Building Matty's support Staff

[Relativity]

As time goes by it more obvious to me that recruiting staff and development coaches are more important than line coaches who appear to simply analyse stats.

I'm inclined to agree. Laidley coached our players in tackeling and it had an instant impact. Skills coaching would seem more important to our squad. Maybe a specialist kicking coach or a "handball forwards" coach.

 

[Malibu#27]

FWIW Rowe claims that Primus is looking at specialist function coaches, like stoppage coach, defensive pressure coach (that's pressure all over the ground), attacking coach (attacking options from anywhere on the field), etc. He could of course be making the whole thing up.

if this was the case it would seem to mirror pretty closely the model that hocking talks about - based on the phases of the game (what to do when the opposition has the ball, when you have the ball, when your team mate has the ball etc) ....... It certainly wouldn't suprise me to see hocking in the coaches box, so based on other rumours perhaps hocking as main assistant with cripps (attack 1 - when you have ball), nicks (defence), and campo (team mate has ball), perhaps with healy back in junior development.

(well that's my guess at how it will pan)

 

[Steve Dore]

On paper, easily the worst coaching staff out of every club?

Could you please explain the methodology you use to assess a clubs coaching staff "on paper".

 

[Ford Fairlane]

If Roos can support Ken Hinkley (even Lyon in the past few years), can he provide the same service to Primus?

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''I've told Kenny I will help him where need be,'' said Roos, who insisted the agreement would not interfere with his role as frontman for the Swans' new Sydney-based academy.

''It's something I was invited to do with the coaches' association, which is an organisation I'm passionate about and I believe I can offer a friendly ear.

''Any role I take on will be at arm's length from Sydney, at arm's length from Geelong.

''I certainly won't be getting involved in the day-to-day coaching but I believe I can lend a hand where a talented rookie coach is concerned.''

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[FishingRick04]

Could you please explain the methodology you use to assess a clubs coaching staff "on paper".

Why do they have to? Perhaps it's just their observation? or their gut feeling. You may disagree but they can have an opinion without justification. I would suggest our last three seasons is enough to sort of push the argument closely that our has been one of the most under performing coaching boxes. Especially when alot of people here think we have the talent to make finals, I myself are one of those.

 

[simba_]

I think the AFL has gone nuts with its Assistant Coach obsession.

this, only last season Port had something 'unique' and 'interesting' going with Laidley coming in fresh from a Senior job whilst Collingwood set up their 'ground breaking succession plan' and now every club thinks they need a coach to coach the coaches coaching the coaches coaches. on paper I see Primus and Buddha getting stuck right into a bunch of stupidly talented kids, don't you? That alone is a great blend of our own grown Senior coach and an injection of some of the toughest Victorian blood there has been.. they don't need a big name to make them want to play, we'll make our own big names.

 

[Phhht]

...... they don't need a big name to make them want to play, we'll make our own big names.

Yeah, I like very much!

 

[Steve Dore]

Why do they have to? Perhaps it's just their observation? or their gut feeling. .....

They don't have to. I am not forcing anyone to do anything here.

I find it very difficult to judge the performance of coaching panels as a whole. While it is not too difficult to attribute positives and negatives to a head coach the performance of assistant coaches is, in my opinion, much more difficult. I am interested in how others measure this performance for my own education.

While I personally believe gut feeling has no place in any logical discussion, if that is how Shaucob_Burjan has assessed all of the AFL coaching panels on paper then they can simply reply as such.

.... You may disagree ...

Where did I say I disagree?

Is it just your opinion without justification that I disagree?

.... they can have an opinion without justification. ...

Surely an opinion is based on some reason. If a person does not have a reason for an opinion then is it their opinion at all or are they just repeating what they have been told by others?

.... I would suggest our last three seasons is enough to sort of push the argument closely that our has been one of the most under performing coaching boxes. ...

You can suggest that but is the under performance in the coaches box over the last three seasons that your perceive the fault of the head coach, who has now departed, the assistant coaches, the Football Operations Manager or all of the above?

 

[FishingRick04]

You can suggest that but is the under performance in the coaches box over the last three seasons that your perceive the fault of the head coach, who has now departed, the assistant coaches, the Football Operations Manager or all of the above?

Ignoring the other stuff it's a good comment we'll never be able to answer as Choco has left and now alot of the support staff under him have gone too, which IMO is a good thing.

You would have to think it's a culmination of all of the above though? I would. I remember games, Brisbane twice being an example where we were clearly outcoached and lacked idea's from the box and there has been numourous others.

If we go on name star power, we would have been close to the bottom, this year basing it on names alone it may not be great but who knows. sometimes untired players/coaches can do marvelous things, like Nicks for example.

I guess all we can ask is that Matty gets access to the People he wants.

Look at Essendon for example, on paper that is becoming a star studded off field coaching group, with the whose who of footy, Jimmy obviously does something right lol

 

[Steve Dore]

Ignoring the other stuff it's a good comment we'll never be able to answer as Choco has left and now alot of the support staff under him have gone too, which IMO is a good thing.

You would have to think it's a culmination of all of the above though? I would. I remember games, Brisbane twice being an example where we were clearly outcoached and lacked idea's from the box and there has been numourous others.

If we go on name star power, we would have been close to the bottom, this year basing it on names alone it may not be great but who knows. sometimes untired players/coaches can do marvelous things, like Nicks for example.

