teleporter that could send him from the marquee back home, he would have been in public, and he's the most recognisable face in our game, and close to it in australian sport

 

[go hawks!!!]

If Buddy was 'out of sorts' as the pig Caroline Wilson says, she is implying:
1. He was lost and needed directions
2. off his **** on something other than alcohol

Assuming that Vlad told him he was in the right place (1) does not apply. However, if it is implied that Budwah was under the influence, then if Vlad suspected that, and if he had an ounce of integrity, he would call in ASADA to do a random drug test ASAP to quell any doubts. Wait a minute, the AFL and its CEO have zero integrity so I call this story bullshit.

If the pig was a good journalist, she would go out on a limb and say budwah was off his ****. Again, we all know Caro has a 50% strike rate with her stories so bullshit.

Go Buddy and Go hawks....

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Are you happy for every player on our list to snort whatever they like on a regular basis, or should the rule only apply to Buddy?

Treating certain players differently because they happen to be extremely talented opens up a huge can of worms. Nor in most cases does it do the player given the special treatment any favors either for that matter. Carlton turned a blind eye to Fevola's behavior plenty of times, no doubt hoping he'd grow out of it... in the end he not only destroyed his own career but damaged the club's reputation in the process.

Buddy has been treated no differently, for all we know. Our players muck up plenty of times without it making the press, or without sanction. Franklin's just not been sent to the gallows as some may like.

He likes to party, we all know that. As long as he can stay on the right side of the law, do the right thing on the track and keep running out for Hawthorn each week, his vices are his own to battle.

 

[toomanysquibs]

Caro has not clearly laid her position out, and is very unlikely to do so. You may have a different view of it, and if so, I'd encourage you to express it.

She has clearly outlined her agenda by virtue of that wording. She had a lot of options on the table, and chose the one that implicated drug usage. That's very clear, even to you.

And she is attacking Buddy because she wants to knock him. She hasn't gotten traction on anything that casts a dim light on Buddy the footballer, so she's gone after his character (drug user). Hence the ad hominem line.

Not to mention the fact that her argument is presumably that he's unprofessional for being incoherent in public. That is a straw man argument, to disguise her true intention which was to label or accuse him of being a drug user, without stating it per se.

Once more = check your dictionary before you get all wordy, the term is most associated with attacking the individual rather than the argument. Caro says Buddy is unprofessional, then infers he is a drug user to prove that point.

You get that right?

 

[GoldenWA]

As someone else mentioned, the most compelling part of the article is Kennets quote.

I tend to agree, his money is being syphoned away by his parents and he's not engage in any sort of education.

 

[Hawka_de_Haven]

I just wish she had the moral courage to say exactly what she was implying. It's very deliberate her use of the word "incoherent"

I have been a longtime supporter of female opinion in the game, its good to bring in other perspective. Caro however does not bother with the essence of the game but prefers to fill newspapers with the kind of tripe she believes will get people reading. Should the incident have merited sanctions, Buddy would have been dealt with accordingly. Noone is running from the fact that Buddy is a great player with an interest in having a good time. There is no crime here just pathetic journalsim. Will Caro start writing about Martin in the next couple of years, I doubt it, he wears different colours to brown and gold.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

I have been a longtime supporter of female opinion in the game, its good to bring in other perspective. Caro however does not bother with the essence of the game but prefers to fill newspapers with the kind of tripe she believes will get people reading. Should the incident have merited sanctions, Buddy would have been dealt with accordingly. Noone is running from the fact that Buddy is a great player with an interest in having a good time. There is no crime here just pathetic journalsim. Will Caro start writing about Martin in the next couple of years, I doubt it, he wears different colours to brown and gold.

Rather, he wears yellow & black

Note, she hated cousins until he wound up at the tigers

 

[hawk65]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...to-strike-deal-with-asada-20130330-2h0dx.html
Bottom part of article is of relevance

"I had no cause to report Buddy Franklin to Brett Clothier because Buddy Franklin looked like he was having a good time and he was behaving quite well," the AFL boss said.
"He looked like he might have had a few drinks, but he wasn't doing anything untoward that I saw"

 

[Rocket72]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...to-strike-deal-with-asada-20130330-2h0dx.html

Bottom part of article is of relevance


To me the salient point is the dates involved. This article is based on outdated information - the time this article was relevant (if indeed this was ever a story) was weeks ago. Why was the article released a few days before the Hawks first game? I don't think you have to put too much thought into the answer.... ;-)

 

[toomanysquibs]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...to-strike-deal-with-asada-20130330-2h0dx.html
"He looked like he might have had a few drinks, but he wasn't doing anything untoward that I saw"

If Wilson had written that, there wouldn't have been a story for her. So she didn't.

To the muppets in this thread bagging their own star player with such determination, might be time to get a clue.

 

[The Cleaner]

Perhaps the most obvious issue of all is being overlooked here.

Are you more likely to be "incoherent" after excessive drinking, or after taking party drugs?

Seems a no-brainer to me. Party drugs affect the user in a number of ways but none of them are typically associated with incoherency. The only times I've ever been considered incoherent were after long sessions of drinking alcohol. As you would while enjoying blue ribbon corporate hospitality during a day-long sporting event . This still raises some concern about Buddy's management, but nothing like the moral panic Caro might be trying to engender.

If Caro was trying to suggest that Buddy was on something other than alcohol that day by using the term "incoherent", it's really showcased her naivety in these matters.

 

[toomanysquibs]

If Caro was trying to suggest that Buddy was on something other than alcohol that day by using the term "incoherent", it's really showcased her naivety in these matters.

It's more sinister than naivety though, she chose to leave the ambiguity in there - and it even sucked in our own supporters. People can be incoherent on drugs as well, but as most of us know it's just a lot more likely to happen with drinking.

 

[Brown n Gold]

Caro is a Karmichael.. end of story

 

[MistyAvalon]

not everyone is a good media performer like Hodgey.... I didn't see the event so won't slag him

 

[macdaddio]

I dont really pay much attention to media reports regarding Buddy, but it does seem though that he is becoming not only too big for him self but too big for Hawthorn.
His Attitude needs some adjustment and Clarko and his mates can't keep protecting him as they have done so since he arrived at the Club.

 

[kimbopen]

I just wish she had the moral courage to say exactly what she was implying. It's very deliberate her use of the word "incoherent"

"Caroline Wilson" and "moral courage" are a gross contradiction in terms!

 

[badgrill]

I dont really pay much attention to media reports regarding Buddy, but it does seem though that he is becoming not only too big for him self but too big for Hawthorn.
His Attitude needs some adjustment and Clarko and his mates can't keep protecting him as they have done so since he arrived at the Club.

My stepdaughter's best friend is Dusty Martin's cousin, and she was staying over one night, got up to use the loo & saw Buddy & Martin playing FIFA on the couch.

Was almost certainly nothing sinister going on, but just the fact my immediate thought was "Oh dear that sounds dodgy" pissed me off. That I felt annoyed he was hanging out with Martin about something thats absolutely none of my business, and 10 years ago I wouldna even cared one bit about.

But times have changed and idiots like Wilson are pretty much to blame.

 

[IBleedBrownNGold]

Death by association. Poor kid.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Wow, Buddy had a few drinks at the Grand Prix. Is there no end to the horror????!!!!!

 

[lickmerocks]

I reckon he must b as dumb as a post if the alleged rumours are true about his after dark activities. Surely nobody could be that dumb with the media attention that follows him could they??? I just don't believe that somebody could possibly be that stupid!!!

 

[Davo23]

The worst thing about Caroline "Gossip Girl" Wilson peddling her wares is that she targets certain people/organisations which suit her current agenda.

Buddy getting some bad press for not signing a contract?
Well, lets do a spurious article full of rumour, scuttlebutt and non-sequiturs.

She's as bad as the "journalists" working for Murdoch's worst rags in England


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[The Cleaner]

It's more sinister than naivety though, she chose to leave the ambiguity in there - and it even sucked in our own supporters. People can be incoherent on drugs as well, but as most of us know it's just a lot more likely to happen with drinking.

The naivety I'm talking about isn't over her inclusion of the term "incoherent". Agreed, that was most certainly by design.

It's over her conceit that the term "incoherent" is primarily associated with illicit drug use. This may deceive those with lesser knowledge in these areas, but to the rest of us she just looks unprofessional, to the verge of libellous. Especially when others present commented that he 'looked like he'd had a few too many', or words to that effect.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

FWIW (not much I'm sure!) but Andy D's exact words on an SEN interview were "Buddy had had a few drinks or whatever he'd had", which kind of clanged for me.

I'm firmly with Echols on this though. Couldn't give a tinkers cuss whatever he chooses to use to enjoy himself. And please believe me I'm not insinuating anything here because the most likely thing to me is he was pissed as a sailor

 

[grizzlym]

I'm a tad incoherent after today's game.