I guess all we can ask is that Matty gets access to the People he wants.

Look at Essendon for example, on paper that is becoming a star studded off field coaching group, with the whose who of footy, Jimmy obviously does something right lol

I can't disagree with most of that. ....... No, you're not dreaming.

It will be interesting to see how Hird goes with Essendon.

Brisbane probably thought they had hit gold when Matthews walked and they pulled Voss away from an assistant's role at West Coast before he even started. Three times premiership captain and Brownlow Medallist is pretty good star power. Even with the addition of super forward Fevola were Brisbane 2010 under Voss (7-0-15) better than Brisbane 2009 under Matthews (13-1-8)?

On raw statistics you'd have to say no.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I can't disagree with most of that. ....... No, you're not dreaming.

It will be interesting to see how Hird goes with Essendon.

Brisbane probably thought they had hit gold when Matthews walked and they pulled Voss away from an assistant's role at West Coast before he even started. Three times premiership captain and Brownlow Medallist is pretty good star power. Even with the addition of super forward Fevola were Brisbane 2010 under Voss (7-0-15) better than Brisbane 2009 under Matthews (13-1-8)?

On raw statistics you'd have to say no.

Your problem with that comparison there wharfie is Voss was coach in 2009, not Matthews.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

10 news reported that Camporeale has put his hand up for the vacant assistant coaching job at the crows, so maybe he's not the walk-up start for a Port job the rumour-mongers are claiming?

 

[Natman]

Why do they have to? Perhaps it's just their observation? or their gut feeling. You may disagree but they can have an opinion without justification. I would suggest our last three seasons is enough to sort of push the argument closely that our has been one of the most under performing coaching boxes. Especially when alot of people here think we have the talent to make finals, I myself are one of those.

Well the bloody assessment is made on a basically brand new coaching panel that hasn't a game yet - it's still our own supporters kicking us in the guts without any justification, logic or basic common sense - pissed off - hell yeah.

 

[Powersurj]

Healy announced on channel 7 tonight, so Healy and Nicks so far ....

 

[Ford Fairlane]

... and probably Hocking, that would leave the junior development position to be filled.

 

[Quadzilla]

Healy announced on channel 7 tonight, so Healy and Nicks so far ....

hmmmm? Healy sacked by North ADELAIDE - i know he was our development guy before he went there? what is his credentials that he would be a godd assistant now? ... or will he go back to development role now that Buddha is an assistant?

 

[FishingRick04]

Well the bloody assessment is made on a basically brand new coaching panel that hasn't a game yet - it's still our own supporters kicking us in the guts without any justification, logic or basic common sense - pissed off - hell yeah.

I thought they were talking about previous years?

but let's be honest a Primus, Hocking, Nicks, Healey coaching panel isn't a whose who of coaching appointments is it. Don't get me wrong they could Gel and go down as one fo the greats, but on paper and based on names alone it doesn't look that great does it.

But I will wait until I pass judgement until rnd 22 next season

 

[Steve Dore]

Your problem with that comparison there wharfie is Voss was coach in 2009, not Matthews.

Doh, senior moment

So Vossy's first season was an improvement on Matthew's last season (10-0-12) but in 2010 his star power faded.

..... let's be honest a Primus, Hocking, Nicks, Healey coaching panel isn't a whose who of coaching appointments is it. Don't get me wrong they could Gel and go down as one fo the greats, but on paper and based on names alone it doesn't look that great does it. ...

Wouldn't it be Primus, Cripps, Nicks, and Healy?

None of them except of Cripps have extensive, if any, experience in their new roles if that is what you are basing your assessment on.

If Nicks and Healy are replacing Primus and Kingsley as assistants and Cripps is supposedly staying on is Hocking going to be an additional assistant coach for 2011 or is he staying as a development coach?

Does any one know what Matthew Nicks has been up to since he retired as a player?

..... But I will wait until I pass judgement until rnd 22 next season

As should we all.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Doh, senior moment

So Vossy's first season was an improvement on Matthew's last season (10-0-12) but in 2010 his star power faded.

He metamorphosed from Michael Voss to Crazy Vossy.

 

[Portia]

It was mostly that all of Lethal's assistants were still around to cover the gaps in Vossy's first year, whereas last year Vossy had complete control.

 

[bringbackbucky]

Cripps fwd, Hocking midfield and Camporeale back.

Healy and Nicks as development coaches.

Seems a good mix. Glad to get Buddha into the thick of it...

 

[Spadge]

Cripps fwd, Hocking midfield and Camporeale back.

Camporeale has put his hand up for the Crows assistant job.... im assuming he didnt make the cut with us

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Cripps fwd, Hocking midfield and Camporeale back.

Healy and Nicks as development coaches.

Seems a good mix. Glad to get Buddha into the thick of it...

Says who??? FFS how many games did Camporeale play in the backlines?

Nicks should be our defence coach in that lot as he played his footy between wing, half back flank and back pocket. At his best he was the precursor to Kennelly, Malceski and Shaw playing that attacking role off half back for the Swans. Having been coached by Eade and then Roos he would have learnt more than Campo about defence.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Channel 9 reported:
Cripps - defense
Hocking - midfield
Campo - forwards

Healy and Nicks development.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Channel 9 reported:
Cripps - defense
Hocking - midfield
Campo - forwards

Healy and Nicks development.

Well that's a better set up.